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Why would should he be worried about a trump clone?

I thought trump was making America great again? Wouldn't a trump clone do the same for Belgium?

8o

he should be worried about a Trump clone cuz i read his whole post right now & resembled a wet blanket full of liberal guilt tears.

You do know that calling people liberals or lefty really isn't a insult right?

The way you and your fellow trumpers throw it around like it is some sort of bad thing is hilarious.

talking like someone who speaking from their *** crack.

*cough*

"Liberal" as a derogatory epithet Edit

See also: Democrat Party (epithet) and Who is a Jew? § Antisemitic definitions
Since the 1970s, there has been a concerted effort from both the left and right to color the word "liberal" with negative connotations. As those efforts succeeded more and more, "progressives" and their opponents took advantage of the negative meaning to great effect. In the 1988 presidential campaign, Republican George H.W. Bush joked about his opponent's refusal to own up to the “L-word label.” When Michael Dukakis finally did declare himself a liberal, the Boston Globe headlined the story, “Dukakis Uses L-Word."[191]

Conservative activists since the 1970s have employed "liberal" as an epithet, giving it an ominous or sinister connotation, while invoking phrases like "free enterprise", "individual rights", "patriotic", and "the American way" to describe opponents of liberalism.[192] Historian John Lukacs noted in 2004 that then-President George W. Bush, confident that many Americans regarded "liberal" as a pejorative term, used it to label his political opponents during campaign speeches, while his opponents subsequently avoided identifying themselves as liberal.[193]

Ronald Reagan's ridicule of liberalism is credited with transforming "liberal" into a derogatory epithet that any politician seeking national office would avoid.[193][194] His speechwriters repeatedly contrasted "liberals" and "real Americans". For example, Reagan's then-Secretary of the Interior, James G. Watt said "I never use the words Republicans and Democrats. It's liberals and Americans." Reagan warned the United States of modern secularists who condoned abortion, excused teenage sexuality, opposed school prayer, and attenuated traditional American values. His conviction that there existed a single proper personal behavior, religious worldview, economic system, and proper attitude toward nations and peoples not supporting U.S. interests worldwide, is credited by comparative literature scholar Betty Jean Craige with polarizing America. Reagan persuaded a large portion of the public to dismiss any sincere analyses of his administration's policies as politically motivated criticisms put forth by what he labeled a "liberal" media.[194]

George H. W. Bush employed the word "liberal" as a derogatory epithet during his 1988 presidential campaign.[195] Bush described himself as a patriot, and described his liberal opponents as unpatriotic. He referred to liberalism as "the L-word" and sought to demonize opposing presidential candidate Michael Dukakis by labeling Dukakis "the liberal governor" and by pigeonholing him as part of what Bush called "the L-crowd". Bush recognized that motivating voters to fear Dukakis as a risky, non-mainstream candidate generated political support for his own campaign. Bush's campaign also used issues of prayer to arouse suspicions that Dukakis was less devout in his religious convictions. Bush's running mate, vice presidential candidate Dan Quayle said to Christians at the 1988 Republican National Convention "It's always good to be with people who are real Americans".[194] Bill Clinton avoided association with "liberal" as a political label during his 1992 presidential campaign against George H. W. Bush by moving closer to the political center.[195]

Reactions to shift Edit
Liberal Republicans have voiced disappointment over conservative attacks on liberalism. One example is former governor of Minnesota and founder of the Liberal Republican Club Elmer L. Andersen, who commented that it's "unfortunate today that 'liberal' is used as a derogatory term".[196] After the 1980s, fewer activists and politicians were willing to characterize themselves as liberals. Historian Kevin Boyle explains, "There was a time when liberalism was, in Arthur Schlesinger's words 'a fighting faith' ... Over the last three decades, though, liberalism has become an object of ridicule, condemned for its misplaced idealism, vilified for its tendency to equivocate and compromise, and mocked for its embrace of political correctness. Now even the most ardent reformers run from the label, fearing the damage it will inflict".[197] Republican political consultant Arthur J. Finkelstein was recognized by Democratic political consultants for having employed a formula of branding someone as a liberal and engaging in name-calling by using the word "liberal" in negative television commercials as frequently as possible, such as in a 1996 ad against U.S. Representative Jack Reed: "That's liberal. That's Jack Reed. That's wrong. Call liberal Jack Reed and tell him his record on welfare is just too liberal for you."[198]

Democratic candidates and political liberals have hidden from the word "liberal", in some cases identifying instead with terms such as "progressive" or "moderate".[199][200] George W. Bush and former Vice President **** Cheney accused their opponents of liberal elitism, softness, and pro-terrorism in attempts to frighten voters.[201] Conservative political commentators such as Rush Limbaugh consistently used "liberal" as a pejorative label. When liberals shifted to the word "progressive" to describe their beliefs, conservative radio host Glenn Beck used "progressive" as an abusive label.[202] Historian Godfrey Hodgson notes "The word liberal itself has fallen into disrepute. Nothing is too bad for conservative bloggers and columnists—let alone radio hosts—to say about liberals. Democrats themselves run a mile from the 'L word' for fear of being seen as dangerously outside the mainstream. Conservative politicians and publicists, by dint of associating liberals with all manner of absurdity so that many sensible people hesitated to risk being tagged with the label of liberalism, succeeded in persuading the country that it was more conservative than it actually was."[203]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_liberalism_in_the_United_States

brush up on ur history b.
 
So you are admitting your repeated use of epithets against other NT members? 8o :lol
 
its a political epithet that only works in da political arena, da way a Hadouken only works in a street fighter arena.
 
its a political epithet that only works in da political arena, da way a Hadouken only works in a street fighter arena.

So outside of "da political arena" it means nada?

Like I said you think it's an insult but it's really not.
 
its a political epithet that only works in da political arena, da way a Hadouken only works in a street fighter arena.

So outside of "da political arena" it means nada?

Like I said you think it's an insult but it's really not.

umm politically? its like getting hit with a shovel. its a completely toxic nomenclature...why u think certain folks here refer themselves as "progressive"?

:lol and da more Social justice ilk cry & complain that term is well on its way to carrying da same type of distain along with feminism & liberal, social conservative, etc.
 
its a political epithet that only works in da political arena, da way a Hadouken only works in a street fighter arena.

So outside of "da political arena" it means nada?

Like I said you think it's an insult but it's really not.

umm politically? its like getting hit with a shovel. its a completely toxic nomenclature...why u think certain folks here refer themselves as "progressive"?

:lol and da more Social justice ilk cry & complain that term is well on its way to carrying da same type of distain along with feminism & liberal, social conservative, etc.

:rollin :rollin :rollin
 
white guy from Belgium should be more worried about da Trump clone he got instead of lecturing us American...

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Now this is someone where Hitler comparisons are actually within reason.

If y'all thought Trump was bad, meet Geert Wilders. Dutch politician, leader of the PVV party who has been leading in the polls for the 2017 election.

He is currently on trial for hate speech, his second time being prosecuted over hate speech. The first time he was acquitted, not sure how this one will turn out.

At a rally he told his supporters "do you want less Moroccans in your city? Yes or no?"

The crowded started chanting "less, less, less", to which he responded "well let's make that happen"

That's why he's being prosecuted now.

A while back, he laid out his de-islamization manifesto. And given his history, best believe he's 100% serious about this.

Note that he was also invited to the republican convention as a guest speaker.

https://www.rt.com/news/357340-geert-wilders-manifesto-islam/

I'll translate the points:

Step 1: De-islamization of the Netherlands

-Zero asylum seekers and no more immigrants from Islamic countries; borders closed.

-Withdraw all current resident permits for refugees, close all refugee centers.

-Ban on Islamic headwear in public functions

-Ban on "public displays of Islam that violate the public order"

-Preventive imprisonment of radicalized muslims

-Criminals with double nationalities will be stripped of their Dutch nationality and deported

-Don't allow Syria fighters back into the country (actually a good proposal)

-Close all mosques and Islamic faith schools

-Ban the Quran

In short, this guy is known for being openly racist and his anti-Islam policies are flat out ridiculous. I do fear that his type of rhetoric will spread to us sooner or later. There's already a lot of racism towards our middle eastern population here.

With this guy there's no middle ground, he continuously engages in explicit racism and is actually proud of it too.

Voting for someone as openly racist as this clown is inexcusable. I doubt he has any supporters who aren't somewhat racist at the bare minimum.
 
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Columbia is going to hold on to his liberal ways all the way until the new members of his community, use his countries laws, to set up their own.

Then his country is finished.   All the freedoms and " fairness" he loves will be reversed.

All because he believed the tv and the 50 year old clueless hippy profs who taught him his way of life could be protected by saying please and expecting the best from people. Look up some belgian crime stats now compared to years past, to hear exactly why no American should take his advice or shaming.

All these people saying ninja is spitting in his ancestors face are wrong....its people like columbia doing it to theirs.

They built a great country and he and people that think like him refuse to protect it due to a white guilt that isnt even theirs.

Yall keep saying he gets it too
 
Belgium Belgium This dude Putin really is playing 3 dimensional chess right now. Wilders and a lot of the rising far right leaders on the continent are vehemently anti-Europe/EU and unabashedly pro-Russia.

Marine Le Pen was also recently discovered to have been receiving funding from a Russian bank and has praised Putin every chance she's gotten. I don't know about Wilders' electoral chances but Le Pens isn't exactly guaranteed anything at the moment,the National Front's support is limited to the smaller/more rural areas of France but who know's how things will look by May. Maybe another terror attack changes everything. If she does win power,that'd be the end of Europe/the EU as we know it.

It all feels strangely coordinated,Putin is legit on his way to pulling a kind of far right coup throughout the West...
 
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Now this is someone where Hitler comparisons are actually within reason.
If y'all thought Trump was bad, meet Geert Wilders. Dutch politician, leader of the PVV party who has been leading in the polls for the 2017 election.
He is currently on trial for hate speech, his second time being prosecuted over hate speech. The first time he was acquitted, not sure how this one will turn out.
At a rally he told his supporters "do you want less Moroccans in your city? Yes or no?"
The crowded started chanting "less, less, less", to which he responded "well let's make that happen"
That's why he's being prosecuted now.

A while back, he laid out his de-islamization manifesto. And given his history, best believe he's 100% serious about this.
Note that he was also invited to the republican convention as a guest speaker.
https://www.rt.com/news/357340-geert-wilders-manifesto-islam/
I'll translate the points:
Step 1: De-islamization of the Netherlands
-Zero asylum seekers and no more immigrants from Islamic countries; borders closed.
-Withdraw all current resident permits for refugees, close all refugee centers.
-Ban on Islamic headwear in public functions
-Ban on "public displays of Islam that violate the public order"
-Preventive imprisonment of radicalized muslims
-Criminals with double nationalities will be stripped of their Dutch nationality and deported
-Don't allow Syria fighters back into the country (actually a good proposal)
-Close all mosques and Islamic faith schools
-Ban the Quran

In short, this guy is known for being openly racist and his anti-Islam policies are flat out ridiculous. I do fear that his type of rhetoric will spread to us sooner or later. There's already a lot of racism towards our middle eastern population here.
With this guy there's no middle ground, he continuously engages in explicit racism and is actually proud of it too.
Voting for someone as openly racist as this clown is inexcusable. I doubt he has any supporters who aren't somewhat racist at the bare minimum.

Oh so in Belgium he's being prosecuted for the stuff he says at his rallies.

Our guy rides that wave all the way to the presidency. :lol
 
@oliverdarcy: Kellyanne Conway says on @FoxNewsSunday Harry Reid's comments are "beyond the pale," advises him to be careful in "legal sense"

So this dude's team is already threatening opposing critics...gonna be a looong 4 years :x
 
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@oliverdarcy: Kellyanne Conway says on @FoxNewsSunday Harry Reid's comments are "beyond the pale," advises him to be careful in "legal sense"

So this dude's team is already threatening opposing critics...gonna be a looong 4 years :x

Harry Reid needs to sit his old *** down.

instead of being magnanimous Like Hillary & Obama he went straight salty liberal.

glad his *** is gone.
 
Belgium Belgium This dude Putin really is playing 3 dimensional chess right now. Wilders and a lot of the rising far right leaders on the continent are vehemently anti-Europe/EU and unabashedly pro-Russia.

Marine Le Pen was also recently discovered to have been receiving funding from a Russian bank and has praised Putin every chance she's gotten. I don't know about Wilders' electoral chances but Le Pens isn't exactly guaranteed anything at the moment,the National Front's support is limited to the smaller/more rural areas of France but who know's how things will look by May. Maybe another terror attack changes everything. If she does win power,that'd be the end of Europe/the EU as we know it.

It all feels strangely coordinated,Putin is legit on his way to pulling a kind of far right coup throughout the West...

And you have guys like Titanium Tea who refuse to acknowledge that the West is being played like a fiddle.

The new generation has forgotten WHY they built all these alliances; their grand parents and their parents have not taught them the weapons race that led to WWI, the selfish resolution of the Versailles treaty that left the Germans humiliated and open to the right-wing radicalism of the 1920s-30s and led to Hitler, Franco, and Mussolini, the withdrawal of Japan, Italy, and Germany from the Society of Nations the neglect of Germany annexing territory after territory until it was too late to find a peaceful resolution, and WWII.

I don't always speak as Daddy Style does, but it is funny that the same people who told others to adapt or die are willing to throw away stability because they can't do the same. They told the slaves to adapt; they did. They told the colonized to adapt; they did. Now it is their turn. Manufacturing is gone, pick up a book/trade and learn something that's useful for today instead of living in the past and wanting to bring the rest of us back to that time.
 
Oh so in Belgium he's being prosecuted for the stuff he says at his rallies.

Our guy rides that wave all the way to the presidency.
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Geert Wilders is Dutch, from the Netherlands. But we do have a similar law against hate speech.

It's only really applied to politicians and other highly influential individuals. If I were to go around chanting racial slurs and remove all the muslims I wouldn't be charged with anything besides disturbing the public order maybe. If a politician spews some blatant racism on the other hand, they might get prosecuted for it.

For example I went to a Alex Agnew's show with some friends last week, a well known comedian.

There were holocaust jokes, catholic church rape jokes, muslim jokes, ... In other words, anything goes and he does go there. A lot. He doesn't need to worry about prosecutions though, as he's just a comedian.

Technically you could file hate speech charges against anyone under our law but a judge will throw it out if it's not a suit against a politician, mayor, ...
 
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Columbia is going to hold on to his liberal ways all the way until the new members of his community, use his countries laws, to set up their own.
Then his country is finished.   All the freedoms and " fairness" he loves will be reversed.
All because he believed the tv and the 50 year old clueless hippy profs who taught him his way of life could be protected by saying please and expecting the best from people. Look up some belgian crime stats now compared to years past, to hear exactly why no American should take his advice or shaming.
All these people saying ninja is spitting in his ancestors face are wrong....its people like columbia doing it to theirs.
They built a great country and he and people that think like him refuse to protect it due to a white guilt that isnt even theirs.
Yall keep saying he gets it too

Are we talking about the same Belgians whose king killed millions of Congolese so that he could manufacture tires and other rubber components to European industries? Are we talking about Germany who, long the rise of the third reich, was already testing concentration camps on Southern Africans? Are we talking about France who still controls the currency of many African countries and has given itself first dibs on all of their resources in exchange for "independence"? Your world needs a good dose of reality. When you go play command and conquer in far away lands, don't be surprised when you see the survivors of your bombs knocking at your door and ask for shelter after you've reduced their livelihoods to nothing.

Adapt to the world your leaders create.
 
 
@Colombia This dude Putin really is playing 3 dimensional chess right now. Wilders and a lot of the rising far right leaders on the continent are vehemently anti-Europe/EU and unabashedly pro-Russia.

Marine Le Pen was also recently discovered to have been receiving funding from a Russian bank and has praised Putin every chance she's gotten. I don't know about Wilders' electoral chances but Le Pens isn't exactly guaranteed anything at the moment,the National Front's support is limited to the smaller/more rural areas of France but who know's how things will look by May. Maybe another terror attack changes everything. If she does win power,that'd be the end of Europe/the EU as we know it.

It all feels strangely coordinated,Putin is legit on his way to pulling a kind of far right coup throughout the West...
And you have guys like Titanium Tea who refuse to acknowledge that the West is being played like a fiddle.

The new generation has forgotten WHY they built all these alliances; their grand parents and their parents have not taught them the weapons race that led to WWI, the selfish resolution of the Versailles treaty that left the Germans humiliated and open to the right-wing radicalism of the 1920s-30s and led to Hitler, Franco, and Mussolini, the withdrawal of Japan, Italy, and Germany from the Society of Nations the neglect of Germany annexing territory after territory until it was too late to find a peaceful resolution, and WWII.

I don't always speak as Daddy Style does, but it is funny that the same people who told others to adapt or die are willing to throw away stability because they can't do the same. They told the slaves to adapt; they did. They told the colonized to adapt; they did. Now it is their turn. Manufacturing is gone, pick up a book/trade and learn something that's useful for today instead of living in the past and wanting to bring the rest of us back to that time.
Repped.

Especially on the last part the same empathy is never extended to the black and brown working class that is to the white working class. Black and brown working class are told to pick themselves up by their boot straps constantly while ignoring the conditions that led them to not even having boots. While the white working class people just acknowledge they don't have boots anymore and how sad that is and are willing to try to turn back the clock of time to get them boots again.
 
Belgium Belgium This dude Putin really is playing 3 dimensional chess right now. Wilders and a lot of the rising far right leaders on the continent are vehemently anti-Europe/EU and unabashedly pro-Russia.

Marine Le Pen was also recently discovered to have been receiving funding from a Russian bank and has praised Putin every chance she's gotten. I don't know about Wilders' electoral chances but Le Pens isn't exactly guaranteed anything at the moment,the National Front's support is limited to the smaller/more rural areas of France but who know's how things will look by May. Maybe another terror attack changes everything. If she does win power,that'd be the end of Europe/the EU as we know it.

It all feels strangely coordinated,Putin is legit on his way to pulling a kind of far right coup throughout the West...

On a certain level I'm not even mad. We deserve to fall
 
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