***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[Rootin4EverybodyBlack]

*Edit

NT is being weird, def. didn't intend to quote myself.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Pence was not elected president, if he is running the show, just makes Trump look like a bigger clown.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Da law and order candidate

HAGERSTOWN, Md. (AP) — If president-elect Donald Trump keeps his promise, surplus military grenade launchers, bayonets, tracked armored vehicles and high-powered firearms and ammunition will once again be available to state and local U.S. police departments.

National police organizations say they'll hold Trump to that promise.

President Barack Obama issued an executive order restricting that access in 2015 amid an outcry over police use of armored vehicles and other war-fighting gear to confront protesters in Ferguson, Missouri, after the fatal shooting of Michael Brown. Since then, federal officials have recalled more than 1,800 items, which have been destroyed through target practice or otherwise disposed of, officials say.

But state and local police organizations have protested, insisting that military-style vehicles and gear help protect officers' lives and public safety — for example, a privately manufactured, tracked armored vehicle played a key role in the police response to the mass shooting at a county government building in San Bernardino, California, in December 2015.

During his campaign, Trump sided with the police. In September, he promised to rescind the executive order in a written response to a Fraternal Order of Police questionnaire that helped him win an endorsement from the organization of rank-and-file officers.

"The 1033 program is an excellent program that enhances community safety. I will rescind the current executive order," reads the response posted on the group's website.

"We take him at his word," Executive Director James Pasco said in a recent telephone interview.

The Trump transition team did not respond to questions from The Associated Press about the executive order.

National Sheriffs' Association Executive Director Jonathan F. Thompson said his group has pressed the topic in discussions with Trump's transition team. And William J. Johnson, executive director of the National Association of Police Organizations, said he was encouraged by his conversations with Trump representatives before the Nov. 8 election.

"The feeling that we got is they absolutely hear us and they share our concerns," he said.

Obama's order was triggered partly by police use of military-style gear and vehicles in response to the 2014 unrest in Ferguson. The order prohibited the federal government from providing grenade launchers, bayonets, tracked armored vehicles, weaponized aircraft and vehicles, and firearms and ammunition of .50-caliber or greater to state and local police agencies.

Since then, the Defense Logistics Agency has recalled 138 grenade launchers, more than 1,600 bayonets and 126 tracked vehicles — those that run on continuous, tank-like tracks instead of wheels — that were provided through the military's 1033 program, agency spokeswoman Michelle McCaskill said.

Peter Kraska, a professor at Eastern Kentucky University's School of Justice Studies who has studied the militarization of police, said Obama's executive order has had little effect because there was relatively little demand for the prohibited items to begin with.

"It was more symbolic politics than anything substantive," he said.

The order also added requirements for record-keeping, local oversight and training for the acquisition or use of other surplus military equipment such as wheeled armored vehicles, but those hurdles apparently have not deterred agencies from obtaining the gear. McCaskill said 183 law enforcement agencies have received mine-resistant, ambush-protected vehicles or MRAPs, through the 1033 program so far this year. That's more than the 165 MRAPs that were distributed in 2013.

Nevertheless, Kraska said, there's nothing to justify most police departments having such equipment.

"It just ramps up the probability that this kind of kind of high-end military hardware is going to be misapplied," he said.

But Cass County, North Dakota, Sheriff Paul Laney said the executive order is aimed at urban areas and ignores the usefulness of tracked vehicles in rugged terrain.

"They fail to realize the dilemma it puts sheriffs in who live in the rural areas, the desert areas, the mountain areas," he said.

Oakland County, Michigan, Sheriff Michael Bouchard, whose tracked vehicle was recalled, said rescinding the order would restore police access to equipment they've been denied for what he called "purely optic" reasons.

Groups on both ends of the political spectrum have expressed concern about police militarization, from civil-rights organizations such as the NAACP and ACLU to the libertarian Cato Institute.

Raed Jarrar, government relations manager for the American Friends Service Committee, a Quaker group committed to peace and social justice, said the executive order wasn't effective but rescinding it would send a message that "rather than attempting to curb militarism, the president-elect is planning to continue on that path."

The Charles Koch Institute, founded by its conservative billionaire namesake, considers the restrictions under Obama's executive order "a decent start," said William Ruger, vice president of policy and research.

"We don't want local police departments to be incentivized to get the types of equipment that in most cases are a better fit for the war zone," he said.

https://apnews.com/a62985c95a074ccc...n=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

 

[Rootin4EverybodyBlack]

yeah, i know. I wrote that in response to people saying "if Trump gets impeached, Pence is worse" which I really don't think is true.

 

[Belgium]

The full interview with Chris Wallace

 

[RustyShackleford]

yeah, i know. I wrote that in response to people saying "if Trump gets impeached, Pence is worse" which I really don't think is true.

I think it is true.

I think we are in another Chaney-Duyba situation. Where Dubya was the useful idiot, and Chaney was the real evil.

Pence is farrrrrrrrr right, and very ideological. Where as Trump wants to look good and enrich himself, Pence wants to impose his ideology on the country. And he is competent enough to do it.

I dunno, to me it is a toss up.

 

[ninjahood]

Obamacare's price spike announcements were far more devastating, that abc poll went from a +13 Clinton lead to a +1 in like 4 days.

yeah just in case anyone doesn't know, this is not true. You don't look at single polls, you look at aggregate, the effect of obamacare was not significant, comey letter was.



The idea that Obamacare premium spikes killed hillary is paticularly absurd given that Donald Trump counter proposal is to take away peoples healthcare.

never midnd the fact that people just don't really vote on policy like that.

umm da polls were collapsing because of da Obamacare news...unless u wanna explain that Clinton freefall in 4 days..

Comey's letter screwed her.

no....da collapse happened BEFORE comey issued da letter...

here' where she had a double digit lead.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/clin...d-boosted-broad-disapproval/story?id=42993821

All told, Clinton leads Trump by 12 percentage points among likely voters, 50 to 38 percent, in the national survey, her highest support and his lowest to date in ABC News and ABC News/Washington Post polls

This ABC News poll was conducted by landline and cellular telephone Oct. 20-22, 2016,

this is where da collapse happened..

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...oll-trump-surges-to-within-1-point-of-clinton

Clinton leads Trump, 46 percent to 45 percent, in a four-way race including Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson and the Green Party’s Jill Stein in the latest ABC News/Washington Post tracking poll. Johnson has 4 percent support, while Stein has 2 percent.
Clinton, the Democratic presidential nominee, led Trump by 12 points in that poll, 50 percent to 38 percent, early last week.

The poll of 1,160 likely voters, conducted Oct. 25–28, has a margin of error of 3 points.

and here's da evidence that da comey letter wasnt da certified nail...

A majority of all likely voters say they are unmoved by the FBI's announcement Friday that it may review additional emails from Clinton's time as secretary of state. Just more than 6 in 10 voters say the news will make no difference in their vote, while just more than 3 in 10 say it makes them less likely to support her; 2 percent say they are more likely to back her as a result.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ew-of-clinton-e-mails/?utm_term=.d53e0849b2fe

 

[RustyShackleford]

For a second I thought you had taken your time to research and post something substantive, and that I would have to take time to think of a well thought out response.

But within 30 seconds of reading. I find out that is not the case. First you're using tracking polls as you evidence.

Second, In the second article you posted, to show her collapse had nothing to do with Comey, this appears:

About a third of all likely voters said they are less likely to support the Democratic nominee in light of news that the FBI is investigating more emails connected to Clinton’s use of a private email server while secretary of State, ABC News noted. Seven percent of Clinton supporters say the new review makes them less likely to support her.

Did you even read the article, or did you expect no one else to read it?

So you evidence is tracking polls, the second of which includes the Comey news, and you have people admitting the letter had an impact. Geez



Here:

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...certainly-wouldve-won-if-election-were-before

And before you shoot the messenger, let us remember Silver estimates where the most bullish on Trump, and he said right before the election multiple times Trump has a shot because he is withing a polling error. And you have used 538 as a source yourself.

 

[whywesteppin]

it's not even funny anymore. we need to stop. this is like debating string theory with a toddler.

 

[AZwildcats]

I don't think he counted on Rusty actually clicking on the links

 

[ninjahood]

For a second I thought you had taken your time to research and post something substantive, and that I would have to take time to think of a well thought out response.

But within 30 seconds of reading. I find out that is not the case. First you're using tracking polls as you evidence.

Second, In the second article you posted, to show her collapse had nothing to do with Comey, this appears:

About a third of all likely voters said they are less likely to support the Democratic nominee in light of news that the FBI is investigating more emails connected to Clinton’s use of a private email server while secretary of State, ABC News noted. Seven percent of Clinton supporters say the new review makes them less likely to support her.

Did you even read the article, or did you expect no one else to read it?

So you evidence is tracking polls, the second of which includes the Comey news, and you have people admitting the letter had an impact. Geez



Here:

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...certainly-wouldve-won-if-election-were-before

And before you shoot the messenger, let us remember Silver estimates where the most bullish on Trump, and he said right before the election multiple times Trump has a shot because he is withing a polling error. And you have used 538 as a source yourself.

da Comey letter wasnt da silver bullet ys making it out to be though...

Trump had already started cutting da lead well before da FBI sideshow.

any "advantage" Trump gained was purely placebic.

 

[RustyShackleford]

And the goal post move

 

[ninjahood]

And the goal post move

every damn pundit had commented on da Comey letter doing nothing because da collapse was already well underway.

if u wanna pretend like Comey sabotaged a well oil Clinton campaign then hey... be my guest.

 

[frshstunna]

One thing that is super annoying about this election is grand sweeping hot takes about the American electorate being divined from Clinton losing 4 states by like 100k votes.

And the Dems are supposed to be "done "

 

[ninjahood]

One thing that is super annoying about this election is grand sweeping hot takes about the American electorate being divined from Clinton losing 4 states by like 100k votes.

And the Dems are supposed to be "done "

we ignoring da decimated democrats in elected office nation wide?

 

[RustyShackleford]

And the goal post move

every damn pundit had commented on da Comey letter doing nothing because da collapse was already well underway.

if u wanna pretend like Comey sabotaged a well oil Clinton campaign then hey... be my guest.

Off numbers, on to pundits.

Sounding desperate buddy

 

[Belgium]

it's not even funny anymore. we need to stop. this is like debating string theory with a toddler.

It's hard to ignore him though with the relentless barrage of buffoonery 

It's not like he's being taken seriously anyway

 

[AEA18]

it's not even funny anymore. we need to stop. this is like debating string theory with a toddler.

It's hard to ignore him though with the relentless barrage of buffoonery 
It's not like he's being taken seriously anyway

All I see is white bars until someone quotes that garbage

 

[ninjahood]

And the goal post move

every damn pundit had commented on da Comey letter doing nothing because da collapse was already well underway.

if u wanna pretend like Comey sabotaged a well oil Clinton campaign then hey... be my guest.

Off numbers, on to pundits.

Sounding desperate buddy

oh look, a deflection

Clinton was imploding before da Comey letter.. accept it & move on.

 

[ninjahood]

it's not even funny anymore. we need to stop. this is like debating string theory with a toddler.

It's hard to ignore him though with the relentless barrage of buffoonery 
It's not like he's being taken seriously anyway

pssh ya all my sons in this thread

i think imma go find some of "genius commentary" before November 8th. to point and laugh at for a lil.

 

[RustyShackleford]

And the goal post move

every damn pundit had commented on da Comey letter doing nothing because da collapse was already well underway.

if u wanna pretend like Comey sabotaged a well oil Clinton campaign then hey... be my guest.

Off numbers, on to pundits.

Sounding desperate buddy

oh look, a deflection

Clinton was imploding before da Comey letter.. accept it & move on.

That was not a deflection, nice try.

And I'm not gonna accept something, especially when you have not proven anything. Matter of fact, the evidence you provided states the opposite

Like I said, you sound desperate Edwin

 

[RustyShackleford]

it's not even funny anymore. we need to stop. this is like debating string theory with a toddler.

It's hard to ignore him though with the relentless barrage of buffoonery 
It's not like he's being taken seriously anyway

pssh ya all my sons in this thread

i think imma go find some of "genius commentary" before November 8th. to point and laugh at for a lil.

Getting the election result right doesn't make all your nonsense correct.

Also, we know you're old, but not that old. Still got some time to turn things around buddy.

 

[whywesteppin]

it's not even funny anymore. we need to stop. this is like debating string theory with a toddler.

It's hard to ignore him though with the relentless barrage of buffoonery 
It's not like he's being taken seriously anyway

pssh ya all my sons in this thread

i think imma go find some of "genius commentary" before November 8th. to point and laugh at for a lil.

you live a rich life.

 

[ninjahood]

Most major forecasts show Hillary having multiple roots to 270

yeah, that was before Obamacare blew up, wikileaks dropped that Clinton INC bomb, and now Anthony Weiner being politcal herpes, da gift that keeps on giving.

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[ninjahood]

Black dude buys $900 worth of Donald Trump yard signs, shows up to rally only to be mistaken as protester, and gets escorted out.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...om_a_campaign_rally_after_trump_mistakes.html

For a black man even going to a Trump rally let alone being excited about going to a Trump rally he got EXACTLY what he deserved.

You're running out of excuses ninjahood and more importantly running out of time.