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I don't think a 4B movement is coming any time soon.
It's really looking like the girls vs boys narrative of this election is overblow.
Gender is becoming a bigger polarizer than race but not so much so that you can stave off loses from white and latino women.
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For the past several years, many Democratic voices have expressed concern about the erosion of democratic values, suggesting that certain political trends WILL lead us down a path toward authoritarianism, similar to regimes in places like China, North Korea, or Venezuela. Now, in light of Trump’s victory, there appears to be a shift where some of these same individuals are calling for measures to limit or restric media and its influence.
There’s a tendency among some to label voters as "uneducated" if they hold differing political views, suggesting that these individuals simply aren’t informed. However, this perspective often overlooks the fact that these voters may indeed be informed but are receiving their information from sources outside the mainstream or those aligned with a particular ideological stance. Labeling them as uneducated simply because their media consumption differs misses the broader issue.
The challenge lies in recognizing that both sides—regardless of political affiliation—are often informed by media with clear biases, shaping their perspectives to align with one narrative or another. Instead of dismissing opposing viewpoints as uninformed, a better approach would be fostering critical engagement with diverse sources and encouraging a broader understanding that transcends media silos.
Anyways, to propose limiting or restricting media is ironic, especially given the earlier narrative that Trump’s leadership would be the end of democracy.
There’s a tendency among some to label voters as "uneducated" if they hold differing political views, suggesting that these individuals simply aren’t informed. However, this perspective often overlooks the fact that these voters may indeed be informed but are receiving their information from sources outside the mainstream or those aligned with a particular ideological stance. Labeling them as uneducated simply because their media consumption differs misses the broader issue.
The challenge lies in recognizing that both sides—regardless of political affiliation—are often informed by media with clear biases, shaping their perspectives to align with one narrative or another. Instead of dismissing opposing viewpoints as uninformed, a better approach would be fostering critical engagement with diverse sources and encouraging a broader understanding that transcends media silos.
Anyways, to propose limiting or restricting media is ironic, especially given the earlier narrative that Trump’s leadership would be the end of democracy.
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And if they don’t, the side that said it would happen if he’s elected loses credibility.
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When Elon kept saying “if democrats win there will never be another election.”
Sure felt like a lot like projecting of what their plans are.
The idea that I’ve seen from project 2025, is getting rid of people in all government positions (is how I interpreted it) and replacing them with Trump loyalists, that alone sounds frightening enough.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens and we can only hope he doesn’t do too much damage and that democracy is still alive in 2028.
Sure felt like a lot like projecting of what their plans are.
The idea that I’ve seen from project 2025, is getting rid of people in all government positions (is how I interpreted it) and replacing them with Trump loyalists, that alone sounds frightening enough.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens and we can only hope he doesn’t do too much damage and that democracy is still alive in 2028.
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You get clowned so much in here and never respond I thought you actually left the site years ago.
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Do I need to post Matt Walsh's latest viral tweet here?
Or should I post the incredulous reactions from Trump voters?
They can come here and gloat about loser Dems. They don't know they lost too.
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Literally no one overlooks this
It’s the entire reason people are misinformed or uninformed
Yeah, unfortunately this only happens on one side
Media bubble being a both sides phenomenon just isn’t true
For one - Democratic voters don’t consume near as much political media as conservatives
When a lot us can, we go to the primary source. Completely foreign to a lot of folks
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The wheels of democracy turn slowly. It doesn’t matter much if you are right on the issues, but your messaging doesn’t resonate. The right, especially the far right, has a message that resonates with their base. Whether that’s because of racism, sexism, misogyny, etc. it works. Until progressives can change the hearts and minds of moderates on key issues, they’ll need to slowly move them to that side. That means compassion and empathy instead of slam dunking others online. That means less progressive policies, until you get more traction.
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You ready to call trump racist yet or nah?
Or over 50 years of evidence still ain’t enough for you?
Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2020
Trump has repeatedly claimed he’s “the least racist person.” His history suggests otherwise.
www.vox.com
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You ready to call trump racist yet or nah?
Or over 50 years of evidence still ain’t enough for you?
Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2020
Trump has repeatedly claimed he’s “the least racist person.” His history suggests otherwise.
The Dems lose the presidency, senate, and house and you think keeping up the same schtick makes sense. Enough.
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This is not true.
When we talk about misinformed voters, it has to do with the quality of the information they get.
Most of the info the public uses to make their political decisions is verifiable. The bigger issue is whether they trust the source of the info and/or the methodology to come up with the data.
For example, if they are unable to recognize that prices of goods imported in the US cannot decrease with the imposition of tariffs, you can't call them anything but misinformed. And you have to question the validity of their information source. If they trust the person who told them tariffs decrease prices more than they trust the business owners, economists, and finance people who assert otherwise, guess what? They're going to hold onto their erroneous info.
We've seen it in folks believing the pre-ACA propaganda that public health insurance was worse than private health insurance, at the time when private insurance had lifetime coverage limits.
Same **** with people believing that they would bring home less money if their income jumped to the next tax bracket.
You should visit r/teachers. Anecdotes about pushing students to the next grade, even though they don't meet the requirements are too many to ignore.
What to know about the Hartford high school grad who can't read
Aleysha Ortiz said she was never taught to read or write — despite attending schools in Hartford since she was 6. Here's what to know.
ctmirror.org
This education crisis is snowballing into a crisis of media literacy, and all I'm seeing is excuses like "folks don't have time to read," while folks gorge on hours and hours of audio content that feeds them info they won't/can't/don't care to verify.
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Not sure what any of that got to do with your inability to call someone a racist
A job clearly doesn’t stop a person from being racist
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They're lying to the American public, and the half of the voting public wants to be lied to.
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Lol
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I forgot about Sotomayor. She's 70, why doesnt she bite the bullet and retire so Biden can put someone younger in before he's out. Is there even time for that? We could be facing another RBG even though she was 87 but you never know........
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It’s not being overlooked; some people continue to label these voters as "stupid" or "dumb" simply because their source of information isn’t the media you choose.
Here we go again—this argument is egregious and even laughable, and it’s exactly why people are willing to believe the Republicans. This claim is a blatant lie!
Where are you getting these so-called "facts"? It seems like you're making assumptions and generalizations based on your own practices and biases.
This statement doesn’t align at all with the voter turnout, the shift from one side to the other, or the results. You need to start being honest.
Lastly, what many Trump supporters have been saying is that Democrats are always quick to claim, "Our side is highly educated; we go to the source, read this, and that," yet here we are. While I believe Democratic supporters may be more diligent in seeking out facts, the typical citizen, in general, doesn’t make that effort. However, the narrative—whether you accept it or not—has been a major issue for many. It’s this: "You’re dumb because you agree with a convicted felon who hasn’t accomplished anything and is supposedly going to turn this country into China, while we’re smart because we read articles, have degrees, and aren’t lazy."
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Wouldn't the republicans just block and obstruct for the next 2 months?
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Noooooooooo!!!!!!!
This sounds like a right-wing caricature of what Democratic voters think.
And you know what? You're not listening to what the Democratic voters you're talking to, right now, are telling you.
What does that say about your own ability to process the information you're getting from the other side in this conversation?
Once again, "some voters are misinformed because they get their info from sources that lie to them."
I don't agree with everything the Jacobin writes; I don't agree with the National Review. But we're not talking about these sources or the WSJ; we're talking about info from "Libs of Tiktok" and "End Wokeness." How do you want to take seriously people who take info from these sources as gospel? How?
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This is not true.
When we talk about misinformed voters, it has to do with the quality of the information they get.
Most of the info the public uses to make their political decisions is verifiable. The bigger issue is whether they trust the source of the info and/or the methodology to come up with the data.
For example, if they are unable to recognize that prices of goods imported in the US cannot decrease with the imposition of tariffs, you can't call them anything but misinformed. And you have to question the validity of their information source. If they trust the person who told them tariffs decrease prices more than they trust the business owners, economists, and finance people who assert otherwise, guess what? They're going to hold onto their erroneous info.
We've seen it in folks believing the pre-ACA propaganda that public health insurance was worse than private health insurance, at the time when private insurance had lifetime coverage limits.
Same **** with people believing that they would bring home less money if their income jumped to the next tax bracket.
You should visit r/teachers. Anecdotes about pushing students to the next grade, even though they don't meet the requirements are too many to ignore.
What to know about the Hartford high school grad who can't read
Aleysha Ortiz said she was never taught to read or write — despite attending schools in Hartford since she was 6. Here's what to know.
This education crisis is snowballing into a crisis of media literacy, and all I'm seeing is excuses like "folks don't have time to read," while folks gorge on hours and hours of audio content that feeds them info they won't/can't/don't care to verify.
What I’m saying is, take some responsibility! The Democrats put Biden out there as though he was in good shape and the best option for America, despite Republicans raising concerns about his mental fitness. It only took one debate for the world to see that one side was being more truthful than the other. Then the party replaces Biden with Harris and, you expect people to trust anything other than what those making these claims are saying? Come on…
You expect people to suddenly change the way they’ve been consuming information their entire lives? That’s not realistic. People have developed their media habits over years, and asking them to completely shift how they take in information isn't something that can happen overnight. How about doing a better job of putting information out there?
The situation isn’t as clear-cut or simple as you make it seem. There’s plenty of blame to go around in this administration and party.
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Let's not talk about responsibility.
Democrats have always been willing to remove problematic members from their ranks, even if that placed their legislative power in contention. They are not in the business of protecting their elected members from justice as much as Republicans are.
Furthermore, there is nothing that forces a sitting president to step down for health reasons other than the 24th amendment. Furthermore, Republicans weren't a factor in the Biden giving the spot to Kamala, it was likely voters. The party listened and it wasn't enough because the only group held to somewhat of a standardin this country is Democrats. Babbling Trump can talk about shooting journalists all day, mock service members, call minorities garbage, and all y'all will just say "if Democrats didn't..."
That's a copout.
We went from printed paper delivered daily to chat rooms to blogs to forums to digital media in the span of 40 years. People have changed the way they consume info in that time span. What are you talking about?
The info IS out there. Unfortunately, it is being actively rejected.
That's why I don't have a problem with Trump voters and non-voters getting it good from this administration. It's the only medicine that will work, just like those old cats who become pro-universal healthcare after their first major health event puts them on the path of financial bankruptcy.
Oh, it is very simple. You're not receptive to the Democrat message.
Look back a couple of posts. Republicans are lying to you, they're admitting they're lying to you, and all you have to say is "Dems don't respect my ignorance."
Nah bruh! Coddling to willful ignorance is tiring, and some of us just don't want to do it anymore.
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You’re actually part of the problem here—you’re not even making an effort to listen. You’re too quick to jump in, trying to prove you’re right and labeling others as “dumb,” “uninformed,” or “stubborn.” But here’s the truth: despite all that, you’re still here complaining, deflecting blame, and acting as though you know exactly where we went wrong. The reality is, you don’t. I’m not even going to engage with your arguments because they aren’t rooted in logical thinking or any genuine attempt at dialogue.
And yet, you’re calling others unreceptive? We just suffered a serious setback, lost the majority, and clearly need to re-evaluate our approach. You’re quick to accuse people of not listening, but it’s obvious that you’re the one who isn’t open to hearing anyone else’s perspective.
P.S. The only one copping out here is you, constantly attacking anyone who shares a different point of view. You keep saying, “OMG, this is so exhausting,” yet you keep writing walls of text pushing your own perspective. So, are you tired, or are you not?
You talk about this not being a pro-Democrat thread, claiming you’re just trying to “inform.” Yet, every time a Republican joins in, they’re immediately shut down. Hell you do it with eveyone that doesn't support your narrative. I’s honestly laughable.
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That GOP elites want us dead is axiomatic. The real killer is learning just how indifferent Biden and than Harris were about winning.
A lot of marginalized people on the left are changing their calculus towards harm reduction and electoral risks.
There is no more triangulation and tacking to the center. You can compromise, compromise, and water down a Democratic ticket and still lose.
That’s terrifying but the silver lining is that we won’t be intimidated and disciplined in Democractic primaries anymore, by the notion of “electability.”
Voters want to throw out incumbents when they invariably are dissatisfied with an economy that is designed to dissatisfy most people.
Trump will not solve anyone problems and Democratic candidates MUST understand that in the midterms, anyone on the Democratic ballot line will be electable.
Nominate based on who is most to the left economically, in the 2026 primaries. Vote your policy preferences and not what you imagine a “moderate” Republican would like.
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