***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[handullz]

Man. Must be nice the world you guys live in.

Ive worked my *** off since age 16. I went from nothing, to something, and I am proud of it. I may only make around 40,000 a year - but I went from loading 18 wheelers to working in an office to selling appliances. Ive taken care of my family, and never complain.

I get that the easy thought process is to say well why cant the government just pay for everything by taxing the rich. Why do athletes make 8 million a year yet a family of 4 cant afford to go to a game. Thats not how it should be

Because we live in a capitalistic society where rate services that people deem as entertainment can charge a premium to enjoy said entertainment, and subsequently, pay said entertainers more money.

Why bring up athletes doe? Why not talk about the CEOs on corporate welfare? Or government officials finessing bribes political contributions out of people?

 

[EddieDoyers]

When you got the AARP fighting against AHCA....you know there's something wrong with the bill

 

[rolaholic]

We might just get single payer after all. 

That'd be one silver lining to the A-unHCA possibly passing,single payer would likely be on the cards as the next alternative but it would still suck to have millions lose their coverage first before making it a reality

All in the name of ******* tax breaks for the wealthy too...

 

[EddieDoyers]

We might just get single payer after all. 

That'd be one silver lining to the A-unHCA possibly passing,single payer would likely be on the cards as the next alternative but it would still suck to have millions lose their coverage first before making it a reality

All in the name of ******* tax breaks for the wealthy too...

How long is that going to take? 7 years? By that time many poor and old people are going to be uninsured before that happens.

 

[quell]

Ddds

 

[RustyShackleford]

I dunno about single payer, but we are gonna have some sort of National option much quicker than it looked like this time last year.

Hey. A cartoon alien **** being jerked off by itself offended the same posters that were upset when French cartoonists were shot up by radical Muslims for depicting Mohammed in cartoon form

Just saying, for those who are following without posting anonymously

"Muh free speech!"

I think ole boy is screaming "Ayúdame Papi de Azúcar.....ayuda"

 

[boris]

Man. Must be nice the world you guys live in.

Ive worked my *** off since age 16. I went from nothing, to something, and I am proud of it. I may only make around 40,000 a year - but I went from loading 18 wheelers to working in an office to selling appliances. Ive taken care of my family, and never complain.

I get that the easy thought process is to say well why cant the government just pay for everything by taxing the rich. Why do athletes make 8 million a year yet a family of 4 cant afford to go to a game. Thats not how it should be, yes. But we run the

So then you should be all for helping people that are currently at nothing.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Ddds

serious question. do you know what the conservative policy ideas are when it comes to healthcare?


ACHA isnt even conservative, the structure of obamacare remains intact, it doesnt even try to fix, the problems you and many people actually have with healthcare...


so unless you have a huge portfolio of captial gains you want a tax cuts on i dont see why a regular working person would support it.

 

[EddieDoyers]

Dawg when someone is telling us we don't care about poor people, yet we vote for policies that will try to bring better healthcare and more social programs to help them progress into at least the middle class or at least give old people an easier life, and still get crapped on, what are we supposed to do? We have try to say our position from a non partisan viewpoint, yet we get attacked with the label "liberal" as that's a bad thing, and unfortunately that's when the mud slinging happens. I'm tired of these false accusations.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I disagree, the AHCA is conservative.

All modern American conservative politicians care about besides bringing minorities to heal is giving tax break to the wealthy "people" in the country. Oh, and doing the opposite or anything Barrack Obama did

The AHCA does a great job at achieving all those things. Minorities get hurt (poor whites too, but yeah, the GOP does care about them either), rich get tax cuts, destroy one of Obama's biggest achievements.

The GOP has not cared about sound policy regarding health insurance for a while, hell that goes for most things. So I doubt their base would know either

 

[Bobby Layne]

 The Associated Press‏Verified account @AP  4h4 hours ago
 BREAKING: Saudi king names son Mohammed bin Salman as crown prince, removing counterterror czar and upending royal succession.

 

[gry60]

Ddds

serious question. do you know what the conservative policy ideas are when it comes to healthcare?


ACHA isnt even conservative, the structure of obamacare remains intact, it doesnt even try to fix, the problems you and many people actually have with healthcare...


so unless you have a huge portfolio of captial gains you want a tax cuts on i dont see why a regular working person would support it.

Doesn't matter, we won!!!!

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doubt you get an answer.

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although I'd like to be proven wrong

America needs its lost decade/generation. Then, the survivors might pull their heads out of their *****. Right now, most of them think DC is supposed to be Hogwarts, where all you have to do to make **** happen is to wish for it.

 

[EddieDoyers]

gry60 when people start losing entitlements that they voted to lose, there will be a backlash and a lot of "I told you so" that we didn't really want to say, but will be said anyway.

 

[gry60]

gry60 when people start losing entitlements that they voted to lose, there will be a backlash and a lot of "I told you so" that we didn't really want to say, but will be said anyway.

And guess what they'll do: shoot themselves in the other foot because they're rather be dead (literally) than admit that the GOP doesn't have their best interests at heart and change the way they vote.

You can see it in this very thread.

 

[Belgium]

No, just expecting a more affordable option and plan.

Thats all a lot of us really want. If you make 30k to 45k you are pretty much screwed nowadays.

Then I suggest you read the latest version of the bill that was public and the CBO report.
They are selling you false hope. The currently secret version has had zero input from the medical community and all kinds of doctors unions etc. condemned the version that passed the house.

Single payer is not necessarily the answer as our universal multipayer healthcare system here in Belgium works great to cover my needs as a young man with a disability due to chronic disease. I have loads of public and private insurance options available to me and excellent medical care.
Only a few countries have a true single payer healthcare system. That being said, the US already has some of the infrastructure for it but personally I don't see how it will work on a national scale if the medical costs aren't artificially kept down either. I think universal multipayer would perhaps be better at this time.

Over here the government subsidizes medical costs to keep the costs down. For example, if I don't use my insurance, an MRI costs me €12 at most. €8 for CT scans. You get my point.

 

[rillo561]

2018 is going to be rough. Hopefully things change, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Democrats fail.

 

[jthagreat]

I think its time for me, and maybe others, to stop having this "eventuality complex."

I'll only speak for me, but I have this thought that eventually America will come around to a way of positive thinking. That we are better working together than against eachother. That having hope or faith in America (like Obama) had is truly naïve, and not worth it.

I lost the love and pride I had in this country when they voted for a racist, but its like stupidity is "digging in" and there's little to nothing that can be done.

Minority numbers are suppose to grow and grow and get this old racist regime out from the forefront, but its not happening, they (the gop) are not going to let up.

Good luck to all who continue to fight the good fight.

 

[whywesteppin]

poor guy is not even in the top 500:

That’s the biggest finding in an updated assessment of the president’s net worth, which has slipped to $2.9 billion, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index, down from $3 billion a year ago

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...h-slips-to-2-9-billion-as-towers-underperform

https://www.bloomberg.com/billionaires/

 

[whywesteppin]

I think its time for me, and maybe others, to stop having this "eventuality complex."

I'll only speak for me, but I have this thought that eventually America will come around to a way of positive thinking. That we are better working together than against eachother. That having hope or faith in America (like Obama) had is truly naïve, and not worth it.

I lost the love and pride I had in this country when they voted for a racist, but its like stupidity is "digging in" and there's little to nothing that can be done.

Minority numbers are suppose to grow and grow and get this old racist regime out from the forefront, but its not happening, they (the gop) are not going to let up.

Good luck to all who continue to fight the good fight.

I do think we have to let go of this fantasy that the other side will somehow come around.

We also need to stop thinking of the typical Republican as the redneck who shows up to a trump rally. No, the typical Republican is the upper-middle class family in the suburbs. Their only concern with social issues is "keep it away from me." They want to be able to keep more of their money so that they can pretend to be rich.

This whole time I hear about how Democrats need to have a message for working class Americans, those who are struggling to get by and desperately want their coal mining jobs back. But what about suburban whites? Do Democrats have anything for them?

Also, I think at some point, at least ideally, it needs to stop being all about Democrat vs Republican. From a distance, they look the same, at least in twitter rants, etc. At some point, as much as we need Democrats to take the House in 2018, I'd like to see some good people rise up in the Republican party who won't follow the party line. I know, this is fantasy, but along with Democrats winning some elections we also need the political system and how it filters down through media and social media to change for the better.

 

[rillo561]

I do think we have to let go of this fantasy that the other side will somehow come around.

Agreed, we have one side that will constantly vote against their own interest every chance they get so long as it's not a "liberal" they are voting for. Tired of Democrats taking the high road.

 

[gry60]

I think its time for me, and maybe others, to stop having this "eventuality complex."

I'll only speak for me, but I have this thought that eventually America will come around to a way of positive thinking. That we are better working together than against eachother. That having hope or faith in America (like Obama) had is truly naïve, and not worth it.

I lost the love and pride I had in this country when they voted for a racist, but its like stupidity is "digging in" and there's little to nothing that can be done.

Minority numbers are suppose to grow and grow and get this old racist regime out from the forefront, but its not happening, they (the gop) are not going to let up.

Good luck to all who continue to fight the good fight.

I do think we have to let go of this fantasy that the other side will somehow come around.

We also need to stop thinking of the typical Republican as the redneck who shows up to a trump rally. No, the typical Republican is the upper-middle class family in the suburbs. Their only concern with social issues is "keep it away from me." They want to be able to keep more of their money so that they can pretend to be rich.

This whole time I hear about how Democrats need to have a message for working class Americans, those who are struggling to get by and desperately want their coal mining jobs back. But what about suburban whites? Do Democrats have anything for them?

Also, I think at some point, at least ideally, it needs to stop being all about Democrat vs Republican. From a distance, they look the same, at least in twitter rants, etc. At some point, as much as we need Democrats to take the House in 2018, I'd like to see some good people rise up in the Republican party who won't follow the party line. I know, this is fantasy, but along with Democrats winning some elections we also need the political system and how it filters down through media and social media to change for the better.

I see a bright future for those in the wall building and private security businesses. As poverty in the US increases, watch residential fences go higher and stronger and better manned.

This exact mentality will be the downfall of America, and considering that no amount of warnings can make them realize that there isn't a more unsafe country than one where there are only rich and poor (we're getting there), the only thing left is for them to experience it.

A nation is a community, and with a large number of Americans refusing to be part of an American community where all have an input, there can't be a USA. All the decorum, pledge of allegiance, 4th of July, etc... is just a facade.

 

[rolaholic]

@thehill: #BREAKING: Trump official confirms election systems in 21 states targeted by Russia https://t.co/r2244YGhDm https://t.co/TERxf1L81S

Heh...

The AHCA is also polling as the least popular major bill in decades

http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-ahca-obamacare-approval-ratings-2017-6

It's unpopular literally everywhere

 

[AEA18]

If they actually attended their own town halls they would know that only people deep in the orange cult support it.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Eric Holder is hinting at a 2020 run. Which is interesting

I would suggest to anyone Berniecrat that wants to complain right now, or bring up putting bankers on trial or cry about the establishment, just to shut the **** up.

Holder being in the race is good for any non black far left candidate in the race. Another strong Civil Rights candidate break Booker's potential monopoly in case progressives forget about black people in the South for the next couple years.

Holder 2020 would be a blessing

 

[rolaholic]

Anyone else would be a blessing in 2020 in comparison to right now tbf

Would definitely be interesting having someone like Holder in the mix as it could push all the civil rights rollbacks under the new regime to the forefront of the Dem race debate,I'm all for having every flavor of Liberal/folks from all walks of the base in the mix in 2020.

Don't see the need in telling folks to pre-emprively be quiet when the race is so far out and nothing's even been set in stone in regards to him actually running and the platform though

The vitriol needs to be aimed at the actual enemy in power right now instead of enemies of primaries past IMO