***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[AEA18]

Damn shame what you've all done to my thread.

You still owe rookie rusty an economics fade.

Did you find Rubio's backbone in the DBZ thread?

 

[IATT]

 

[AEA18]

I wonder if faux news knows that Superman is played by a British actor

 

[Belgium]

complex story behind the latest van-into-crowd terrorist attack in London

target was an area full of mosques.

rip to the victims. but also I'm just dumfounded by this quote:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/18/europe/urgent---london-vehicle-collision/index.html

It is officially a terrorist attack. It took some time to announce that but hey it's a start. Sadly many people do believe that somehow only muslims/people of color can be terrorists. 

 

[AEA18]

Richard Dien Winfield, a progressive philosophy professor, talks to Paul Jay about his platform and about exploring a run for Congress in Georgia

Rep. Gwen Moore tells Paul Jay of her journey from poverty to Congress, and how Bill Clinton's welfare reforms and corporate Democrats refusal to deal with chronic poverty, has allowed the GOP to obstruct legislation that would bring millions out of deep poverty

 

[leavemeglazzies]

Damn shame what you've all done to my thread.

MAKE THIS THREAD GREAT AGAIN

 

[Belgium]

There's no real universal agreement on what constitutes as terrorism unfortunately.  I believe that all violent attacks in the pursuit of terrorizing civilians in general or specific groups of civilians for political, religious or ideological reasons constitutes as terrorism. Someone like Dylan Roof who murdered numerous black people with clear intent to terrorize the black community is obviously a terrorist to me. This latest London attack clearly fits that description.

That's how I see it, whether the attacker is white, black, muslim, christian or whatever else. Terrorism is terrorism. 

 

[handullz]

You complain of a running joke and that there is no actual content being posted, but you guys don't post anything of substance either. You gonna walk the talk or just talk the talk?

Player hatin from the sideline

Didn't you want more balanced posts instead of the "liberal echo chamber"?

Hit dog gonna holler

*shrugs*

 

[AEA18]

I knew you were referring to my post because it was the last satirical post before Timid made his post.

[@]handullz[/@ ] You should post something to get the thread back on track if you feel it has gone off the rails.

 

[AEA18]

Scott Pruitt, Trump's director of the Environmental Protection Agency, presents massive budget cuts to the agency, which will reorientation of the EPA's purpose, explains Janet Redman of Oil Change International

 

[Belgium]

This could get ugly.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-usa-idUSKBN1990XI

U.S. warplane downs Syrian army jet in Raqqa province

A U.S. warplane shot down a Syrian army jet on Sunday in the southern Raqqa countryside, with Washington saying the jet had dropped bombs near U.S.-backed forces and Damascus saying the plane was downed while flying a mission against Islamic State militants.

A Syrian army statement released on Syrian state television said the plane crashed and the pilot was missing in the first such downing of a Syrian jet by the United States since the start of the conflict in 2011.

The army statement said it took place on Sunday afternoon near a village called Rasafah.

The "flagrant attack was an attempt to undermine the efforts of the army as the only effective force capable with its allies ... in fighting terrorism across its territory," the Syrian army said.

"This comes at a time when the Syrian army and its allies were making clear advances in fighting the Daesh (Islamic State) terrorist group," it added.

The U.S. Central Command later issued a statement saying the Syrian plane was downed "in collective self-defense of Coalition-partnered forces," identified as fighters of the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) near Tabqah.

It said that "pro-Syrian regime forces" had earlier attacked an SDF-held town south of Tabqa and wounded a number of fighters, driving them from the town.

Coalition aircraft in a show of force stopped the initial advance. When a Syrian army SU-22 jet later dropped bombs near the U.S.-backed forces, it was immediately shot down by a U.S. F/A-18E Super Hornet, the statement said.

Before it downed the plane, the coalition had "contacted its Russian counterparts by telephone via an established "de-confliction line" to de-escalate the situation and stop the firing."

The coalition does "not seek to fight the Syrian regime, Russian or pro-regime forces" but would not "hesitate to defend itself or its "partnered forces from any threat," the statement said.

The U.S.-led coalition has in recent weeks escalated its aerial bombing campaign in northern Syria and Raqqa province. U.S.-backed forces have encircled the city of Raqqa and captured several districts from the militants.

The Syrian army, which has been taking territory from retreating Islamic State militants in the eastern Aleppo countryside, has moved into Raqqa province and seized back some oil fields and villages that had been under the militants' control for almost three years.

An SDF official told Reuters the Syrian army had been engaged in skirmishes in recent days with U.S.-backed forces near the town of Maskaneh close to the borders of Raqqa province, much of which is now held by U.S.-backed groups fighting Islamic State.

The Syrian army backed by Iranian-backed militias has also been in competition in southeastern Syria with U.S.-backed Free Syrian Army (FSA) rebels who are also trying to recapture territory from Islamic State.

On several occasions in recent weeks, warplanes of the U.S.-led coalition have also struck pro-government forces to prevent them advancing from a U.S.-controlled garrison in southeastern Syria at a spot where the country's borders join with Iraq and Jordan.

Washington also described those strikes as self-defense.

https://apnews.com/35ea1dae18c94c52...n=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

 
Russia’s defense ministry says it will treat U.S.-led coalition planes in Syria, west of the Euphrates River, as targets after the U.S. military shot down a Syrian Air Force jet on Sunday.

Moscow has condemned the U.S. downing of the Syrian government fighter jet after it dropped bombs nears U.S. partner forces.

The Russian defense ministry says in a statement that, starting Monday, it will track all jets and drones of the U.S.-led coalition west of the Euphrates and treat them as targets.

The ministry also called on the U.S. military to provide a full account of why it decided to shoot down the Syrian SU-22.

Russia, a key backer of Syrian President Bashar Assad, has been providing an air cover to the government’s offensive on the Islamic State group since 2015.

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2:40 p.m.

Russia’s defense ministry says it is suspending coordination with the United States in Syria over so-called “de-confliction zones” after the Americans downed a Syrian government fighter jet.

The United States and Russia, which has been providing an air cover for Syria’s President Bashar Assad since 2015 in his offensive against the Islamic State group, have a standing agreement that should prevent in-the-air incidents involving U.S. and Russia jets engaged in operations in Syria.

The Russian defense ministry said in a statement on Monday that it was suspending the deal after the U.S. military confirmed that it downed a Syrian Air Force fighter jet on Sunday after it dropped bombs near U.S. partner forces.

The ministry says it views the incident as Washington’s “deliberate failure to make good on its commitments” under the de-confliction deal.

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12:30 p.m.

A top Russian diplomat has condemned the United States for shooting down a Syrian Air Force fighter jet the previous day as an act of “aggression.”

The U.S. military confirmed a U.S. F-18 Super Hornet shot down Sunday a Syrian SU-22 after it dropped bombs near the U.S. partner forces, known as the Syrian Democratic Forces, aligned with the Americans in the fight against the Islamic State group.

Russia has been a staunch supporter of Syria’s beleaguered President Bashar Assad and has been providing an air cover for this offensive since 2015.

Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov told Russian news agencies on Monday that the downing was akin to “helping the terrorists that the U.S. is fighting against.”

Ryabkov asks: “What is this, if not an act of aggression?”

 

[harlemtothebronx]

Damn shame what you've all done to my thread.

This thread was dead back in summer '16. Only difference was those of us on the opposite end of the argument were banging their proverbial heads on the wall hoping that someone arguing in defense of Trump would let some logic and critical thinking shine though. I think we all kind of learned through experience over the last year+ that some people are beyond discourse, and furthermore not worth the effort of engaging.

 

[RustyShackleford]

This thread really fell off real talk. Folk used to talk about real politicial issues. Now it's turned into the impersonate ninja thread smh.

The d-riding is bananas.

It was funny when it was one or two and it was sporadic and unplanned.

When everyone does it it gets lame quick as hell.

Some of y'all need a good 30 minutes, a decent sink, and some Clearisil.

Coming from one person that has ranted in here so much about nonsense to the point the whole thread has to stop as address his concerns constantly. No one enjoys that nonsense either

And another whose only contribution in here is passing judgment on other posters, like mocking us for even caring about politics just months ago. But will get upset in an instant if someone challenges any he says.

How about the two of you do better and start contributing something positive to this thread first. That would be a refreshing change of pace.

 

[gry60]

Damn shame what you've all done to my thread.

This thread was dead back in summer '16. Only difference was those of us on the opposite end of the argument were banging their proverbial heads on the wall hoping that someone arguing in defense of Trump would let some logic and critical thinking shine though. I think we all kind of learned through experience over the last year+ that some people are beyond discourse, and furthermore not worth the effort of engaging.

QFE

We didn't cause the hiring freeze...

We aren't about to cut 23 million people off all kinds of health coverage

We aren't going to deeducate the next generation of Americans.

We aren't going to send 4000 people to their deaths in Afghanistan

We didn't support an entitled moron who thinks he is blameless

We're just watching and laughing when we're not shaking our heads

Because "we told you so"

 

[RustyShackleford]

Damn shame what you've all done to my thread.

Ready to educate me on economics?

Me and Paul have been waiting

 

[seandon23]

Rico byke? 

 

[Belgium]

Hit dog gonna holler

*shrugs*

Alright then. What are your thoughts on this this ongoing debate? Homosexuality is a tough subject for a lot of people. Whether republicans/conservative voters have a strong dislike for the LGBT community or not, they are at the very least ignorant of the GOP policies or ok with not granting equal rights to the LGBT community, as that is an explicit part of the republican platform and legislative goals. Ninjahood for example has stated he doesn't give a damn about LGBT rights after repeatedly questioning him on the very anti-gay rhetoric in the 2016 GOP platform. He has also tried to establish some kind of strong link between the LGBT community and NAMBLA.

In its initial form, the platform contained parts like describing LGBT protections from discrimination as "the government discriminating against businesses". As well as the usual "gays aren't natural", overturning gay marriage, the "destruction of the nuclear family due to homosexuality", ... etc.

I know they altered or removed several parts since then. But it's strongly anti-LGBT either way.

https://www.apnews.com/feac3e13ae27...stian-school-at-center-of-LGBT-voucher-debate

Education sec. Betsy Devos was recently grilled in a senate education budget on whether schools receiving federal funds should be able to discriminate against LGBT students. It was a simple yes or no question. She repeatedly refused to give a direct answer.

Indiana Christian school at center of LGBT voucher debate

The Lighthouse Christian Academy promises to provide an exemplary education, a caring atmosphere and service to God — but not for everyone. The school says in its admissions brochure that it reserves the right to deny admission to LGBT students because their lifestyle is prohibited by the Bible.

As the Trump administration seeks to expand school choice nationwide, the academy was thrust into the national spotlight last month as part of a heated debate over whether schools that receive money from taxpayer-funded vouchers can discriminate against certain groups of students, such as LGBT children or students with disabilities.

Lighthouse officials say they’ve never turned anyone away based on sexual orientation. But at a congressional hearing, Senate Democrats cited it as an example of a school that discriminates against LGBT students. A Lighthouse brochure says the Bible does not allow homosexual, bisexual or “any form of sexual immorality” and if a student’s “home life” violates biblical rules, the school can deny them admission or expel them.

Pressed on the issue, Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, an ardent supporter of school choice, told the Senate committee that discrimination is wrong, but that it was up to Congress and the courts, not her department, to intervene.

Founded in the early 1990s by a tight-knit group of families who wanted an affordable Christian education for their children, the academy is now an academically successful K-12 school serving 300 children in the Bloomington area. About half receive vouchers to help pay an annual tuition that ranges from $4,500 to $6,000 depending on a student’s grade.

This year, Lighthouse received over $665,000 in state funds to enroll 152 students.

DeVos and the Trump administration are strong proponents of giving states a greater role in education. Earlier this year, the administration rescinded former President Barack Obama’s guidance that instructed to schools to let students use school restrooms in accordance with the gender they identify with, not their sex at birth. The move sparked criticism from the civil rights community.

The administration is looking at taxpayer-funded vouchers as a way to expand school choice nationwide, but it has not yet come out with a specific plan on how to do it.

Indiana is one of 30 states that use public money for school choice programs, including vouchers, educational savings accounts and tax-credit scholarships. The District of Columbia has the country’s only federally funded voucher program. All told, some 450,000 students participate nationally.

In a study last year, Indiana University professor Suzanne Eckes found that none of the states with voucher programs prohibits discrimination against LGBT students.

Lighthouse defends its right to educate children according to its values, saying that Christians are state taxpayers, too, and should be allowed to fund institutions of their choice with their money.

“Parents are free to choose which school best comports with their religious convictions,” Brian Bailey, an attorney who is serving as the school’s spokesman, said in a statement. “For a real choice and thus real liberty to exist, the government may not impose its own orthodoxy and homogenize all schools to conform to politically correct attitudes and ideologies.”

Former Lighthouse student Mary Wegener, 24, says some of her classmates at the school were gay and received love and care. Bailey confirmed that the school did admit some students who were “tempted by same-sex intimacy,” saying “we teach our students to flee these sins.”

Wegener sees both sides of the story, but says a religious school cannot function contrary to its core beliefs.

“If they (Lighthouse) are going to be a Christian school, they can’t conform to everything else, because then that would be a private school that knocked out the Christian name.”

Carissa Dollar, 46, of Indianapolis, who has a transgender daughter, is unconvinced.

“I have a problem with public funds going to a private institution who then make decisions that would be discriminatory to any group,” Dollar said. “It’s wrong if an LGBT student, or even if someone in their family identifies on the LGBT spectrum, could be denied admission to the school.”

**** Komer, senior attorney with Institute for Justice, a libertarian public interest law firm, said that federal law has protections against discrimination on the basis of race, national identity, sex and religion, but they do not extend to LGBT individuals.

“If the people who are grilling DeVos believe that sex includes sexual orientation and gender identity, then they should propose amendments to the statues that they have written and given her to enforce,” Komer said. “The Congress is supposed to write the law, the agency is supposed to administer what Congress has given them. And Congress hasn’t given it to them.”

Eckes, the Indiana University professor, said states must create protections to ensure that any benefit they create is available to all. She said that decades ago some private schools used their own interpretation of the Bible to exclude African-American students and federal protections were necessary to stop those practices.

“If you accept public money in the form of a voucher then you shouldn’t be able to discriminate whether it’s based on race, ethnicity, national origin, religion, disability or sexual orientation,” Eckes said. “If you agree to take that public money, then there are certain rules that you need to follow.”

Lindsey Burke, director of education policy studies at the conservative Heritage Foundation, disagrees.

“Racism was based on identity and skin color and had no reasonable basis,” Burke said. “This is about whether a student, a family is going to live out their communal beliefs of the school that they have chosen to attend. These are intentional communities that are built upon a moral code that they have decided on.”

Lily Eskelsen García, president of the National Education Association, the country’s largest teachers’ union, said the Trump administration’s attempt to fund private schools takes away money from public schools, where discrimination is not allowed.

“Every child, every blessed child has the legal, civil and the human right to attend their public school, but no one can say that about a private school,” Eskelsen Garcia said. “Why would you get public dollars to a school that discriminates against students?”

Other than a few muslims I personally don't know any religious people under the age of 50. Religion is thankfully dying, though we never really had the evangelical biblethumping nutjob types around here. I went to a catholic elementary school and a catholic highschool. My catholic elementary school offered an alternative class for those who didn't want to partake in catholic class. Ironically it was called "ethics class", translated literally, but it ranged from learning about the various main religions, art, philosophy, ...

Every student thought the catholic class was bs and boring but they stuck with it for the communion gifts or because of their parents. The school was very much aware that nobody was actually christian. I never heard any anti-gay rhetoric from that school.

The same went for my highschool. Our religion class had slightly more focus on christianity but we also thoroughly learned about the other main religions/spiritual beliefs. Including hinduism and buddhism. Our teacher was a devout christian and made no effort to "convert" anyone, knowing that practically everyone saw organized religion as nonsense. The few gay students at our school were treated very well, some were even quite popular, and our religion teacher was supportive of equal rights. She strongly disagreed with the idea of creationism, the earth being 6000 years old, gays being "abominations", etc. She was also personally against abortion but has no problem with the pro-choice law.

Though I suppose that also has a lot to do that Belgium was a very early supporter of abortion, gay marriage, euthanasia, ... things like that. And religion has been on a steady decline for many years. Christianity anyway, Islam is still quite popular with our middle eastern population. Even in the late 90s the churches were already half empty in my area.

Edit: Excerpts of GOP platform listed in separate post below

 

[handullz]

I knew you were referring to my post because it was the last satirical post before Timid made his post.

[@]handullz[/@ ] You should post something to get the thread back on track if you feel it has gone off the rails.

Nah

I'll just let y'all fight over ninjahood's attention.

Cats sounding like they have a crush on a girl but can't articulate their feelings so instead, call her names.

Again, it's funny when it's a few posts here and there...

But when 20 out of 30 posts on a page say "da coal b," it's somewhat jumped the shark.

 

[harlemtothebronx]

 

This thread really fell off real talk. Folk used to talk about real politicial issues. Now it's turned into the impersonate ninja thread smh.

The d-riding is bananas.

It was funny when it was one or two and it was sporadic and unplanned.

When everyone does it it gets lame quick as hell.

Some of y'all need a good 30 minutes, a decent sink, and some Clearisil.

It's less about having a healthy laugh, and more about pushing the ridiculousness as far as humanly possible, because reality has made satire very difficult.

Honestly, the saddest part about it all is that it's barely funny because there are huge groups of Americans who think and speak in this exact same way. 'Lib ****s', 'snowflakes' etc. I've even seen a few here throwing around Trump's talking points. We've tried to honestly and respectfully engage. We've been left with no options other than to mock how ridiculous political discussion has started to sound.

So while some of y'all want to defend ninja, and say that we're taking personal shots at him left and right, ninja is just one of millions of Americans who engage in this way. If the shoe fits, I suppose. But people like ninja are very prominent in political discussion, because a lot of the major conservative talking points are being pushed forward by The Celebrity Apprentice host.

You'll be aight, though.

 

[harlemtothebronx]

 

I knew you were referring to my post because it was the last satirical post before Timid made his post.

@handullz You should post something to get the thread back on track if you feel it has gone off the rails.

Nah

I'll just let y'all fight over ninjahood's attention.

Cats sounding like they have a crush on a girl but can't articulate their feelings so instead, call her names.

Again, it's funny when it's a few posts here and there...

But when 20 out of 30 posts on a page say "da coal b," it's somewhat jumped the shark.

You could always skip over the posts you don't like. It's something I had to learn to do in this thread over the last year. Very useful.

 

[Belgium]

Cutting the GOP platform excerpts into a separate post since it's already quite long:

Edit: A couple examples of the GOP platform:

 We support repeal of the Johnson Amendment, which restricts First Amendment freedoms of all nonprofit organizations by prohibiting political speech. We also support making the federal tax code so simple and easy to understand that the IRS becomes obsolete and can be abolished.

 
Foremost among those institutions is the American family. It is the foundation of civil society, and the cornerstone of the family is natural marriage, the union of one man and one woman. Its daily lessons — cooperation, patience, mutual respect, responsibility, self-reliance — are fundamental to the order and progress of our Republic. Strong families, depending upon God and one another, advance the cause of liberty by lessening the need for government in their daily lives. Conversely, as we have learned over the last five decades, the loss of faith and family life leads to greater dependence upon government. That is why Republicans formulate public policy, from taxation to education, from healthcare to welfare, with attention to the needs and strengths of the family.

It is also why everyone should be concerned about the state of the American family today, not because of ideology or doctrine, but because of the overwhelming evidence of experience, social science, and common sense. All of which give us these truths about traditional marriage: Children raised in a two-parent household tend to be physically and emotionally healthier, more likely to do well in school, less likely to use drugs and alcohol, engage in crime or become pregnant outside of marriage. We oppose policies and laws that create a financial incentive for or encourage cohabitation. Moreover, marriage remains the greatest antidote to child poverty. The 40 percent of children who now are born outside of marriage are five times more likely to live in poverty than youngsters born and raised by a mother and father in the home. Nearly three-quarters of the $450 billion government annually spends on welfare goes to single-parent households. This is what it takes for a governmental village to raise a child, and the village is doing a tragically poor job of it.

The data and the facts lead to an inescapable conclusion: Every child deserves a married mom and dad. The reality remains that millions of American families do not have the advantages that come with that structure. We honor the courageous efforts of those who bear the burdens of parenting alone and embrace the principle that all Americans should be treated with dignity and respect.  But respect is not enough. Our laws and our government’s regulations should recognize marriage as the union of one man and one woman  and actively promote married family life as the basis of a stable and prosperous society. For that reason, as explained elsewhere in this platform, we do not accept the Supreme Court’s redefinition of marriage and we urge its reversal, whether through judicial reconsideration or a constitutional amendment returning control over marriage to the states. We oppose government discrimination against businesses or entities which decline to sell items or services to individuals for activities that go against their religious views about such activities.

 We pledge to defend the religious beliefs and rights of conscience of all Americans and to safeguard religious institutions against government control. We endorse the First Amendment Defense Act, Republican legislation in the House and Senate which will bar government discrimination against individuals and businesses for acting on the belief that marriage is the union of one man and one woman.

 
We the People

We are the party of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. The Declaration sets forth the fundamental precepts of American government: That God bestows certain inalienable rights on every individual, thus producing human equality; that government exists first and foremost to protect those inalienable rights; that man-made law must be consistent with God-given, natural rights; and that if God-given, natural, inalienable rights come in conflict with government, court, or human-granted rights, God-given, natural, inalienable rights always prevail; that there is a moral law recognized as “the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God”

 We reaffirm the Constitution’s fundamental principles: limited government, separation of powers, individual liberty, and the rule of law. We denounce bigotry, racism, anti-Semitism, ethnic prejudice, and religious intolerance.  Therefore, we oppose discrimination based on race, sex, religion, creed, disability, or national origin and support statutes to end such discrimination. 

Defending Marriage Against an Activist Judiciary
Traditional marriage and family, based on marriage between one man and one woman, is the foundation for a free society and has for millennia been entrusted with rearing children and instilling cultural values. We condemn the Supreme Court’s ruling in United States v. Windsor, which wrongly removed the ability of Congress to define marriage policy in federal law. We also condemn the Supreme Court’s lawless ruling in Obergefell v. Hodges, which in the words of the late Justice Antonin Scalia, was a “judicial Putsch” — full of “silly extravagances” — that reduced “the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Storey to the mystical aphorisms of a fortune cookie.” In Obergefell, five unelected lawyers robbed 320 million Americans of their legitimate constitutional authority to define marriage as the union of one man and one woman. The Court twisted the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment beyond recognition. To echo Scalia, we dissent. We, therefore, support the appointment of justices and judges who respect the constitutional limits on their power and respect the authority of the states to decide such fundamental social questions.

 

[whywesteppin]

Just to be clear, da coal train really started with devotion to Benjamin Barson, which had nothing to do with any posters in this thread, no matter how self-important they fashion themselves to be.

Also, as evidenced by the two lengthy segments this week from John Oliver and Bill Maher, the whole coal thing is an international joke that we are all laughing at. Some right-wing posters may have intersected on this viewpoint, but again it goes well beyond them.

Lastly, there has been no drop in serious discussion or news-sharing in this thread. We pretty much live-"tweeted" the entire Comey and Sessions testimonies, for example.

 

[ninjahood]

Player hatin from the sideline

"get your own ish, why ya ridin' mine?"

Damn shame what you've all done to my thread.

just rename it da "liberal/progressive"
politics thread and let em have it.

 

[everysingletime]

Lol Rico contributes more to the dbz thread than this thread

He has no right to complain

 

[RustyShackleford]

Just to be clear, da coal train really started with devotion to Benjamin Barson, which had nothing to do with any posters in this thread, no matter how self-important they fashion themselves to be.

Also, as evidenced by the two lengthy segments this week from John Oliver and Bill Maher, the whole coal thing is an international joke that we are all laughing at. Some right-wing posters may have intersected on this viewpoint, but again it goes well beyond them.

Lastly, there has been no drop in serious discussion or news-sharing in this thread. We pretty much live-"tweeted" the entire Comey and Sessions testimonies, for example.

Yeah @aepps20 started being in character to support Been Barson and dudes would joke with him from time to time. It had nothing to do with Ninja

Then Ninja would make ridiculous post meant to antagonize and dudes took those ridiculous comments and added it to the shtick when they joked with aepps.

I played out of touch liberal and Rex played Centrist to add to the gag. This pops off in here even if the wind has not blown in here for days or weeks.

So maybe the Ninja defense squad in here right now should have paid more attention.