***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[RustyShackleford]

You making yourself sound like a complete clown with the amount of ignorance and diet bigotry you are spewing.

-And when it comes to fair elections, I never hear people like you complain about the suppression of black voters, in southern and swing states. Not a ******* peep about that blatant disenfranchisement of voters, just because they vote Democrat.

Miss this thread with your bull ****

You're acting like it's difficult to get a government ID. You don't have a problem when the left gerrymandering districts to skew elections in their favor.

If you really have a problem with me, I'm in NYC and have this week off. Let me know what you want to do.

-I have a problem with gerrymandering all around. But it is the right that benefits the most from gerrymandering. It cost the Dems seats, not the GOP

-Getting a government ID and getting illegally registered to vote are separate issue that your mix together to pedal a ******** accusation, wrapped in bigotry.

And lil man you don't want these pocket sand problems in your life. I got some soft white from the shores of Cuba I been waiting to use on someone, so Sit down B

 

[Based Jesus]

Not believing portrayals of Castro due to "media" is as ridiculous to me as doubting the truths of the holocaust.

Ignoring survivors stories to help your confirmation bias is not only stupid it's disrespectful.

People risked death to get out and you're sitting here in front of your computer going "It couldn't have been that bad. I don't believe it."

I've known cubans black and white whose families escaped. Go and tell that **** to their faces and their family's faces.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Obama loves to talk about the right side of history but when castro dies he says "history will record and judge the enormous impact of this singular figure on the people and world around him"

Hmm... Pretty kind words. Definitely ambiguous at least.

lol That is why I dig my President so much! What he is really saying without offending anyone is, " I have access to all of Castro's FBI and CIA files, know of all of his movements, and when I do not look at them through a white imperialists perspective, Fidel was not that bad of a guy, but I could see why white people disliked him. He didn't bow down." On top of that, you have the incoming President lauding Putin. So much for communists being the enemy...[emoji]128064[/emoji]

What?

If that's what Obama is saying he's an ignorant dumbass *****.

Obama is definitely not saying something that ridiculous. Obama have one of the most middle of the road, ambiguous comments I have ever heard.

He probably knows it is not good politics at this point to fall hard on either side.

-And Obama normalizing relations with Cuba puts him on the right side of history. Because the only way that country starts the slow march toward democracy is to have more access to the outside world.

 

[AZwildcats]

We really elected a tweeting ***** as out president. America, I love you and hate you at the same time

 

[RustyShackleford]

@realDonaldTrump: In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally

http://niketalk.com/content/type/61/id/2242440/[/quote]

Obama to this man Trump.

America, what the hell :{ :lol

 

[AZwildcats]

You making yourself sound like a complete clown with the amount of ignorance and diet bigotry you are spewing.

-And when it comes to fair elections, I never hear people like you complain about the suppression of black voters, in southern and swing states. Not a ******* peep about that blatant disenfranchisement of voters, just because they vote Democrat.

Miss this thread with your bull ****

You're acting like it's difficult to get a government ID. You don't have a problem when the left gerrymandering districts to skew elections in their favor.

If you really have a problem with me, I'm in NYC and have this week off. Let me know what you want to do.

Shut up man, we know you NYC cats are *******

 

[i lax bro]

I also do not trust western media's accounts of what he supposedly did, especially with all of the hell that was raised when my President, Obama, said that he would consider trade with Cuba when he first got into office. Since it is a fact that western media does view leaders who are non white differently, I am very careful take anything they report as truth, because they even went after Mandela as if he were a terrorist. We know how this thing works, and a black or latino man in charge cannot do wrong right. according to those who live with white privilege.

So you're telling me the media has fabricated/exaggerated everything Castro did while he actively ruled? I mean there are plenty of people who lived and can vouch for the various suppressions of human rights.

I also understand your viewpoint on Catholicism and accept that as a reason for liking Castro. However, Hitler, Mussoilni, Stalin, Pinochet, Franco, and others all did small things that benefitted the population. One good doesn't cover hundreds of negatives man.

 

[biggie62]

You making yourself sound like a complete clown with the amount of ignorance and diet bigotry you are spewing.

-And when it comes to fair elections, I never hear people like you complain about the suppression of black voters, in southern and swing states. Not a ******* peep about that blatant disenfranchisement of voters, just because they vote Democrat.

Miss this thread with your bull ****

You're acting like it's difficult to get a government ID. You don't have a problem when the left gerrymandering districts to skew elections in their favor.

If you really have a problem with me, I'm in NYC and have this week off. Let me know what you want to do.

Shut up man, we know you NYC cats are *******

Hey hey hey there. Don't lump me in with him and NH.

 

[RustyShackleford]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/self-driving-trucks-will-hit-the-road-in-ohio/

A self-driving truck will begin traveling on two Ohio roads next week after state officials announce details of new investments to support innovative transportation technology.

A vehicle from self-driving truck maker Otto will travel a 35-mile stretch of U.S. Route 33 on Monday in central Ohio between Dublin and East Liberty, home to the Transportation Research Center, an independent testing facility. It will travel in regular traffic, and a driver in the truck will be positioned to intervene should anything go awry, Department of Transportation spokesman Matt Bruning said Friday, adding that “safety is obviously No. 1.”

Officials say that section of Route 33 - a four-lane, divided road - is an important piece of autonomous vehicle research in the state and will become a corridor where new technologies can be safely tested in real-life traffic, aided by a fiber-optic cable network and sensor systems slated for installation next year. Gov. John Kasich is scheduled to discuss details of that investment and other efforts to support autonomous vehicle research on Monday before the truck hits the road.

“Certainly we think it’s going to be one of the foremost automotive research corridors in the world,” Bruning said.

The self-driving truck is also expected to travel next week on part of the Ohio Turnpike, though Bruning said he couldn’t yet detail when or where.

The turnpike’s executive director said in August that officials were moving toward allowing testing of self-driving vehicles on the 241-mile toll road, a heavily traveled connector between the East Coast and Chicago.

Tests of self-driving vehicles have been made in other areas. Anheuser-Busch said last month that it had completed the world’s first commercial shipment by self-driving truck, sending a beer-filled tractor-trailer on a trip of more than 120 miles through Colorado. The company said a professional truck driver was on board for the entire route. Several automobile companies have tested self-driving vehicles on public roads in California and Nevada, and Uber is testing driverless cars in Pittsburgh.

Kasich has pushed for Ohio to be a leader in the fast-advancing testing and research of autonomous vehicles. State officials say Ohio is well-positioned for such a role for many reasons, including a significant presence from the automotive industry in the state, partnerships with university researchers, and the seasonal weather changes that enable testing a variety of driving conditions in one place.

Why this will be such a problem.......

http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/02/05/382664837/map-the-most-common-job-in-every-state

 

[Based Jesus]

I never knew there were so many truck drivers

 

[daddy style]

What?

If that's what Obama is saying he's an ignorant dumbass *****.

If you are calling me one because I feel that is what he is saying, then I am okay with that. We do not have to agree on everything, and your opinion does not change my own on the issue of Castro.

Not believing portrayals of Castro due to "media" is as ridiculous to me as doubting the truths of the holocaust.
Ignoring survivors stories to help your confirmation bias is not only stupid it's disrespectful.
People risked death to get out and you're sitting here in front of your computer going "It couldn't have been that bad. I don't believe it."
I've known cubans black and white whose families escaped. Go and tell that **** to their faces and their family's faces.

I do not like to compare the Holocaust to Slavery, nor do I feel it is fair to compare anyone's experience with oppression with anyone else's. It is like when gay white men try and compare their plight against oppression to that of Black people around the globe. It is dishonest, and used to bring about emotional discourse which does nothing but bring about who had it worse than who. It isn't fair to anyone. That said, I am sure that there are people who experienced oppression, those both Black and white while in Cuba under the Castro regime. However, we just had an election where in Florida, many cuban americans seemed to forget what oppressive candidates can actually do. I wonder how many of those are who you are speaking of in regard to those interviews, voted for a racist, sexist, xenophobe as president of the united states? I like what Castro stood for in regard to racism, period.

So you're telling me the media has fabricated/exaggerated everything Castro did while he actively ruled? I mean there are plenty of people who lived and can vouch for the various suppressions of human rights.

I also understand your viewpoint on Catholicism and accept that as a reason for liking Castro. However, Hitler, Mussoilni, Stalin, Pinochet, Franco, and others all did small things that benefitted the population. One good doesn't cover hundreds of negatives man.

No, I was not saying that it was exaggerated, but Putin's dirt has surely been swept under the rug since Trump has gotten into office. Why is that? Here is the problem, while the media has freedom in our country, it is still run by white men. I for one do not trust the media and their reporting. If they were on point, Hillary Clinton has won the presidency in a landslide.

 

[trueprada]

 

[Based Jesus]

 

Not believing portrayals of Castro due to "media" is as ridiculous to me as doubting the truths of the holocaust.
Ignoring survivors stories to help your confirmation bias is not only stupid it's disrespectful.
People risked death to get out and you're sitting here in front of your computer going "It couldn't have been that bad. I don't believe it."
I've known cubans black and white whose families escaped. Go and tell that **** to their faces and their family's faces.

I do not like to compare the Holocaust to Slavery, nor do I feel it is fair to compare anyone's experience with oppression with anyone else's. It is like when gay white men try and compare their plight against oppression to that of Black people around the globe. It is dishonest, and used to bring about emotional discourse which does nothing but bring about who had it worse than who. It isn't fair to anyone. That said, I am sure that there are people who experienced oppression, those both Black and white while in Cuba under the Castro regime. However, we just had an election where in Florida, many cuban americans seemed to forget what oppressive candidates can actually do. I wonder how many of those are who you are speaking of in regard to those interviews, voted for a racist, sexist, xenophobe as president of the united states? I like what Castro stood for in regard to racism, period.

No one is comparing the holocaust to anything so you wasted time typing up that introduction. I equated the denial of the truths. Not the truths themselves.

How some cubans voted in 2016 is also irrelevant to the discussion of the injustices committed against the people of Cuba by the totalitarian regime of Fidel Castro and his personal role in them for nearly 40 years.

As for his stance on racism,

I wonder how many black cubans occupy Cuba's prisons relative, to white cubans.

I wonder how many black cubans occupy government positions, relative to white cubans.

I wonder how many black cubans have been unjustly executed, relative to white cubans.

I wonder how many black cubans engage in prostitution, relative to white cubans.

I wonder how many black cubans are employed in Cuba's tourism industry, relative to white cubans.

I wonder how many black cubans have regular access to the internet, relative to white cubans.

I wonder how many black cubans are doctors, lawyers and engineers, relative to white cubans.

I wonder how many black cubans hold high military ranks, relative to white cubans.

I wonder how many black cubans were part of the labor camps Castro once threw people into, relative to white cubans.

I know black cubans couldn't bring up the probable disparities without punishment due to Castro declaring racism in Cuba ended by the revolution. 

And even though he changed his tune about that a few years ago, the government still suppresses the discussion of race relations in the country.

One must learn to separate the IDEA of someone from the REALITY of someone.

The IDEA of Castro was wonderful. The REALITY, not so much. At least not for many of his people.

 

[daddy style]

No one is comparing the holocaust to anything so you wasted time typing up that introduction. I equated the denial of the truths. Not the truths themselves.

How some cubans voted in 2016 is also irrelevant to the discussion of the injustices committed against the people of Cuba by the totalitarian regime of Fidel Castro and his personal role in them for nearly 40 years.

As for his stance on racism,

I wonder how many black cubans occupy Cuba's prisons relative, to white cubans.
I wonder how many black cubans occupy government positions, relative to white cubans.
I wonder how many black cubans have been unjustly executed, relative to white cubans.
I wonder how many black cubans engage in prostitution, relative to white cubans.
I wonder how many black cubans are employed in Cuba's tourism industry, relative to white cubans.
I wonder how many black cubans have regular access to the internet, relative to white cubans.
I wonder how many black cubans are doctors, lawyers and engineers, relative to white cubans.
I wonder how many black cubans hold high military ranks, relative to white cubans.
I wonder how many black cubans were part of the labor camps Castro once threw people into, relative to white cubans.

I know black cubans couldn't bring up the probable disparities without punishment due to Castro declaring racism in Cuba ended by the revolution. 
And even though he changed his tune about that a few years ago, the government still suppresses the discussion of race relations in the country.

One must learn to separate the IDEA of someone from the REALITY of someone.
The IDEA of Castro was wonderful. The REALITY, not so much. At least not for many of his people.

You and I can differ on opinion and what is our reality, correct? So when you speak to the idea of Castro and what you wonder, well , I wonder what would have happened in Cuba if Castro did not do what he did, and then who would be complaining about it? What if Lansky and the crew were still running things? It seems as if oppression is okay when White people benefit from it, but not okay when people who do not identify with white authority may do the same as they do, especially to people who identify as white. All of a sudden if white people are suffering or being oppressed, they want everyone to stand with them. They will also use people of color as an example of that oppression. Once freedom is achieved, all of the other so called oppressed are left behind, with whites sailing upward. I feel that Castro's offenses are only a big deal because white cubans were also affected. If it were only black people being oppressed, nobody would give a damn, just like in Africa, and in the United States.

 

[deleted]

No one here is saying that oppression is acceptable

 

[RustyShackleford]

So Castro's oppressive tactic are less deplorable because he dealt it out equal among blacks and white? Is that the argument you're making famb?

Castro had plenty of opportunity to make Cuba a just socially democratic state, and he refused. Instead he chose to be a piece of **** oppressive dictator to anyone he viewed as a threat to his power. Hell even those who weren't, like people trying to leave, or people that were homosexual.

The problem is not Castro's revolution, the problem is that he straight up lied about the end game. The revolution was not about returning Cuba to the people like he promised, it was about taking Cuba for himself.

 

[Based Jesus]

 

No one is comparing the holocaust to anything so you wasted time typing up that introduction. I equated the denial of the truths. Not the truths themselves.

How some cubans voted in 2016 is also irrelevant to the discussion of the injustices committed against the people of Cuba by the totalitarian regime of Fidel Castro and his personal role in them for nearly 40 years.

As for his stance on racism,

I wonder how many black cubans occupy Cuba's prisons relative, to white cubans.
I wonder how many black cubans occupy government positions, relative to white cubans.
I wonder how many black cubans have been unjustly executed, relative to white cubans.
I wonder how many black cubans engage in prostitution, relative to white cubans.
I wonder how many black cubans are employed in Cuba's tourism industry, relative to white cubans.
I wonder how many black cubans have regular access to the internet, relative to white cubans.
I wonder how many black cubans are doctors, lawyers and engineers, relative to white cubans.
I wonder how many black cubans hold high military ranks, relative to white cubans.
I wonder how many black cubans were part of the labor camps Castro once threw people into, relative to white cubans.

I know black cubans couldn't bring up the probable disparities without punishment due to Castro declaring racism in Cuba ended by the revolution. 
And even though he changed his tune about that a few years ago, the government still suppresses the discussion of race relations in the country.

One must learn to separate the IDEA of someone from the REALITY of someone.
The IDEA of Castro was wonderful. The REALITY, not so much. At least not for many of his people.

You and I can differ on opinion and what is our reality, correct? So when you speak to the idea of Castro and what you wonder, well , I wonder what would have happened in Cuba if Castro did not do what he did, and then who would be complaining about it? What if Lansky and the crew were still running things? It seems as if oppression is okay when White people benefit from it, but not okay when people who do not identify with white authority may do the same as they do, especially to people who identify as white. All of a sudden if white people are suffering or being oppressed, they want everyone to stand with them. They will also use people of color as an example of that oppression. Once freedom is achieved, all of the other so called oppressed are left behind, with whites sailing upward. I feel that Castro's offenses are only a big deal because white cubans were also affected. If it were only black people being oppressed, nobody would give a damn, just like in Africa, and in the United States.

Relative privation laced hypotheticals are never a valid counterargument and while your point on why some have an issue with Castro might be a valid observation, it is still irrelevant when discussing the injustices committed against the people of Cuba by the totalitarian regime of Fidel Castro and his personal role in them for nearly 40 years.

 

[daddy style]

No one here is saying that oppression is acceptable

But the assertion that both black and white cubans see that oppression through the sane lens is wrong. That is where the inequality is unequal. White cubans want their white privilege, black cubans are dealing with something different, much different. To use them both as a symbol of equal oppression is dishonest.

 

[daddy style]

Relative privation laced hypotheticals are never a valid counterargument and while your point on why some have an issue with Castro might be a valid observation, it is still irrelevant when discussing the injustices committed against the people of Cuba by the totalitarian regime of Fidel Castro and his personal role in them for nearly 40 years.

Both black and white cubans are not looking for the same freedoms, and you do not make the rules on what I wish to say, nor how I wish to argue, I am hungry... lololololol

 

[ninjahood]

. I feel that Castro's offenses are only a big deal because white cubans were also affected. If it were only black people being oppressed, nobody would give a damn,

classic example of someone who's insistence on including racial components when they don't apply makes da entire argument invalid.

 

[daddy style]

classic example of someone who's insistence on including racial components when they don't apply makes da entire argument invalid.

... and you are a classic example of how someone who is in denial of himself, your entire existence can be summed up in a nutshell, pathetic.

 

[deleted]

But the assertion that both black and white cubans see that oppression through the sane lens is wrong. That is where the inequality is unequal. White cubans want their white privilege, black cubans are dealing with something different, much different. To use them both as a symbol of equal oppression is dishonest.

Do you believe that being the beneficiary of privilege renders a person immune to injustice?

 

[d nice]

And that's the paradox that truly makes Castro's legacy a mixed bag for people ( not me in particular). On one hand, he helped free South Africa from apartheid, while also aiding Angola and Namibia in their own revolutions, And he openly supported Pan Africanist leaders like Nkrumah. And he was also an open supporter of Malcolm X and the Black Panthers.

But when it came time for him to make a decision to hand power over to the people in his own country, he became corrupt and chose to keep power for himself. He truly represents both the best and worst of powerful leaders. He was able to fight for the freedom of others while taking it away from his own.

 

[daddy style]

Do you believe that being the beneficiary of privilege renders a person immune to injustice?

When it comes to racism and white male privilege, all laws in his control and stacked in his favor, yes. He has made himself immuned to injustice. I mean, this is the reason for the break from the crown in the first place.

 

[deleted]

Alright

It would appear that there's nothing to be gained from either of us continuing this discussion