***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[gry60]

I hate people, man. I am far from a violent person but I would have to hit dude with the Draymond if he said this to me in person. The twisted logic people use to discount programs and policies that benefit minorities is amazing. If they used that much energy to help coming up with solutions, the problems probably wouldn't exist in the first place

The mistake people who favor AA make is to believe that the people who oppose AA want to fix things.

The opponents believe that they would have gotten into those schools if it weren't for underserving minorities, and there is no amount of academic excellence these minorities could demonstrate that will satisfy them.

It's zero-sum ideology all the way to the bottom.

Study finds 43 percent of Harvard's white students are legacy, athletes, related to donors or staff

The number drops dramatically for black, Latino and Asian American students with less than 16 percent each coming from those categories, the study said.

www.nbcnews.com

Who needs nobility titles when we have ivy league degrees, especially if the ability to obtain them is inherited or bought?

 

[biggie62]

Study finds 43 percent of Harvard's white students are legacy, athletes, related to donors or staff

The number drops dramatically for black, Latino and Asian American students with less than 16 percent each coming from those categories, the study said.

www.nbcnews.com

Nothing new. My HS did the same thing. We had a few questionable people in my class who didn’t deserve to be there but got in because their father or grandfather were grads. They coasted on mid to high 70s grades and then somehow got into decent schools where their family also graduated after.

I love how they talk about everything but ignore the nepotism of higher education and later more so in your career field.

 

[Mark Antony]

But bootstraps.

 

[kdawg]

What the supreme court has become is a shame.

 

[TooOlfForThisIsh]

Nothing new. My HS did the same thing. We had a few questionable people in my class who didn’t deserve to be there but got in because their father or grandfather were grads. They coasted on mid to high 70s grades and then somehow got into decent schools where their family also graduated after.

I love how they talk about everything but ignore the nepotism of higher education and later more so in your career field.

It’s because, deep down, they view that kind of nepotism as being fair and reasonable. Our entire approach to inheritance and raising children is designed to punish the son for the “sins” of the father. Everyone wants to believe that their success was achieved in a meritocratic society, but then they turn around and try to confer every advantage they can for their own children.

I’m no different. I will do what it takes to make sure my son has access to the best education and opportunities we can give him. And when he’s starting his adulthood, I’d like to gift him enough financial security that he doesn’t have to make early career decisions with short-run considerations dominating. My great grandfathers were sign painters, orchard workers, and junk men. I’m where I am because of 3 generations of sacrifice to claw out social capital. It’s been slow and marked with a history of unfair and racist compensation for our effort. I’m sure a lot of people here have a similar story. I’ll do what I can to preserve opportunity for other, but I’ll be d….. by dozens of people that delivered me here if I let my son be the first to slide back.

 

[TooOlfForThisIsh]

What the supreme court has become is a shame.

And you just know this clown is going to be crying about how people view his sham collective as a politicized arm of the GOP. His legacy seems to matter to him and I’m glad it will be completely trash for generations.

 

[Belgium]

Over here, anyone can go to any college/university. Doesn't matter if you graduated highschool with a 51% average, you can still study medicine at our most esteemed university.
Tuition is around €900-1000 a year but can be lowered to about €150 if you qualify for a scholarship, which is based on financials rather than grades.

This means everyone has the same opportunity if you have the finances, though it also means the passing rates for college/university students are abysmal.
For highschool students who graduated in C levels (which is specializing in manual labor like farming, hairdressing, ... with minimal theoretical classes), the passing rate for those who attempt university is around 3%.
So you can argue that quite a bit of money goes down the drain due to students who aren't anywhere near equipped to succeed in university still qualifying for scholarships and grants.

Doesn't bother me though, I think the idea of affording the opportunity to as many people as possible is worth the abysmal passing rates and waste of scholarships and grants.

 

[IATT]

 

[kdawg]

Over here, anyone can go to any college/university. Doesn't matter if you graduated highschool with a 51% average, you can still study medicine at our most esteemed university.
Tuition is around €900-1000 a year but can be lowered to about €150 if you qualify for a scholarship, which is based on financials rather than grades.

This means everyone has the same opportunity if you have the finances, though it also means the passing rates for college/university students are abysmal.
For highschool students who graduated in C levels (which is specializing in manual labor like farming, hairdressing, ... with minimal theoretical classes), the passing rate for those who attempt university is around 3%.
So you can argue that quite a bit of money goes down the drain due to students who aren't anywhere near equipped to succeed in university still qualifying for scholarships and grants.

Doesn't bother me though, I think the idea of affording the opportunity to as many people as possible is worth the abysmal passing rates and waste of scholarships and grants.

It's sort of similar here - but you need to pass exams in high school and meet the entry standards for what you want to study - obviously high for things like medicine and you can get in with just passing grades to study something like geography. We also have a fairly new system where those from deprived backgrounds can get in with slightly lesser standards - because they haven't had the advantages that some others have had.

In Scotland you don't pay anything - your education is fully funded by the government. England imposed charges a few years ago - a sliding scale from a few thousand up to $12k per year for medicine etc. That doesn't fully solve the problem though - you still have to live and those with family who can support them for a few years are still at a huge advantage from that aspect. It's practically impossible to work and study e.g. medicine - there simply aren't the hours to do it.

Paying for the education is part of it (and the US secondary education system appears to be an enormous scam) but providing for people to live while they are studying is another important component.

 

[IATT]

 

[gry60]

 

[Belgium]

Shocker
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/01/giorgia-meloni-galeazzo-bignami-nazi-swastika-armband

Giorgia Meloni appoints minister once pictured wearing Nazi armband​

 

[IATT]

 

[biggie62]

Graham crackers gotta testify in Georgia the Supreme Court said.

 

[biggie62]

I mean we know he has a type and it’s not light or dark skinned, just pasty.

 

[IATT]

 

[IATT]

 

[IATT]

 

[Methodical Management]

This erodes and fundamentally disrespects the foundation of Brown.

"In Sweatt v. Painter, supra, in finding that a segregated law school for Negroes could not provide them equal educational opportunities, this Court relied in large part on "those qualities which are incapable of objective measurement but which make for greatness in a law school." In McLaurin v. Oklahoma State Regents, supra, the Court, in requiring that a Negro admitted to a white graduate school be treated like all other students, again resorted to intangible considerations: ". . . his ability to study, to engage in discussions and exchange views with other students, and, in general, to learn his profession." Such considerations apply with added force to children in grade and high schools. To separate them from others of similar age and qualifications solely because of their race generates a feeling of inferiority as to their status in the community that may affect their hearts and minds in a way unlikely ever to be undone. The effect of this separation on their educational opportunities was well stated by a finding in the Kansas case by a court which nevertheless felt compelled to rule against the Negro plaintiffs:


"Segregation of white and colored children in public schools has a detrimental effect upon the colored children. The impact is greater when it has the sanction of the law; for the policy of separating the races is usually interpreted as denoting the inferiority of the negro group. A sense of inferiority affects the motivation of a child to learn. Segregation with the sanction of law, therefore, has a tendency to [******] the educational and mental development of negro children and to deprive them of some of the benefits they would receive in a racial[ly] integrated school system."


Whatever may have been the extent of psychological knowledge at the time of Plessy v. Ferguson, this finding is amply supported by modern authority. Any language in Plessy v. Ferguson contrary to this finding is rejected.


We conclude that in the field of public education the doctrine of "separate but equal" has no place. Separate educational facilities are inherently unequal. Therefore, we hold that the plaintiffs and others similarly situated for whom the actions have been brought are, by reason of the segregation complained of, deprived of the equal protection of the laws guaranteed by the Fourteenth Amendment."


It is consistent only with the overwhelming conservative desire to cross a bridge built through painstaking collective sacrifice and then destroy it.
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Affirmative action and the opposition to it, perfectly encapsulates the tendency of middle and upper middle class whites to punch down because they find out Ching up to be either impossible or possible but undesirable.

So many spots at elite schools are taken through outright legacy admissions and the de facto legacy/upper class solidarity of admitting “well rounded students” which really means kids whose parents are wealthy enough to send them to expensive private schools, get so so grades and SAT/ACT scores but play sports or do some fake charity work overseas for a few weeks in the summer.

The super wealthy, who are almost all white, take far more spots at elite institutions than well qualified POC ever did even at the peak of affirmative action. Yet, we never see lawsuits challenging the upper class domination of elite admissions but all those petty bourgeois provincial elites love suing elite institutions over the fact that they may have given extremely well qualified, non white applicants, a slight boost in admissions and caused their child to attend a different elite institution that wasn’t their first choice.

Breaking up a system of explicit and implicit legacy admissions is hard; it’s even harder to imagine, let alone create, a world where higher education is not such a crucial gate keeper to social prestige and economic comfort; it’s harder still to imagine a world where there are no elites and everyone is assured an equal share of the bounty that is produced by a modern, ultra productive, high tech economy, and therefore education becomes able to serve its ideal purpose, as a pursuit of truth and of our best selves.

What is easy is punching down and blaming bad outcomes caused by upper class whites on POC and it’s never been easier to convince our rigged courts to agree with your that these last little vestiges of affirmative action constitute a harm and must be abolished as a result.

This is an especially galling contradiction given that legacy admissions policies were originally deployed as anti-diversity measures and have continued to function as such.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/15/legacy-colleges-universities-black-brown/

Legacy Admissions Policies Were Originally Created To Keep Jewish Students Out Of Elite Colleges

A look at why "legacy admissions" policies favoring children of alumni were embraced by elite universities.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[gry60]

 

[Benny Hinn]

 

[IATT]

 

[stuntman mike]

clever. met him at a fundraiser for mazie. i didn’t even know who he was until i saw his name tag.

 

[IATT]

 

[1995]

For anyone wondering, the current year is two thousand and twenty two