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Anyone care to give their opinion on what Trump & his cabinet's relationship is with Putin & Russia?
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Like a serious clear opinion. Not a cartoon of Trump jerking off to Putin hunting topless or anything along those lines.
I'll play. With the information we know now we know Russia interfered in our election to favor it for Trump winning what we don't know yet is if there was collusion. Guys like Flynn, Manafort, Sessions have been shown to have links to Russia and Russian intelligence Trump has been shown to have potential business ties in Russia. At this point I do not think it is out of the realm of possibility that Trumps campaign and maybe even he himself colluded with Russia in tapering with our election. If the investigation shows that punishment needs to happen because helping a foreign enemy influence our presidential election in their favor is grounds for treason
 
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I am a douche bag to people that come in hear to intentionally antagonize or spew bigotry. I'm sorry if you an Ninja fall into those categories.


You mean bigotry like racial or just intolerance toward those with different opinions?

I can't speak for ninja (and I don't want to) on racial bigotry but I'm not spewing it in here.

As far as the second form - that's you in a nutshell b. Guess you can't be a douche to yourself but you could try to approach something resembling tolerance.
 
Anyone care to give their opinion on what Trump & his cabinet's relationship is with Putin & Russia? 8o

Like a serious clear opinion. Not a cartoon of Trump jerking off to Putin hunting topless or anything along those lines.

https://qz.com/982606/all-the-times...he-trump-organizations-russian-business-ties/

Relevant parts

* $12.2 million in foreign income earned by Trump’s Miss Universe pageant in 2013, a “substantial portion” of which came from holding the annual pageant in Moscow.

*A Florida estate Trump Properties sold to a Russian billionaire in 2008 for $95 million, that it had purchased three years before for $41 million.

*Unspecified income from sales of goods or services to “Russians or Russian entities,” including sales or rentals of “condominiums, hotel rooms, rounds of golf, books, or Trump-licensed products,” which have never been separately identified on Trump’s tax returns as coming from Russian sources. Those amounts are “immaterial,” the lawyers write, without explaining how they came to that conclusion.

While Trump denied Russian business ties during his election campaign, he and his children have in fact spent the past decade talking openly about the Trump Organization’s business ties to Russia. As Quartz outlined earlier, they have bragged on several occasions about how much money they were making from Russian investors. Trump also made “hundreds of millions of dollars” from Russian businessmen, Sergei Millian, the head of a US-Russia business group who worked with Trump to market properties to Russians, told ABC last September.

Trump has been trying to invest in Russia since visiting Moscow with then-wife Ivana in 1987, but has failed at setting up a Trump-brand property there. Still, Trump told Russian journalists in 2008 (link in Russian) “I’ve always had very successful business relations with Russian,” and went on to mention the 2008 property sale.

Trump’s sons have also been vocal about the family’s business ties to Russia. His eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., told attendees at a September 2008 real estate conference in New York that he’d been to Russia six times in the previous 18 months, with great success. He said:

"In terms of high-end product influx into the US, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets; say in Dubai, and certainly with our project in SoHo and anywhere in New York. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia."

Eric Trump, the president’s middle son, told a Russian journalist (link in Russian) in an undated interview (likely between 2005 and 2010) that “most of our buyers are foreign, among which there are very many Russians,” referring to the Trump Soho condos.

The Miss Universe pageant funding mentioned by Morgan, Lewis, & Bockius came from Aras Agalarov, a Russian real estate billionaire connected with the upper echelons of the Kremlin (link in Russian), who paid $14 million for the contest to be held in Moscow in 2013. While Trump was in Moscow, Agalarov also arranged a meeting for him with Herman Gref, formerly Putin’s economy minister, who is now CEO of state-controlled Sberbank, the country’s biggest bank.

When Trump returned to New York, he and Agalarov told Real Estate Weekly they planned to replicate Trump Soho in Moscow. “The Russian market is attracted to me,” Trump reportedly said. “I have a great relationship with many Russians, and almost all of the oligarchs were in the room.”

Even more recently, in 2014, Eric Trump told reporter James Dodson during a golf game that “we have all the funding we need out of Russia,” according to Dodson’s account to NPR. Dodson said Eric told him: “We’ve got some guys that really, really love golf, and they’re really invested in our programs. We just go there all the time.” (Eric called the account “Fake News” this week on Twitter).

This is strictly the Trump org too,not even mentioning his cabinet and campaign members Russian ties which have been made public like Flynn,Manafort,Tillerson,Page etc. It's a literal web of ties :lol

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-relationships-between-team-trump-and-russia/

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/politics/trump-russia-connections/
 
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Truth approval rating have probably bottomed out for now.

It is horrid with Democrats, which is expected,

Weak with independents, understandable

But he is still very popular with Republicans. Republican tribalism is keeping him alive right now. Like I said before, it when Trump becomes unpopular with the base then he is in big trouble. Because that is when the GOP will no longer give him cover. Then you will see his rating tank into Bush territory.

-And to be honest, if this was like 40 years ago, Trump would probably be getting impeached right now. Not over Russia, firing Comey would have probably done it.
 
Anyone care to give their opinion on what Trump & his cabinet's relationship is with Putin & Russia? 8o

Like a serious clear opinion. Not a cartoon of Trump jerking off to Putin hunting topless or anything along those lines.
There are countless long-form articles that have delved into this.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/13/donald-trumps-worst-deal

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/06/trump-putin-and-the-new-cold-war

And so on.

If you want my personal "opinion," well it's clear that a) there are a disturbingly large number of connections between trump/trump's team and shady Russians. b) trump has acted consistently and decisively over the past couple years to defend russia/putin in inexplicable ways (unless you factor in that he is working with the russians).

Now what is the nature of this exactly? Well trump and his people have business ties to russia. Unless you live under a rock, you're probably familiar with the longstanding shady dealing of trump inc with the russians. This started decades ago when trump could no longer get financial backing for his multiple failed business operations from reputable sources. So instead he turned to rich Russians to provide loans/financial backing for more of his failed enterprises.

This could have been innocent but we know it's not. It's why trump won't release his tax returns.

Now, it's not clear what exactly drove trump to run for president. But what is clear is that there is a network of actors, both national (Mercer) and foreign (Russia, etc), who have been actively working to influence elections in democratic nations across the world (France, England, USA, etc.). This is known fact. We also know these actors helped the trump campaign this past year. This is known fact.

Multiple shady characters have been on team trump, and all of them have been shown to be cooperating with russia on some level. These include Roger Stone, Rex Tillerson, Manafort, Flynn, and others. Fact.

We also know, for a fact, that Obama, the FBI, the CIA, the Justice Department, British intel, and many others have taken this behavior seriously enough to launch in-depth investigations, and these investigations have been going on for at least a year, if not for years.

So how exactly this all got coordinated, I don't know. But I hopefully don't need to hold your hand any longer.


One more thing: at this point, the cover-up is becoming just as bad as the presumed collusion. Both are grounds for treason/impeachment.
 
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Whether Trump can fire the FBI director (which he seems to have) isn't the most important thing I get from that tweet.

Branding Trump the CEO of The Country and putting that approach out there in the media is conditioning folks to view him/perceive him and the position closer to a dictatorship than before. Which I don't like at all.
 
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You realize we can read your previous posts right?
It starts with this:

Good lord




To which Rusty responds:

Why the **** did he agree with her? Trump, nor any president should be able to hire and fire whomever they want.


Why the hell do we have a confirmation process then?



Nicki Haley is supposedly one of the "good ones" (she is horrible btw) an she is on TV talking like it is a positive that Trump acts like a dictator :rolleyes :{
I'll probably need to explain this to you but the "Why the **** did he agree with her" is in response to the interviewer agreeing with Haley's statement that the president can fire and fire whoever he wants.


since its a political show, its implied da audience KNOWS thats they're speaking within da context of da executive branch.

you wanna go on another tangent that no one is asking you to do. :lol
 
I am a douche bag to people that come in hear to intentionally antagonize or spew bigotry. I'm sorry if you an Ninja fall into those categories.


You mean bigotry like racial or just intolerance toward those with different opinions?

I can't speak for ninja (and I don't want to) on racial bigotry but I'm not spewing it in here.

As far as the second form - that's you in a nutshell b. Guess you can't be a douche to yourself but you could try to approach something resembling tolerance.

Tolerance of what exactly?

And you are a hypocrite because you don't like my views and you go out of your way to to call me out, not just my tone but my content. Now all of a sudden you want to ride on a high horse and tell me I need to soften my tone.

Most of the dudes on the right that have been in this thread recently ended up being vile bigots. Ninja's resume is not clean in that area either. You haven't crossed that like but you saying popping up every once in a while to play contrarian and pass judgment on people's comments.

-And btw, challenging someones viewpoint is not being intolerant. I do it with people that generally agree with me on most issues as well. I have debated with dudes on the right and left of my on issues.

It is just that some dues, especially you, feel that no one should ever disagree with a comment they make, they never want to be challenged, you don't want to debate or discuss. So you call it intolerance, when in reality you just can't handle someone challenging you position.
 
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I know about the media & have done some of my own research but thank you for your opinions.

Was not looking for links and articles. ;)
 
I mean you don't find ANY of that to be implicating multiple conflicts of interest??

Even the complete 180 on US-Russo ties since the man took office...

There's smoke legitimately everywhere and the Comey firing has exasperated it all.
 
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Truth approval rating have probably bottomed out for now.


It is horrid with Democrats, which is expected,


Weak with independents, understandable


But he is still very popular with Republicans. Republican tribalism is keeping him alive right now. Like I said before, it when Trump becomes unpopular with the base then he is in big trouble. Because that is when the GOP will no longer give him cover. Then you will see his rating tank into Bush territory.


-And to be honest, if this was like 40 years ago, Trump would probably be getting impeached right now. Not over Russia, firing Comey would have probably done it.

I blame them Repubs. more than I do Trump cause they putting their own greedy, racist, wanna get back at Obama priorities over the good of this country... they are single handedly ripping this country apart... and who's gonna suffer from their incompetence? Our children and grandchildren... these fools don't even wanna do anything about Global Warming... SMH
 
You mean bigotry like racial or just intolerance toward those with different opinions?

I can't speak for ninja (and I don't want to) on racial bigotry but I'm not spewing it in here.

As far as the second form - that's you in a nutshell b. Guess you can't be a douche to yourself but you could try to approach something resembling tolerance.

Da rookie rusty needs to tolerate da ninja's intolerance b

Libbies always want people to be educated on topics before discussing them :rolleyes
 
Most of the dudes on the right that have been in this thread recently ended up being vile bigots. Ninja's resume is not clean in that area either. You haven't crossed that like line but you saying popping up every once in a while to play contrarian and pass judgment on people's comments.

It is just that some dues, especially you, feel that no one should ever disagree with a comment they make, they never want to be challenged, you don't want to debate or discuss. So you call it intolerance, when in reality you just can't handle someone challenging you position.


Well at least thank you for that (in bold) Hope to never see you there (the line) with badge and gun.

But I disagree with the last part.
 
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since its a political show, its implied da audience KNOWS thats they're speaking within da context of da executive branch.


you wanna go on another tangent that no one is asking you to do.
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you giving these idiot Trump supporters too much credit Slim... I'm not too sure they can...
 
I mean you don't find ANY of that to be implicating multiple conflicts of interest??

Even the complete 180 on US-Russo ties since the man took office...

There's smoke everywhere and the Comey firing exasberated it all

Trump voters have zero understanding about US history. The historical republicans that Trump voters jack off to on a daily basis would have never stood for this in the Cold War era (which lasted for almost half a century, or in NH math, 10 years).
 
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Many of us in this thread were even sounding the alarm about all the Russia ties during the campaign season too before it was really being covered in the press so I don't get dudes insinuation of folks following what the news tells us to follow :lol
 
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I mean you don't find ANY of that to be implicating multiple conflicts of interest??

Even the complete 180 on US-Russo ties since the man took office...

There's smoke everywhere and the Comey firing exasberated it all

Trump voters have zero understanding about US history. The historical republicans that Trump voters jack off to on a daily basis would have never stood for this in the Cold War era (which lasted for almost half a century, or in NH math, 10 years).

To paraphrase Obama, GOP deity Reagan would be rolling in his grave at this whole mess
 
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I didn't link you any articles and gave you my opinion based on the facts we know currently. What are you talking about


And I thanked you for that. (And repped you)

I didn't just quote you and others on that page did post articles/links.

Clear?
 
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with 24/7 negative coverage, that's actually fantastic. da numbers came out after Comey's firing and it did absolutely nothing to da numbers.


:lol

its true.. these numbers are after da coverage on da election season, after green lighting both keystone & dakota, travel bans, Nazi reference, etc.

da fact that it hasn't moved at all shows people's opinions are trenched already.. nothing is changing either way.
 
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