***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[sneeker]

There has always been a competition for what defines an American. Your view certainly has its adherents. But from the start there was a strain of nativism that favored pre-modern concepts of ethnic and geographic citizenship. Those Americans that hold this belief would not be outdone by even the Japanese.

What makes the United States unique isn’t the degree to which it’s average citizen embraces the notion of Americanism as a belief rather than a birthright. What makes it unique is the fact that the population that believes this is as large as it is.

I wouldn't just say belief but sense of entitlement which isn't factual. the modern day american population is comprised of multiple races but some belief that being ethnically caucasian is supposed to be american. but that is false, if we are really about to say who are the "true americans" by birthright, they are the ones that have been sent to the reservations. those idiots that call themselves as american patriots that scream their lungs out chanting, "USA, USA" are nothing more than clueless bigots.

 

[sneeker]

when you are worried about the turnout number of crowds, you know it's a failure.

 

[frink85]

ah GOP America where you can blatantly break federal discrimination law and be deified for it. I need an Muslim student, a Buddhist student, and a Church of Satan student to join in on the prayer circle.

 

[executive76]

 

[gry60]

There has always been a competition for what defines an American. Your view certainly has its adherents. But from the start there was a strain of nativism that favored pre-modern concepts of ethnic and geographic citizenship. Those Americans that hold this belief would not be outdone by even the Japanese.

What makes the United States unique isn’t the degree to which it’s average citizen embraces the notion of Americanism as a belief rather than a birthright. What makes it unique is the fact that the population that believes this is as large as it is.

Good point.

I'd argue that the nativist view of American citizenship will always be accepted by a minority because the definition of who's American has always changed depending on the whim of the loudest nativists. At various points throughout the history of America, Catholics, Jews, non-whites, non-anglo-saxon whites, atheists, naturalized people, etc... have been considered unamerican. Any movement formed around nativism is bound to fracture after enough rounds of purity testing.

Another point of weakness is the geographic citizenship argument. If you're not native American, your story starts outside of America. None of us can make a claim to any piece of this country and say "this was the land of my ancestors." We still define ourselves as a country of immigrants, and even the nativists are forced to acknowledge that (e.g, when they only admit to wanting legal immigration or immigration from certain parts of the world).

 

[TooOlfForThisIsh]

if we are really about to say who are the "true americans" by birthright, they are the ones that have been sent to the reservations.

Another point of weakness is the geographic citizenship argument. If you're not native American, your story starts outside of America.

The relationship of whitened vis a vis blackness and its importance to justifying lifetime, inherited, Chantal slavery is, I think, very well understood by this crowd.

But whiteness had many uses and not the least among them was simultaneously excluding any other foreign peoples from a claim on the United States and also justifying the mistreatment of the people who were already here.

Texts from the times of aggressive westward expansion are replete with the notion that the white man (at that time Anglo-Scottish and occasionally German - notably not French or Spanish) was the pre-destined conqueror of the continent. There are lame justifications such as efficient use of the land or bringing “civilization” but then, as now, the reason followed the conclusion. Any argument that supported the notion of that white men were true Americans was taken as principle no matter how unprincipled it might be.

So the white myth has already anticipated and foundation ally rejects any notion of birthright from Native Americans.

 

[IATT]

aepps20

dwalk31

 

[Belgium]

Very stable genius
What could go wrong?
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...plifying-false-fringe-qanon-conspiracy-theory

 

[sneeker]

that monster needs to be prosecuted.

 

[IATT]

 

[gry60]

The relationship of whitened vis a vis blackness and its importance to justifying lifetime, inherited, Chantal slavery is, I think, very well understood by this crowd.

But whiteness had many uses and not the least among them was simultaneously excluding any other foreign peoples from a claim on the United States and also justifying the mistreatment of the people who were already here.

Texts from the times of aggressive westward expansion are replete with the notion that the white man (at that time Anglo-Scottish and occasionally German - notably not French or Spanish) was the pre-destined conqueror of the continent. There are lame justifications such as efficient use of the land or bringing “civilization” but then, as now, the reason followed the conclusion. Any argument that supported the notion of that white men were true Americans was taken as principle no matter how unprincipled it might be.

So the white myth has already anticipated and foundation ally rejects any notion of birthright from Native Americans.

I'm aware of the relationship they want to establish between whiteness and citizenship. What I'm saying is that there are too many factors that nativists can't control that go against the validity of that relationship, which is why they will forever remain the minority.

They can pass the anti-CRT laws, they can force schools to teach the Daughters of the Confederacy's version of the Civil War, they can deny the existence of gay people, they can try and push women back in the kitchens, they can ban reproductive care, and they can impose Christianity and English as the religion and language of the land; as long as they can't rewrite or destroy documents that are saved in the Library of Congress and the National Archives, as long as they can't manipulate every single inch of American soil to hide the presence of earlier civilizations, as long as they're not willing to commit genocide against all the folks who don't fit in their version of American citizen, they are wasting their time.

 

[gry60]

 

[aepps20]

aepps20

dwalk31

Delk and me when we saw this video.

 

[IATT]

 

[IATT]

 

[aepps20]

When Abbott and Fake Trump send people to our states we will take them in and make them feel like people. This will backfire like it always does because it is evil.

 

[Based Jesus]

DOJ needs to take a hard look at what Abbott and DeSantis are up to and find anything in the book they can throw at them for this stunt

 

[aepps20]

DOJ needs to get involved but hopefully there are ways to cut federal funding to these states.

 

[Mark Antony]

Is a white power structure that important to people that they keep voting in these awful leaders who do nothing for them? What a bizarre existence.

 

[Belgium]

Is a white power structure that important to people that they keep voting in these awful leaders who do nothing for them? What a bizarre existence.

A lot of white people are more than willing to be pissed on by their leaders, as long as they can point down at non-white and/or LGBT people.

 

[AEA18]

A lot of white people are more than willing to be pissed on by their leaders, as long as they can point down at non-white and/or LGBT people.

Yep. Own the libs by owning themselves first.

 

[IATT]

 

[gry60]

What's interesting about the pastor's comment is that Jews have a better understanding of what the Bible is supposed to say than lots of Christian denominations. After all, they can read some of the earliest transcriptions of the old testament.

 

[dacomeup]

Is a white power structure that important to people that they keep voting in these awful leaders who do nothing for them? What a bizarre existence.

Yes . Says western history for hundreds of years now

 

[aepps20]

Is a white power structure that important to people that they keep voting in these awful leaders who do nothing for them? What a bizarre existence.

LBJ put it best.

“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”