***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[heelsandeers]

If Dems somehow run a primary-less, 90 day long general election Presidential campaign again, only a complete idiot would think they would do any better.

Right... I don't think there is some huge take away from this election that Dems are in any worse shape nationally than we already knew

The result had been baked in for months. The incumbent party has never won when the incumbent's approval ratings were as low as Biden's have been for years

In hindsight that's the only metric that really mattered

 

[wavycrocket]

yah I dunno you either have never listened to Rogan or you have never listened to Rush.

if rogan was rush then obviously democrats should never go on Rogan. Rush was literally a republican operative doing an explicitly political show.

its a totally different thing.

Well it being “explicit” is the only difference. It is the same exact function. This is intentional.



And democrats already don’t go on Rogan. He doesn’t invite any on. What democrats other than Bernie Sanders, Fetterman some days ago, and Klye Kulinski four years ago…have been on Rogan the past 6 years?

This is the list of “democrats” or “the left” that go on Rogan:

-Tulsi
-Jimmy Dore
-RFK
-Tim Pool (it was seriously marketed this way)
-Dave Rubin (it was seriously marketed this way)
-Russell Brand (again, it was seriously marketed this way)
-Glenn Greenwald

Those are the kinds of “leftist” you’ll get on Rogan.Either disaffected, post left politicians, IDW cats, or YouTube grifters or Libertarians that all have the same backers as well.

Rogan is a post left-right wing horsehoe theory opp….who funded by right wing billionaires (through Spotify).

 

[a-friend]

Did he give Bernie Sanders a fair shake?

This was an interview I really enjoyed.
I knew nothing of Bernie. I remember being told he was an idiot and xxx. After listening to him talk with Joe I actually got to know him a bit and make up my own mind.

 

[keko jones]

Many Hispanic communities hold deep-rooted values that may not fully align with progressive political platforms. There is a strong adherence to traditional beliefs, particularly around family roles, gender, and religion. For example, many Hispanics are uncomfortable with concepts such as viewing transgender women as women in the same way, and issues like this can create a disconnect with more progressive stances. Additionally, traditional views on masculinity are prevalent among Hispanic men, with machismo being a significant cultural factor.(Probably why latin woman are notnas outraged with Trump as others). Some in these communities may also hold more conservative views on LGBTQ+ issues, which can manifest as discomfort or opposition to topics like gender identity discussions in schools or the shift from “Merry Christmas” to more secular greetings like “Happy Holidays.” The Democratic Party’s stance on these topics may not resonate with these values, which likely contributes to their struggle to capture a larger share of Hispanic voter support.

 

[nonnative]

why do you type this, like nobody understands this? I personally think it’s way more interesting to learn and discuss the money and power players who are influencing these things. The environment is obvious.

You have KILLED the word “cope”. This isn’t what that is.



Joe Rogan is like the modern day Rush Limbaugh. Not because he’s speaking to only white men. I mean it’s obvious that Joe Rogans podcast is not only white men. That is not what I mean when I say he’s like the modern day rush Limbaugh.

I mean it in the he’s talking to the “Everyman type worker”….but explicitly lying and spewing propaganda in a format similar to how Rush does.

You seem to be taking some weird kind of victory laps with these discussions. I see it

Yep and bless the dudes on here that still get dragged into the mud with him.

He's the ultimate online debater. The topic doesnt even really matter as long as he gets to think he's right.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I think we have to figure out ways to get our voters to believe that their vote counts and that voting in every election matters.

tbh i think you have this exactly backwards.

Dems have a high floor,
Dems over perform in midterms, special elections.

Dems voters vote in every election, being more highly educated.


The problem is the ceiling. They are non viable in too many states making the senate incredibly difficult.

they don't control enough state houses which makes gerrymandering tilt against dems.

and the coalition is too narrow to consistently win in high turnout elections.

 

[Cashflow]

 

[TooOlfForThisIsh]

I agree with you. I’ve never been the walk up hill both ways kind of person when discussing politics but I sometimes wonder where many of us would be if the past generations had this same apathy and attitude? Would people that look like you and me still be 3/5s of a person? I sometimes wonder how it must’ve felt for our grandparents and great grandparents to live during segregation and in the Jim Crow south and what it took never to give up and to keep trying to make things better? Many in society just aren’t built to play the long game and unfortunately many of those are who we need.

As far as I can see, there have been two avenues to civil rights, equality, and greater justice.

The first is via democracy: you convince most people to surrender their unfair advantages by appealing to their beliefs.

The second is by activism: you make things so uncomfortable that hegemony essentially sues for peace.

After decades or even centuries of painful, bloody activism, voting seems easy.

But the justice movement went too far. We never sold the majority on institutionalized bias or trans rights. We tried to win through democracy what we hadn’t done through activism. And now we’re experiencing backlash.

I think even people that benefit from a modern view of justice -CRT, etc - don’t really understand it enough to vote on it. They get burning crosses and hoods, but aren’t motivated by micro aggressions.

 

[keko jones]

If Dems somehow run a primary-less, 90 day long general election Presidential campaign again, only a complete idiot would think they would do any better.

Absolutely. It would have been wise for Joe Biden to step down earlier or for the DNC to intervene proactively. A primary should have been held to allow voters the opportunity to choose a candidate they feel most connected to, whether that candidate was Kamala Harris or someone else. This approach could have strengthened Democratic prospects considerably. Unfortunately, waiting until Biden’s departure and then acknowledging his challenges publicly likely eroded confidence. Expecting Harris to step in with only 90 days to restore public trust is an incredibly difficult task, especially given the media scrutiny and opposition she faces across social / all platforms.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Well it being “explicit” is the only difference. It is the same exact function. This is intentional.



And democrats already don’t go on Rogan. He doesn’t invite any on. What democrats other than Bernie Sanders, Fetterman some days ago, and Klye Kulinski four years ago…have been on Rogan the past 6 years?

This is the list of “democrats” or “the left” that go on Rogan:

-Tulsi
-Jimmy Dore
-RFK
-Tim Pool (it was seriously marketed this way)
-Dave Rubin (it was seriously marketed this way)
-Russell Brand (again, it was seriously marketed this way)
-Glenn Greenwald

Those are the kinds of “leftist” you’ll get on Rogan.Either disaffected, post left politicians, IDW cats, or YouTube grifters or Libertarians that all have the same backers as well.

Rogan is a post left-right wing horsehoe theory opp….who funded by right wing billionaires (through Spotify).

yah i think this is all fantasyland stuff imo.

Democrats pushed Rogan away first. starting with the reaction to Bernie going on in 2016.
and the stuff about his take on that trans MMA fighter.

he doesn't have left wing people on because it was considered bad to go on those shows.

Joe didn't ban anyone from the show, Dems banned themselves.

 

[keko jones]

I agree with you. I’ve never been the walk up hill both ways kind of person when discussing politics but I sometimes wonder where many of us would be if the past generations had this same apathy and attitude? Would people that look like you and me still be 3/5s of a person? I sometimes wonder how it must’ve felt for our grandparents and great grandparents to live during segregation and in the Jim Crow south and what it took never to give up and to keep trying to make things better? Many in society just aren’t built to play the long game and unfortunately many of those are who we need.

I understand your concern. It’s worth noting that, while progress may seem slow and imperfect, the overall trajectory in America has consistently moved forward over time. We’ve seen significant milestones, from the abolition of slavery to the end of segregation, and from expanded rights for women to greater social inclusion overall. While setbacks are inevitable, there’s reason to remain optimistic about the path of progress.

As for the Democratic Party’s challenges, one issue may be the tendency of leadership to shift blame onto voters, even after elections. For real progress, it’s essential that the party looks inward and addresses any internal missteps, rather than holding the public accountable. Blaming the people won’t foster change—self-reflection within the party will.

 

[TooOlfForThisIsh]

Right... I don't think there is some huge take away from this election that Dems are in any worse shape nationally than we already knew

The result had been baked in for months. The incumbent party has never won when the incumbent's approval ratings were as low as Biden's have been for years

In hindsight that's the only metric that really mattered

I 100% believe this, but I also 100% believe that we need to win even when the environment doesn’t favor us. Waiting to win the lottery of prevailing economic conditions is attrition to disaster as the last 50 years have proven.

We need a durable set of goals that we can show progress with even when we have environmental headwinds.

 

[gry60]

voters get to decide, unless you plan on making everyone take a economics class.

you have to coddle them.

It's not about making people take an economic class.
It's about the media doing their job of properly inform people. Instead, they repeat, like lemmings, the narrative coming from the top. "Inflation, inflation"

It's about Americans caring to be informed and not carrying their ignorance like a badge of honor. If we continue entertaining that, we're not going to be able to build anything when the old guard retire, regardless of how many likeable beer chugging folks we choose to run for elected office.

This problem is way deeper than electoral politics.

 

[NToweG]

Just vote.

 

[TooOlfForThisIsh]

It's not about making people take an economic class.
It's about the media doing their job of properly inform people. Instead, they repeat, like lemmings, the narrative coming from the top. "Inflation, inflation"

It's about Americans caring to be informed and not carrying their ignorance like a badge of honor. If we continue entertaining that, we're not going to be able to build anything when the old guard retire, regardless of how many likeable beer chugging folks we choose to run for elected office.

This problem is way deeper than electoral politics.

can you point to a time and place where there was a well-educated, informed populace who were not being manipulated by mass media?

If we continue to appeal to voters intellect and the calling them stupid when it fails… who is really stupid?

 

[wavycrocket]

I agree with you. I’ve never been the walk up hill both ways kind of person when discussing politics but I sometimes wonder where many of us would be if the past generations had this same apathy and attitude? Would people that look like you and me still be 3/5s of a person? I sometimes wonder how it must’ve felt for our grandparents and great grandparents to live during segregation and in the Jim Crow south and what it took never to give up and to keep trying to make things better? Many in society just aren’t built to play the long game and unfortunately many of those are who we need.

400 years of apathy

yah i think this is all fantasyland stuff imo.

Democrats pushed Rogan away first. starting with the reaction to Bernie going on in 2016.
and the stuff about his take on that trans MMA fighter.

he doesn't have left wing people on because it was considered bad to go on those shows.

Joe didn't ban anyone from the show, Dems banned themselves.

Yah! I disagree.

You can tell one someone genuinely loses belief. You can tell when someone is reading and repeating propaganda, and continuing to platform liars and more propagandists. Joe is doing the latter under the guise of “Everyman comic”. And he’s successfully been the pipeline to the right and even manosphere for a lot of young men.

These things I know to be true. Joe Rogan is Literally out here repeating talking points like he’s reading them. Have you seen him lately? The same for all these cats too.

Joe Rogan didn’t become a right wing propagandist because democrats called him racist and some trans issues….

So Yah….i just don’t agree. It’s not fantasyland stuff. But if you want to downplay it. That’s fine for you.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Many Hispanic communities hold deep-rooted values that may not fully align with progressive political platforms. There is a strong adherence to traditional beliefs, particularly around family roles, gender, and religion. For example, many Hispanics are uncomfortable with concepts such as viewing transgender women as women in the same way, and issues like this can create a disconnect with more progressive stances. Additionally, traditional views on masculinity are prevalent among Hispanic men, with machismo being a significant cultural factor.(Probably why latin woman are notnas outraged with Trump as others). Some in these communities may also hold more conservative views on LGBTQ+ issues, which can manifest as discomfort or opposition to topics like gender identity discussions in schools or the shift from “Merry Christmas” to more secular greetings like “Happy Holidays.” The Democratic Party’s stance on these topics may not resonate with these values, which likely contributes to their struggle to capture a larger share of Hispanic voter support.

I think people are over thinking this stuff a bit

people don't care about transgender issues.
nobody is voting on that.

just don't be weird about it.

freedom is good,
don't discriminate is good.

stay away from declaring pronouns, transwomen in sports ect.
these are boutique weird issues

as for the masculinity stuff even that isn't that complicated. don't be openly hostile to masculine behaviors or male typical interests.

 

[aepps20]

Many Hispanic communities hold deep-rooted values that may not fully align with progressive political platforms. There is a strong adherence to traditional beliefs, particularly around family roles, gender, and religion. For example, many Hispanics are uncomfortable with concepts such as viewing transgender women as women in the same way, and issues like this can create a disconnect with more progressive stances. Additionally, traditional views on masculinity are prevalent among Hispanic men, with machismo being a significant cultural factor.(Probably why latin woman are notnas outraged with Trump as others). Some in these communities may also hold more conservative views on LGBTQ+ issues, which can manifest as discomfort or opposition to topics like gender identity discussions in schools or the shift from “Merry Christmas” to more secular greetings like “Happy Holidays.” The Democratic Party’s stance on these topics may not resonate with these values, which likely contributes to their struggle to capture a larger share of Hispanic voter support.

Many Black folks share the same views but perhaps it’s our history with racism and the Republican Party that is the difference. Dems have to craft a message specific to Hispanic Americans

 

[keko jones]

I think people are over thinking this stuff a bit

people don't care about transgender issues.
nobody is voting on that.

just don't be weird about it.

freedom is good,
don't discriminate is good.

stay away from declaring pronouns, transwomen in sports ect.
these are boutique weird issues

as for the masculinity stuff even that isn't that complicated. don't be openly hostile to masculine behaviors or male typical interests.

May I ask, are you Hispanic, or do you have close connections within the Hispanic community? Are you familiar with their key concerns and the topics that resonate within Hispanic media? I’m genuinely interested because it seems you’re viewing these issues as minor or irrelevant, and I’d like to understand the basis of that perspective. Although my Spanish is limited, I watch Spanish-language news and follow different viewpoints, and it’s clear that these are genuine and important issues within the Hispanic community. So, I’m curious about where you’re sourcing your information and why there seems to be a degree of dismissal toward these concerns.



In summary, she addressed several talking points, highlighting that the Democratic Party has, for 35 years, made promises to the Hispanic community without substantial follow-through. She also criticized what she described as Kamala Harris's "woke agenda," which she argued is misaligned with Hispanic values on morals, religion, education, and gender identity. Additionally, she suggested that the Democratic Party appears weak and in need of stronger leadership and lastly, inflation.

 

[wavycrocket]

This was an interview I really enjoyed.
I knew nothing of Bernie. I remember being told he was an idiot and xxx. After listening to him talk with Joe I actually got to know him a bit and make up my own mind.

Who else other than Bernie (and some of the names I listed) from “the left” or democrats, has Rogan had on?

There is a running joke on the Rogan’s own subreddit that if you mention his obvious right wing grifting…”bbbut heee had Bernie on 7 years ago,” is the immediate response

And I’m not trying to be a dikkk. You cool peoples and be thinking a lot. But this dude and everything in his orbit is and has been on it for a long time:

So the next time you see someone like Lex Friedman, or average random edgy comedian pop up outta nowhere promoting themselves on Joe Rogan as an enlightened centrist that just wants to hear both sides….slowly but surely turn his audience into right leaning, sharply anti anything “left” robots…remember this.

 

[a-friend]

Prior to TRUMP going on ROGAN, ROGAN straight up bad mouthed that man and breathed HOT FIRE ON HIM.
You can say ROGAN was always on board but I don't agree.
Trump didn't say "hey man it is a waste for me to go on ROGAN, he already has his mind made up"
Nah, buddy said let me shoot my shot.

I want to respond to the bolded part specifically. YES!!!! Those three SPECIFICALLY were in on it as well. Many in here (and in the media) called those people “turning” way back as far as like 2018, if not before

Me asking if they were in on it doesn't really make sense, of course they were in on it, They supported him.
Before they supported him though? He just put a spell on them and changed the minds?
Sure you say many called them changing back in 2018, I take your word for it but still..........until they shifted they were life long Supporters of the Democratic Party.
So they were playing the long game as double agents?
The point is, words and works, money, power, greed or actions shifted their standing.
At some point somebody or something sold them on switching up.
Same way A LOT of folks recently switched up. They each have their own reasoning and they all differ but it was all work from TRUMP and his team.
Whether you believe it or Not I believe Rogan was NOT supporting TRUMP before Trump and ELON put in the work to sell him on it.

So saying for anybody to do Rogan would be pointless just doesn't add up, no matter who it is.

 

[a-friend]

Who else other than Bernie (and some of the names I listed) from “the left” or democrats, has Rogan had on?

That I couldn't tell you I'm not a ROGAN listener for years or anything like that.
I actually never even checked for ROGAN until he had some Cat named BILLY CARSON on this summer.
I had just watched Billy Carson on SHAWN RYAN and when I finished at some point ROGAN/Carson showed up in my feed.
That was maybe June-July, 24.
Since then I have seen several of his shows but I haven't been really checking for POLITICIANS at all.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

May I ask, are you Hispanic, or do you have close connections within the Hispanic community? Are you familiar with their key concerns and the topics that resonate within Hispanic media? I’m genuinely interested because it seems you’re viewing these issues as minor or irrelevant, and I’d like to understand the basis of that perspective. Although my Spanish is limited, I watch Spanish-language news and follow different viewpoints, and it’s clear that these are genuine and important issues within the Hispanic community. So, I’m curious about where you’re sourcing your information and why there seems to be a degree of dismissal toward these concerns.

I have no doubt Hispanic people are more conservative on these issues.

I'm Nigerian, huge part of my family are Americans. They have the same similar consertive attitudes on cultural stuff. But

I could be wrong but I never get these sense that people cast vote explicitly on this stuff. Because when it get turned into laws like anti trans bathroom bills the public is almost always against it.

.it more just contributes to the feeling that democrats are weirdos who are only fixated on boutique identity issues instead of the nuts and bolts of governing.


If you wanna pick an issue that people actually vote on that is turning Latinos away I think there's much more evidence that it's abortion.

 

[staffsgtdignam]

Many Hispanic communities hold deep-rooted values that may not fully align with progressive political platforms. There is a strong adherence to traditional beliefs, particularly around family roles, gender, and religion. For example, many Hispanics are uncomfortable with concepts such as viewing transgender women as women in the same way, and issues like this can create a disconnect with more progressive stances. Additionally, traditional views on masculinity are prevalent among Hispanic men, with machismo being a significant cultural factor.(Probably why latin woman are notnas outraged with Trump as others). Some in these communities may also hold more conservative views on LGBTQ+ issues, which can manifest as discomfort or opposition to topics like gender identity discussions in schools or the shift from “Merry Christmas” to more secular greetings like “Happy Holidays.” The Democratic Party’s stance on these topics may not resonate with these values, which likely contributes to their struggle to capture a larger share of Hispanic voter support.

Honestly, I’m not sure how the left even maneuvers around LGBTQ-phobia in communities like these.

Religious and cultural issues like these can’t really be transcended by modern politics since there is nothing a politician can say/do to make a community like this more tolerant. They probably just have to focus on issues that they would resonate more with such as immigration reform (since a lot of this same group feels it is grossly unfair that illegal immigrants get citizenship privilege while they had to wait their term before coming to the US for legal status).

 

[wavycrocket]

Prior to TRUMP going on ROGAN, ROGAN straight up bad mouthed that man and breathed HOT FIRE ON HIM.
You can say ROGAN was always on board but I don't agree.
Trump didn't say "hey man it is a waste for me to go on ROGAN, he already has his mind made up"
Nah, buddy said let me shoot my shot.

Me asking if they were in on it doesn't really make sense, of course they were in on it, They supported him.
Before they supported him though? He just put a spell on them and changed the minds?
Sure you say many called them changing back in 2018, I take your word for it but still..........until they shifted they were life long Supporters of the Democratic Party.
So they were playing the long game as double agents?
The point is, words and works, money, power, greed or actions shifted their standing.
At some point somebody or something sold them on switching up.
Same way A LOT of folks recently switched up. They each have their own reasoning and they all differ but it was all work from TRUMP and his team.
Whether you believe it or Not I believe Rogan was NOT supporting TRUMP before Trump and ELON put in the work to sell him on it.

So saying for anybody to do Rogan would be pointless just doesn't add up, no matter who it is.

I want to respond to the bolded part. Influence and greed (and from some credible sources…rubles) changed them. They are known grifters.

What I’m saying is those specific people are indeed “in on it”. And yes, some are double agents in many senses (like Tulsi…who’s been called out nationally for it). So it is no surprise. Especially when they are using talking points. That’s the part that pisses me off. They don’t really try to hide it . And if you have a discerning eye, it’s easy to see. But also easy to fool people.

Rogan simply is NOT bringing on anyone who would really push a left wing message.

Sam Seder (who actually knows Rogan and used to go on)….is legit blacklisted from Rogan. Kyle Kulinski (one of rogans buddies on the left)….is also blacklisted from Rogan.



Sam Harris as well. These are the things you don’t know. But these are huge people in these spaces with the influence that you are looking for, that would spread that message. Destiny as well.

Look them up.