***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[RustyShackleford]

The tax policies did fail, they didn't produce the growth they promised and squandered our surplus and threw away the chance at having no national debt.

you're only half right.

they did spur growth, however Bush went on to being da world's police & blew it.

The tax cuts cost more than the war.

And read my sentence, the growth that was promised. They fell well short, well short of their promised goals.

We had a minor recession, and Bush could have stimulated the economy for much cheaper. Obama's stimulus costed way less.

The tax cuts were impractical, and relatively ineffective. In the end, it was a overheated unstable housing market that grove much of the growth Republicans brag about.

How did that work out in the end Ninja?

 

[everysingletime]

A Texas electors just resigned to avoid voting Trump.

I'm annoyed that he didn't just stay and vote for Hilary.

 

[ninjahood]

 

 

The tax policies did fail, they didn't produce the growth they promised and squandered our surplus and threw away the chance at having no national debt.

you're only half right.

they did spur growth, however Bush went on to being da world's police & blew it.

The tax cuts cost more than the war.

And read my sentence, the growth that was promised. They fell well short, well short of their promised goals.

 

nah.

as far as da loomin Trump Tax reform, you bout to see what a real recovery looks like come January.

In the end, it was a overheated unstable housing market that grove much of the growth Republicans brag about.

which Clinton got da ball rolling on...but leaving that aside, Bush's few things he got right was his tax cuts...charging a War on China's credit card among other bone headed things is what sealed his fate.
 

 

[RustyShackleford]

 

The tax cuts cost more than the war.


And read my sentence, the growth that was promised. They fell well short, well short of their promised goals.


 

nah.

as far as da loomin Trump Tax reform, you bout to see what a real recovery looks like come January.

In the end, it was a overheated unstable housing market that grove much of the growth Republicans brag about.

which Clinton got da ball rolling on...but leaving that aside, Bush's few things he got right was his tax cuts...charging a War on China's credit card among other bone headed things is what sealed his fate.

 

What a ******* red herring.

You know damb well I am talking about financial cost, and you post a picture of injured solider.

What childish ********

 

[ninjahood]

 

 

 

 

The tax cuts cost more than the war.


And read my sentence, the growth that was promised. They fell well short, well short of their promised goals.


 

nah.

as far as da loomin Trump Tax reform, you bout to see what a real recovery looks like come January.

In the end, it was a overheated unstable housing market that grove much of the growth Republicans brag about.

which Clinton got da ball rolling on...but leaving that aside, Bush's few things he got right was his tax cuts...charging a War on China's credit card among other bone headed things is what sealed his fate.

 

What a ******* red herring.

You know damb well I am talking about financial cost, and you post a picture of injured solider.

What childish ********

u said tax cost were more expensive than war....you walked RIGHT INTO that.

had u been on television da pundits on both sides would've told u to pipe down 

 

[everysingletime]

Lol a picture by itself proves nothing, b

 

[RustyShackleford]

 

 

 

 

The tax cuts cost more than the war.



And read my sentence, the growth that was promised. They fell well short, well short of their promised goals.



 

nah.


as far as da loomin Trump Tax reform, you bout to see what a real recovery looks like come January.

In the end, it was a overheated unstable housing market that grove much of the growth Republicans brag about.

which Clinton got da ball rolling on...but leaving that aside, Bush's few things he got right was his tax cuts...charging a War on China's credit card among other bone headed things is what sealed his fate.


 

What a ******* red herring.


You know damb well I am talking about financial cost, and you post a picture of injured solider.


What childish ********

u said tax cost were more expensive than war....you walked RIGHT INTO that.

had u been on television da pundits on both sides would've told u to pipe down 

I did not walk into anything, we were talking about fiscal policy, you were struggling as usual, so you few out some nonsense to deflect.

Even when I try to have a civil exchange with you, you response with petulance when you can't form a cogent comeback.

This is your go to move then you're cornered.

 

[ninjahood]

 

 

 

 

 

 

The tax cuts cost more than the war.



And read my sentence, the growth that was promised. They fell well short, well short of their promised goals.



 

nah.


as far as da loomin Trump Tax reform, you bout to see what a real recovery looks like come January.

In the end, it was a overheated unstable housing market that grove much of the growth Republicans brag about.

which Clinton got da ball rolling on...but leaving that aside, Bush's few things he got right was his tax cuts...charging a War on China's credit card among other bone headed things is what sealed his fate.


 

What a ******* red herring.


You know damb well I am talking about financial cost, and you post a picture of injured solider.


What childish ********

u said tax cost were more expensive than war....you walked RIGHT INTO that.

had u been on television da pundits on both sides would've told u to pipe down 

I did not walk into anything, we were talking about fiscal policy, you were struggling as usual, so you few out some nonsense to deflect.

Even when I try to have a civil exchange with you, you response with petulance when you can't form a cogent comeback.

This is your go to move then you're cornered.

ayo, yo said tax cuts is worst than war, and you're still defending that 

thats da type of ish that would've gotten replayed over and over and over and over for being completely outta touch.

Bush's legacy is tarnished because of war...not cuz of taxcuts that Obama passed (you can argue semantics all day, still happened)

 "bush lied people died"

as da saying goes

 

[RustyShackleford]

ayo, yo said tax cuts is worst than war, and you're still defending that 

thats da type of ish that would've gotten replayed over and over and over and over for being completely outta touch.

Bush's legacy is tarnished because of war...not cuz of taxcuts that Obama passed (you can argue semantics all day, still happened)


 "bush lied people died"

as da saying goes

You are a damb liar. Period

My comment.......

The tax policies did fail, they didn't produce the growth they promised and squandered our surplus and threw away the chance at having no national debt.

you're only half right.

they did spur growth, however Bush went on to being da world's police & blew it.

The tax cuts cost more than the war.

And read my sentence, the growth that was promised. They fell well short, well short of their promised goals.

We had a minor recession, and Bush could have stimulated the economy for much cheaper. Obama's stimulus costed way less.

The tax cuts were impractical, and relatively ineffective. In the end, it was a overheated unstable housing market that grove much of the growth Republicans brag about.

How did that work out in the end Ninja?

It is clear as day I am speaking in factual fiscal terms.

Miss me with this ********. Now you misrepresenting my comment somehow means that you have the upper hand in the debate. That is pure nonsense

And the Bush tax cuts are not semantics. I exposed you lying about this already, this is why they must be dismissed now.

 

[rexanglorum]

The ultimate irony is that people who voted for Trump, did so to absolve themselves from their own brand of politics.

When Obama was running the country, it was easy to tell Mexican, blacks, and the poor to "pick themselves up by the bootstraps" and preached about the free market and personal responsibility.

When you think of it, free trade agreements are a form of deregulation, let goods move freely from place to place without governance inference or excessive taxation.

But when they found out that these people found out the visible hand of the market is not a white supremacist, does not have their best interest at heart, they run to Trump for some good ole government intervention in their favor. Funny, I would think all these people that lost their jobs to machines, Mexicans, or Chinese factory workers would be up early every morning ready to pick themselves up by their bootraps, not living in economic despair demanding the government's help. I thought that behavior was exclusive to da lazy blacks and entitled debt strapped liberals.

T o add to the irony, now these same people that voted in Trump, are in fear that he might cut their health insurance, one of the few ways the government conspires in their favor.

But yeah, it should all work out in the end. Giving rich people loads of tax cuts, and cutting the social safety from underneath the poor won't backfire. I mena rich people WILL HAVE TO create more jobs, even though the consumer base will continue to erode, and it is not like the tax code will have ways for the rich to not spend their money in the economy, and still make tons of money................oh wait, it does

While free markets alone could never end white supremacy, free markets and neoliberalism do have a sort of leveling effect.

What is interesting is how this has polarized white American voters. The fact that the explicit financial reward of white privilege have declined has acted like a giant continental divide. For a sizeable minority of the white electorate the calculation is that if white supremacy cannot pay the bills, it is time to abandon this whole white solidarity thing. For a majority of the white electorate, the more their economic fortunes decline, the more they double down on their public and psychological wages.

 

[ninjahood]

in no way does a tax cut cost more then a war.... 

and you can justify those tax cut extensions anyway you want, da point is they happened.

 

[RustyShackleford]

in no way does a tax cut cost more then a war.... 

and you can justify those tax cut extensions anyway you want, da point is they happened.

Oh look, walking back your comment, but still being as smug as ever.

 

[ninjahood]

in no way does a tax cut cost more then a war.... 

and you can justify those tax cut extensions anyway you want, da point is they happened.

Oh look, walking back your comment, but still being as smug as ever.

you're da one who said it, not i.

walking back? you're implying that da Tax cuts "cost more" which by da context u are using is worse than a war.

if u gonna say something, make sure u know of da ramifications, whether implied or not.

 

[MVP]

Willfully ignorant or obtuse seems to be applicable here. Only the mind of a child whose never taken a single English course would relate "cost" to the toll of death/injury when all the previous and supporting context points to talking about the fiscal aspect. Still never concedes anything ever being wrong. 

 

[gry60]

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/11/michigans_biggest_electric_pro.html

3 coal plants have been shut down so far, and 8 more coal plant closures are happening in the near future in Michigan.

Looks nobody will be using coal from the coal jobs that Trump will bring back.

A newer coal plant in Monroe is expected to last into the 2030s, Anderson said, but it will likely be the last coal plant running as the company moves toward natural gas and renewable energy, and away from coal entirely.

"I don't know anybody in the country who would build another coal plant," Anderson said.

 

[d nice]

http://qz.com/840337/the-us-governm...-of-its-promise-to-phase-out-private-prisons/
[h1]The US government is already quietly backing out of its promise to phase out private prisons[/h1]

 
Critics have long denounced private prisons in the US as unsafe, inefficient and at times, inhumane. Those critics, who include inmates and activists, seemed to find a powerful ally earlier this year when the Department of Justice announced it would phase out its use of private prisons for federal prisoners. This wouldn’t mean the end of privately-run incarceration facilities (they’re also used by immigration authorities and states), but it was seen as a step forward. Except, that when the first contracts came up for re-negotiation this fall, the federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP) quietly decided to renew them anyway. That decision, along with the election of Donald Trump, mean that the US is unlikely to see the use of private prison operators diminish any time soon.

Last week, CoreCivic (CCA), one of the country’s two largest prison operators, announced that the BOP had renewed its contract for two years to run the McRae Correctional Facility in Georgia. According to the company, the new agreement was barely changed, with only an 8% reduction in inmate beds. This despite an August memo from the deputy attorney general Sally Yates that stated that the Department of Justice, which oversees BOP, would either nix the contracts, or “substantially” reduce them when they came up for renewal.

Curiously, the BOP said the new contract, reduced the number of beds by 24%, and saved $6 million in costs, and followed DOJ instructions. The reason for the discrepancy? BOP initially provided Quartz only the maximum capacity of the facility as a basis for the calculation. CoreCivic presented the minimum number of beds it would get paid for—the fixed amount it is guaranteed by the contract.

Either way the contract renewal is spun, activists are disappointed. According to the American Civil Liberties Union, the McRae facility neglected the medical care of some inmates, and unduly punished inmates with solitary confinement. In 2011, the group asked the BOP to shut the prison down.

The ACLU wasn’t alone. “We were hoping for the facility to shut down,” said Azadeh Shahshahani, a legal and advocacy director of Project South, an anti-racism group based in Atlanta.

She pointed out that the BOP extended its contract with GEO Group, the other leading prison company in the US in September for the D. Ray James Correctional Facility, also in Georgia. As with the McRae facility, the company presents the reduction of the contract as small, and the BOP presented the cut as larger in an email to Quartz, using different numbers from the agreement.

“This track record doesn’t show at least any short term determination to abide by the mandate established in [the DOJ] memo,” said Shahshahani. The DOJ did not respond to Quartz’s request for comment.

Separately, the election of Donald Trump as president of the US has activists worried that the steps taken by the Obama administration to reduce the population of inmates in private prisons will be quickly rolled back. Trump has said outright that he supports prison privatization, and his plans for cracking down on illegal immigration would be a boon for prison operators: the stock prices of CoreCivic and the GEO Group soared following his election. Meanwhile, his nomination of Sen. Jeff Sessions—a harsh critic of criminal justice reform efforts—to serve as attorney general certainly won’t help. In October, Geo Group hired two former aides to Sessions to lobby in favor of outsourcing federal corrections to the private prison industry.

“We are actually anticipating that the DOJ decision be quite possibly overturned. Either formally or they would be renewals or re-granting of the full contracts,” said Bethany Carson at Grassroots Leadership, a prison advocacy organization.
What has Carson and her group particularly worried is the president-elect’s promise to introduce mandatory minimums for illegal re-entry convictions after a previous deportation. Illegal entry and re-entry convictions already make up nearly half of federal prosecutions. The convicts are mostly held in thirteen so-called “Criminal Alien Requirement” (CAR) prisons, run by private companies, largely CoreCivic and GEO. Both facilities with which the BOP extended its contracts are CAR prisons.

 
Carson said that mandatory minimums would send average sentences for re-entry “through the roof,” and would require expanding the private prisons the DOJ said it would close in August.
“Expanding this existing system that federally prosecutes immigrants just for crossing the border to reunite with their families or flee dangerous situations could be one way to quite literally manufacture the so-called criminals he wants to deport,” said Carson.

 

[RustyShackleford]

in no way does a tax cut cost more then a war.... 

and you can justify those tax cut extensions anyway you want, da point is they happened.

Oh look, walking back your comment, but still being as smug as ever.

you're da one who said it, not i.

walking back? you're implying that da Tax cuts "cost more" which by da context u are using is worse than a war.

if u gonna say something, make sure u know of da ramifications, whether implied or not.

I was clear in my statement, you're trying to misrepresent them in a desperate attempt to look in control.

You don't though, you just look foolish and petty

 

[biggie62]

Dude is comparing mangoes to platanos. You are something else NH.

Either you are trolling or you are just ignorant. One or the other not anything else.

 

[RustyShackleford]

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/11/michigans_biggest_electric_pro.html

3 coal plants have been shut down so far, and 8 more coal plant closures are happening in the near future in Michigan.

Looks nobody will be using coal from the coal jobs that Trump will bring back.

A newer coal plant in Monroe is expected to last into the 2030s, Anderson said, but it will likely be the last coal plant running as the company moves toward natural gas and renewable energy, and away from coal entirely.

"I don't know anybody in the country who would build another coal plant," Anderson said.

I'm saying though. Some power companies have straight up said "Trump or no Trump" we are not using coal anymore.

Look at this:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CES1021210001

But delusional people think it just Obama's regulations.

These jobs are not coming back.

 

[MVP]

When Dodge starts making those Charger hybrids doe 

 

[everysingletime]

http://qz.com/840337/the-us-governm...-of-its-promise-to-phase-out-private-prisons/

[h1]The US government is already quietly backing out of its promise to phase out private prisons[/h1]


[QUOTE url="[URL]http://qz.com/761532/the-us-government-says-it-will-end-the-use-of-private-federal-prisons/[/URL]"]
 
Critics have long denounced private prisons in the US as unsafe, inefficient and at times, inhumane. Those critics, who include inmates and activists, seemed to find a powerful ally earlier this year when the Department of Justice announced it would phase out its use of private prisons for federal prisoners. This wouldn’t mean the end of privately-run incarceration facilities (they’re also used by immigration authorities and states), but it was seen as a step forward. Except, that when the first contracts came up for re-negotiation this fall, the federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP) quietly decided to renew them anyway. That decision, along with the election of Donald Trump, mean that the US is unlikely to see the use of private prison operators diminish any time soon.

Last week, CoreCivic (CCA), one of the country’s two largest prison operators, announced that the BOP had renewed its contract for two years to run the McRae Correctional Facility in Georgia. According to the company, the new agreement was barely changed, with only an 8% reduction in inmate beds. This despite an August memo from the deputy attorney general Sally Yates that stated that the Department of Justice, which oversees BOP, would either nix the contracts, or “substantially” reduce them when they came up for renewal.

Curiously, the BOP said the new contract, reduced the number of beds by 24%, and saved $6 million in costs, and followed DOJ instructions. The reason for the discrepancy? BOP initially provided Quartz only the maximum capacity of the facility as a basis for the calculation. CoreCivic presented the minimum number of beds it would get paid for—the fixed amount it is guaranteed by the contract.

Either way the contract renewal is spun, activists are disappointed. According to the American Civil Liberties Union, the McRae facility neglected the medical care of some inmates, and unduly punished inmates with solitary confinement. In 2011, the group asked the BOP to shut the prison down.
The ACLU wasn’t alone. “We were hoping for the facility to shut down,” said Azadeh Shahshahani, a legal and advocacy director of Project South, an anti-racism group based in Atlanta.

She pointed out that the BOP extended its contract with GEO Group, the other leading prison company in the US in September for the D. Ray James Correctional Facility, also in Georgia. As with the McRae facility, the company presents the reduction of the contract as small, and the BOP presented the cut as larger in an email to Quartz, using different numbers from the agreement.
“This track record doesn’t show at least any short term determination to abide by the mandate established in [the DOJ] memo,” said Shahshahani. The DOJ did not respond to Quartz’s request for comment.

Separately, the election of Donald Trump as president of the US has activists worried that the steps taken by the Obama administration to reduce the population of inmates in private prisons will be quickly rolled back. Trump has said outright that he supports prison privatization, and his plans for cracking down on illegal immigration would be a boon for prison operators: the stock prices of CoreCivic and the GEO Group soared following his election. Meanwhile, his nomination of Sen. Jeff Sessions—a harsh critic of criminal justice reform efforts—to serve as attorney general certainly won’t help. In October, Geo Group hired two former aides to Sessions to lobby in favor of outsourcing federal corrections to the private prison industry.

“We are actually anticipating that the DOJ decision be quite possibly overturned. Either formally or they would be renewals or re-granting of the full contracts,” said Bethany Carson at Grassroots Leadership, a prison advocacy organization.

What has Carson and her group particularly worried is the president-elect’s promise to introduce mandatory minimums for illegal re-entry convictions after a previous deportation. Illegal entry and re-entry convictions already make up nearly half of federal prosecutions. The convicts are mostly held in thirteen so-called “Criminal Alien Requirement” (CAR) prisons, run by private companies, largely CoreCivic and GEO. Both facilities with which the BOP extended its contracts are CAR prisons.


 
Carson said that mandatory minimums would send average sentences for re-entry “through the roof,” and would require expanding the private prisons the DOJ said it would close in August.
“Expanding this existing system that federally prosecutes immigrants just for crossing the border to reunite with their families or flee dangerous situations could be one way to quite literally manufacture the so-called criminals he wants to deport,” said Carson.

[/quote]

That's terrible. I really don't think anyone deserves to be in prison for extended periods unless its for something violent. Better for the economy to just deport them than to imprison them, isn't it?

 

[ninjahood]

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/11/michigans_biggest_electric_pro.html

3 coal plants have been shut down so far, and 8 more coal plant closures are happening in the near future in Michigan.

Looks nobody will be using coal from the coal jobs that Trump will bring back.

A newer coal plant in Monroe is expected to last into the 2030s, Anderson said, but it will likely be the last coal plant running as the company moves toward natural gas and renewable energy, and away from coal entirely.

"I don't know anybody in the country who would build another coal plant," Anderson said.

I'm saying though. Some power companies have straight up said "Trump or no Trump" we are not using coal anymore.

Look at this:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CES1021210001

But delusional people think it just Obama's regulations.

These jobs are not coming back.

*cough* natural gas is dirt cheap cuz of da fracking revolution...dont tell that to environmentalists..

 

[AEA18]

Dude is comparing mangoes to platanos. You are something else NH.

Either you are trolling or you are just ignorant.

Da proof is in da posts b

 

[RustyShackleford]

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/11/michigans_biggest_electric_pro.html

3 coal plants have been shut down so far, and 8 more coal plant closures are happening in the near future in Michigan.

Looks nobody will be using coal from the coal jobs that Trump will bring back.

A newer coal plant in Monroe is expected to last into the 2030s, Anderson said, but it will likely be the last coal plant running as the company moves toward natural gas and renewable energy, and away from coal entirely.

"I don't know anybody in the country who would build another coal plant," Anderson said.

I'm saying though. Some power companies have straight up said "Trump or no Trump" we are not using coal anymore.

Look at this:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CES1021210001

But delusional people think it just Obama's regulations.

These jobs are not coming back.

*cough* natural gas is dirt cheap cuz of da fracking revolution...dont tell that to environmentalists..

*Cough* You sound silly, we are talking about coal, natural gas is a substitute for coal in energy produce.
.
*Cough* you frack more, you get more natural gas, you lower the price for it which makes people use natural gas more, and less coal.

*Cough* you plan only kills off more coal jobs

*Cough* you just unknowingly proved my point because of your ignorance of energy markets and basic economics.

*Cough* you can go sit your *** down in a corner now

*Cough* *Cough*

 

[Chopper]

http://qz.com/840337/the-us-governm...-of-its-promise-to-phase-out-private-prisons/
[h1]The US government is already quietly backing out of its promise to phase out private prisons[/h1]

Thanks for posting. Terrible to see.