***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[rolaholic]

^^ Macron was a former minister under the last Socialist government though. He moved to the center because he was smart in acknowledging the temperature of the room or in this case,the country after Hollande's approval numbers tanked and knowing he wouldn't have a chance under that banner. He's progressive on social issues,it's fiscal/economic policy where he's a real centrist.

I don't think the American left could become more incompetent than their counterparts if they tried tbh . Their main problems recently have been the messengers of their policies,not the actual ideas themselves given the broad support the platform had.

 

[Belgium]

I watched some Jimmy Dore a while back out of curiosity. How anyone can sit through a full episode of that baffles me.

Very obnoxious, smug, condescending, know-it-all, "my way is the only way"

It's really just insufferable to me.

 

[rolaholic]

I watched some Jimmy Dore a while back out of curiosity. How anyone can sit through a full episode of that baffles me.
Very obnoxious, smug, condescending, know-it-all, "my way is the only way"
It's really just insufferable to me.

Man seems to hate nuance

 

[Nike Jordan]

The dirtbag left thankfully doesn't have much weight in the Democratic Party.

 

[RustyShackleford]

The far left in this country needs to not rely on the "our ideas are popular" angle.

When it comes time to flesh out the ideas, and have the plans scored, it will bit them in the ***. The Dem primary is a perfect example of that.

Also it creates a blind spot for white supremacy and other bigotry.

 

[rolaholic]

Of course you can't just rely on ideas to win elections...the world be much simpler if it was . You've got to capture folks imaginations as well as convince them,with specifics given how critical the liberal base is, to really have a real chance at implementing those ideas.

Also,far left in the US is a lot different than the rest of the world tbh given how much things have shifted rightwards in the political spectrum over the years(Thanks Koch bros). Our Conservatives here in Canada would straight up be considered moderates down south

 

[RustyShackleford]

The dirtbag left thankfully doesn't have much weight in the Democratic Party.

Ro Khanna actually joined the Young Turks' Justice Democrats thing. So he is on record wanting all Dems to be primaried hard come next year.

Funny thing is that he is a former Obama appointee that champions extending the EIC along the lines Obama wanted to do (on a larger scale though) back in 2007. TYT is championing the dude for finally bringing progressive ideas to the table, since corporate Dems like Obama and Clinton weren't.

My eyes couldn't roll fast enough.

 

[rolaholic]

Speaking of...I really hope to see Obama on the campaign trail next year .

Regardless of how some folks on the left might feel about him,dude is one of the few remaining politicians on that side of the aisle that can really energize the base. I'm talking about the base in a broad sense,not just ideologues who make up a small percentage of them.

Think it'd be great for him legacy wise too if he managed to help contribute to the Dems hopeful resurrection in the midterms and helped restore some legit checks and balances on this plutocratic executive branch

 

[RustyShackleford]

I know Obeezy gonna be in Nevada heavy for that Senate race.

Harry Reid gonna make sure of that. I heard Reid is in the Nevada mountains polishing the yoppa as we speak. Famb knows he is one election away from turning the state fully blue.

The scumbag left can kick a cactus for all I care.

 

[Nike Jordan]

 

[dreamer23]

 

[rolaholic]

I know Obeezy gonna be in Nevada heavy for that Senate race.

Harry Reid gonna make sure of that. I heard Reid is in the Nevada mountains polishing the yoppa as we speak. Famb knows he is one election away from turning the state fully blue.

The scumbag left can kick a cactus for all I care.

Gonna need him at every close race with a GOP incumbent

If there's one thing everyone regardless of left or right can agree on is that the man is one of the GOAT campaigners,hardly ever left a town hall unchecked on the campaign trail

 

[RustyShackleford]

Been meaning to share this, it is one of the better discussion I have heard about the election and the issues surrounding it.



Chris Hayes is aging like he got Asian in him. How the **** is that man 38.

 

[rolaholic]

Quite the panel there...gonna need to check it out when I get home. Covering the buffoonery going on on a daily basis has to have Hayes stressed

 

[RustyShackleford]

I know Obeezy gonna be in Nevada heavy for that Senate race.

Harry Reid gonna make sure of that. I heard Reid is in the Nevada mountains polishing the yoppa as we speak. Famb knows he is one election away from turning the state fully blue.

The scumbag left can kick a cactus for all I care.

Gonna need him at every close race with a GOP incumbent

If there's one thing everyone regardless of left or right can agree on is that dude is one of the GOAT campaigners,hardly ever left a town hall unchecked on the campaign trail

Nevada is one place the Dems can pick up a Senate seat. The incumbent is not that popular, he might not even run for office again, he might run for Governor.

Our Governor is a moderate that is term limited, and could win the Senate seat, but then again word is that he might want out from under Sheldon Adelson's thumb.

 

[EddieDoyers]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...6e0451a96fd_story.html?utm_term=.53476374f133

Supreme Court’s Roberts: ‘Uncertainty’ sinks voter ID appeal

RALEIGH, N.C. — The Supreme Court shut the door Monday on North Carolina Republicans’ effort to revive a state law that mandated voter identification and scaled back early voting, provisions that a lower court said improperly targeted minority voters.

The justices left in place last summer’s ruling by the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals striking down the law’s photo ID requirement to vote in person, which the court said targeted African-Americans “with almost surgical precision.”

The measure, approved in 2013 by the state’s Republican-dominated legislature in 2013, also reduced the number of early voting days and prohibited same-day registration during the early voting period. Supporters said the measure was necessary to crack down on voter fraud, but opponents said the changes discourage voting by black and Hispanic residents, who use early voting or same-day registration more than white voters and are more likely to lack photo ID.

The North Carolina dispute is similar to a court fight over Texas’ voter ID law, which was also struck down as racially discriminatory. The Texas case is making its way through the lower courts and could be the high court’s next opportunity to weigh in.

Chief Justice John Roberts cautioned Monday in the two-page order that the rejection of the appeal is not a comment on the court’s view about the substance of the law. Thirty-two states already have some kind of voter ID law in force, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

That word of caution seemed to hearten North Carolina’s Republican leaders, who pledged to take another crack at passing a voter ID requirement.

State House Speaker Tim Moore and Senate leader Phil Berger said in a statement that “Republican legislators will continue fighting to protect the integrity of our elections by implementing the commonsense requirement to show a photo ID when we vote.”

Roberts wrote the political situation created uncertainty over who is authorized to seek review of the lower court ruling. The appeal was first filed when Republican Pat McCrory was governor; Democratic Gov. Roy Cooper and Attorney General Josh Stein then tried to withdraw it.

The high court decision drew praise from Democrats and other plaintiffs in the case.

Cooper said in a statement that Monday’s “announcement is good news for North Carolina voters. We need to be making it easier to vote, not harder.”

The Rev. William Barber, president of the North Carolina NAACP said it’s time for Republicans to stop proposing new restrictions.

“We urge the General Assembly to finally accept that racially discriminatory laws have no place in our democracy, and certainly not when it comes to the sacred right to vote,” Barber said.

Republicans in North Carolina and Texas moved to enact new voting measures after the Supreme Court in 2013 struck down a provision of the federal Voting Rights Act that had required them to get advance approval before changing laws dealing with elections. Voters, civil rights groups and the Obama administration quickly filed lawsuits challenging the new laws.

Shortly before President Donald Trump took office in January, the Justice Department urged the Supreme Court to reject the North Carolina appeal.

When the law passed in July 2013, North Carolina Republicans said that requiring voter ID will increase the integrity of elections. But the 4th U.S. Circuit said last July that the state provided no evidence of the kind of in-person voter fraud the ID mandate would address.

The Richmond, Virginia-based court said the law was enacted with intentional bias against black voters. The law had been amended in 2015 to include a method for people unable to get a photo ID to still vote.

Following the appellate ruling, the state asked the high court to allow the challenged provisions to remain in effect in November’s election. The justices rejected the request by virtue of a 4-4 tie on most of the challenged provisions, with the four more conservative justices supporting the state’s bid.

 

[green rhino123]

I see where you're coming from but you don't seem to reciprocate that when Ninja crosses the line far beyond petty insults.
As you may have noticed in this thread, most of the conservative posters in here are perm banned for racist remarks. So it's tough to judge our tolerance for opposing views when the vast majority of opposing views came from racists and bigots, hence why they are now banned.

I'm not a republican or conservative and do not express those views here. I did not vote for Trump.

All it takes to be labeled one I guess is to disagree with someone in here.

So stop conflating & generalizing please. Although I believe you know what you are doing.

 

[green rhino123]

I do agree that attacks on Ninja's living situation are crossing the line and I have even defended him on that but that doesn't stop him from repeatedly mocking my chronic disease and nationality in the past and mocking my disability on at least 2 separate occasions. I don't report personal insults as they don't bother me but I don't think you're seeing the full picture of Ninja here.

Also - I may have been the first one in this thread to ask specifically what you ailment was because when I did - a lot of regular posters had no idea until you explained. In other words - I reached out to you with empathy at a level above most of the regulars in here. You may or may not remember.
You should already respect me enough to not put words or ideas in my mouth or pigeon hole me.

^ This has nothing to do with ninja.

 

[everysingletime]

Werd. Ninja is not a Saint. Don't fall for it when he plays victim lol

 

[aepps20]

Da Libbie Echo Chamber is in full effect B. TOOO MANY SUSPECTED LIBBIE SYMPATHIZERS in here B.

 

[Armada]

Been meaning to share this, it is one of the better discussion I have heard about the election and the issues surrounding it.
Chris Hayes is aging like he got Asian in him. How the **** is that man 38.

Watching for the first time now. Many when they where talking about how people treat Racism, sexism etc as if its just about manners and not something larger than that is so true and something ive felt but not been able to word the way they did it.

 

[Belgium]

I'm not a republican or conservative and do not express those views here. I did not vote for Trump.

All it takes to be labeled one I guess is to disagree with someone in here.

So stop conflating & generalizing please. Although I believe you know what you are doing.

When did I say you are amongst those people? I have no issue with you. I was pointing out that to the best of my awareness I have not seen you come to our defense when Ninja mocks black people's struggles, ... If I'm wrong, my apologies.

I'm saying the opposing views argument can't really be judged accurately because we simply haven't had a good sample size of opposing views that don't devolve in bigotry. Hence the long list of perm banned conservatives. Those people had opposing views and they were labeled bigots because that's what they were. They're banned for exactly that reason.

I welcome conservatives and opposing views, that's healthy for discussion. We can probably all agree on that.

We have our disagreements on the left but it's not really the same as arguing with people of an opposing ideology.

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Also - I may have been the first one in this thread to ask specifically what you ailment was because when I did - a lot of regular posters had no idea until you explained. In other words - I reached out to you with empathy at a level above most of the regulars in here. You may or may not remember.
You should already respect me enough to not put words or ideas in my mouth or pigeon hole me.

^ This has nothing to do with ninja.

I don't specifically recall that instance but I do know that you were supportive and never made any negative remarks about it or questioned it, and I appreciate that. The negative remarks about it at the time came pretty much exclusively from Blco2, CL-1B, Ninja and to a lesser extent Rico x Hood but he came around and we squashed those disagreements.

I recall explaining my situation because those members kept making remarks like "go mind your own country's business" or questioning my commitment to my own country because of the time I spend here. It became a bit tiring so I felt like I had to explain my abundance of spare time as a result of my disease.

As I mentioned before, I have no issue with you. I'm also not sure what you mean by putting words in your mouth.

I brought up Ninja because the "opposing views are labeled as bigots" argument usually comes when Ninja is called a bigot or racist.

He has demonstrated he is well qualified to be labeled a bigot. His political affiliation doesn't really have anything to do with that.

If he was a liberal making those same disparaging comments about black people, the LGBT community, the disabled, parroting white supremacist talking points, ... than he'd still be a bigot. Political affiliation has no relevance in qualifying for the label of bigot. Or at least it shouldn't be. The rhetoric and views are what matter.

Generally speaking the term bigot does get overused by people, there's no denying that. But I don't think anyone in this thread has been falsely labeled as one.

 

[dreamer23]

Now that CNN is reporting that Trump will likely appoint Callista Gingrich the next ambassador to the Vatican, I have an excuse to serve you a delicious anecdote I've been hoarding for weeks.
About six weeks ago, the President was kibitzing about the Vatican ambassador role. Trump told our source he was reluctant to send Callista to the Vatican because he likes seeing her husband Newt defending him on TV. Our source told the President they were sure satellite hook-ups could be arranged for Newt at the Holy See.

 

[everysingletime]

To piggyback on your post, Colombia, I do agree that the word bigot is overused.

Do I think every bigot voted for Trump? Yes.

Do I think every Trump voter is a bigot? No.

I think tons of ppl have their heads in the sand and don't even realize it.

 

[ninjahood]

all these words just to say what i been saying for months....if da left wants power back, economic plans come first, their little pet social justice projects come after...

them not holding purity tests on whether Democrats are pro-life or not is da lowest hanging fruit.