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whywesteppin said:
This kind of pisses me off.

Charlie Gard is an infant in England with an exceedingly rare genetic mutation. My understanding is that he has irreversible brain damage and is being kept alive on life support.

His parents want to send him to the US for experimental therapy to treat his genetic mutation. This will not reverse his brain damage. It will, at best, only prolong his suffering. He will serve as nothing more than a guinea pig.

The pope and now trump are stepping in and supporting his parents by saying he should be allowed to be flown to the US for this futile treatment. It looks great to the public. "Look at these politicians stepping in to help promote life!"

But the truth is that this is dangerous. Politicians should not be intervening in the decisions of medical professionals. They have no idea how difficult and complicated these situations are.

I abhor this.

For the record, I can give the pope a pass on this, begrudgingly, because it is a consistent position from him. But for trump, this is utter ********.

edit: I realize there is a tiny chance I am wrong about this and that this baby could be saved. I'm willing to take that risk. FDT.
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There's several problems I see with someone like the president of the US, whether a normal one or this rambling moron, speaking on things like this. It puts a lot of pressure and spotlight on the parents. Some may not appreciate that. Then there's also the fact that they likely don't grasp the medical aspects.

From what I know of the case, the UK is not allowing them to leave with the child due to objections regarding the degrading of an individual's humanity.

Not sure of the exact terminology, that's a literal translation of what we call that objection here. The doctors are saying it would be inhumane to not pull the plug and transport him to a different country because it would only further increase and prolong his suffering.

I'm not familiar with the exact details of course but I would be inclined to agree with the court's decision. When my dad went into a coma I signed a DNR contract (Do Not Reanimate) immediately because I knew anything else would be futile and only prolonging his suffering. For me it was a fairly easy decision to make based on the medical aspects of the situation so that was the first thing I did when I arrived at the hospital.

But I can imagine other people have a very hard time accepting that pulling the plug is the right thing to do when that time comes, especially if it involves young children. A former classmate in my nursing class eventually made the decision to cut off life support for his child when it became clear that the main treatment options were exhausted and they did not want to prolong the child's suffering for some treatment with a slim to zero chance of helping the child survive.

Just off what I've read about this Charlie Gard case I would cut off life support immediately but that's my opinion. In signing a DNR for my dad I've essentially "pulled the plug" myself and I came to that decision with relative ease so perhaps that influences my view on this case.

I can see why the parents don't want to give up on their child yet but they should thoroughly take into account the medical professionals' advice and several other important questions.

-Even if this treatment were to work, what kind of life would the child have beyond that point given his current condition? What about the effects that can't be cured regardless? Such as the brain damage, ...

-Is it really worth further prolonging this child's suffering for a slim to zero chance of curing a genetic mutation with some experimental treatment, taking into account the kind of life he would have if he was cured of that genetic mutation?
 
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ST. LOUIS •  The minimum wage in St. Louis will revert to $7.70 an hour on Aug. 28, with Gov. Eric Greitens announcing on Friday that he will allow a bill blocking the city’s increase to become law without his signature.

When the Legislature sends the governor a bill, he has several options. He can sign it, veto it or take the middle course — without action before a constitutional deadline, the bill automatically takes effect.

The bill in question bans local minimum wages, requiring all cities and municipalities in Missouri to stick to the statewide standard.

Minimum wage workers in St. Louis are making $10 an hour after winning a two-year legal fight against business groups who challenged a 2015 city ordinance authorizing an increase.

Under that city law, the wage was set to rise again in January to $11 an hour, then increase annually with inflation.

“It will kill jobs,” Greitens said of the increase. “And despite what you hear from liberals, it will take money out of people’s pockets.”

Both workers and businesses alike now face a jarring change ahead. It’s unclear whether many businesses as of Aug. 28 will seek to reduce pay to employees who have recently received increases.

It’s a situation the Missouri House had sought to avoid by fast-tracking its version of the bill to the Senate in March, in the hopes it could be signed into law before a court’s injunction on the increase was lifted in St. Louis. But the Senate didn’t take up the bill until the final hours of the 2017 legislative session.

Greitens, who has clashed with senators numerous times since assuming office, said the uncertainty for businesses could have been avoided if they had “done their job on time.”

His reasoning for not signing the bill outright? Those career politicians, Greitens said.

“Politicians in the Legislature could’ve come up with a timely solution to this problem. Instead, they dragged their feet for months,” Greitens said in a statement. “Now, because of their failures, we have different wages across the state.”

It’s far more difficult to pass controversial legislation in the Missouri Senate than it is the House because individual senators on both sides of the aisle have the power to filibuster bills they don’t like.

Senate Democrats managed to stall passage of the minimum-wage measure until the last day of session, when GOP leaders finally used a procedural move they often avoid to force a vote.

“I disapprove of the way politicians handled this,” Greitens said. “That’s why I won’t be signing my name to their bill.”

Not putting his signature on a bill his party championed is a cowardly move, said Sen. Jamilah Nasheed, D-St. Louis.

“Signing it would have shown the fact that he is heartless and that he really doesn’t care about the working poor,” Nasheed said. “So what he didn’t want to do is sign a bill to take money out of the pockets of those who already have an increase, but still do so.”

Democrats have pushed for an increase in the statewide minimum wage, but there’s been no appetite for a broader hike from the GOP-led Legislature.

Nasheed contends that Greitens’ decision will ultimately cost the state, because workers who may have had a chance at more independence through higher local minimum wages will remain reliant on Medicaid and food stamps.

Next steps could include putting a statewide minimum wage increase on the ballot through a citizen referendum, an avenue St. Louis Mayor Lyda Krewson has said she will explore.
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$10 minimum wage will kill jobs brehs 

 
It's never easy making that call, even when it's a clear-cut situation, so props to you for having the strength to deal with it.

You are exactly right -- this is a tough situation to begin with and the parents are obviously not ready to make that call. However, providing them with false hope is the last thing they or their child needs right now.

Like you're saying, it's already a longshot that the treatment would work. But, even if it does, he will not have a normal or sustained life.

So this is a case where a stupid politician steps into something he doesn't understand and makes the situation worse. But what more would we expect from the guy who is anti-vaccine?
 
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I honestly think Trump should devote more energy and time in promoting better healthcare for Americans
Doubt that will happen though
 
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 Louisiana won't give Donald Trump commission voter information

BY JULIA O'DONOGHUE  

[email protected],

NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune

Secretary of State Tom Schedler said he won't turn over Louisiana voter information to an election integrity commission set up by President Donald Trump  in May. Some of the data the Trump commission has requested is publicly available, but the president's commission will have to purchase it from Louisiana like political parties do if it wants it, according to Schedler's office. 

"The President's Commission has quickly politicized its work by asking states for an incredible amount of voter data that I have, time and time again, refused to release," said Schedler, an elected Republican, in a written statement Monday (July 2).  

"My response to the Commission is, you're not going to play politics with Louisiana's voter data, and if you are, then you can purchase the limited public information available by law, to any candidate running for office. That's it," Schedler said. 

Trump's election commission asked all 50 states last week for a trove of information about their voters, a move that made election experts and privacy advocates uncomfortable. After several states said they would not comply with the group's request, Trump lashed out over Twitter. 

"Numerous states are refusing to give information to the very distinguished VOTER FRAUD PANEL. What are they trying to hide?" Trump tweeted on Saturday morning. 

Numerous states are refusing to give information to the very distinguished VOTER FRAUD PANEL. What are they trying to hide?
No state has actually agreed to comply with the Trump commission's full voter data request yet, according to The Associated Press. Several, including Louisiana, are barred by state laws from sharing some of the information the commission seeks. Louisiana can't, for example, provide the federal panel with people's Social Security numbers, even if Schedler wanted to do so. 
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The public voter information available in Louisiana for purchase from the state includes voters' names, addresses, party affiliations and their history of participating in elections. It indicates when a voter has cast a ballot in previous election cycles, but not how the person voted.

Louisiana's political parties, candidates and other groups typically pay $5,000 for that information. The Trump commission will have to do the same, according to Schedler's office. 

"TWEETED by the PRESIDENT," one of many admirers wrote.

The publicly available voter information does not include several other identifying items that Trump's voting commission was requesting, such as Social Security numbers, mothers' maiden names and the dates of birth of voters.

The Trump commission had also asked for information about whether voters had felony convictions, which isn't included in the public data that the secretary of state sells. 

Gov. John Bel Edwards, a Democrat, supports Schedler's decision. Edwards and Schedler had been in touch about the request since Trump's commission sent it last week, according to Richard Carbo, the governor's spokesman. 

The Louisiana Democratic Party leadership was also pleased with Schedler's decision not to turn over the data, saying that the Trump commission request went too far. The Republican Party of Louisiana declined to comment on Monday afternoon. 

Trump's voting commission said it wants the voter information in order to push back against voter fraud, but critics have said it would be used to further restrict election participation. It's been called a federal overreach and invasion of citizens' privacy.

Schedler is one of several elections officials from both ends of the political spectrum who have objected to the commission's request over the past week. The Mississippi Secretary of State Delbert Hosemann, also a Republican, said he would tell anyone who asked for that voter information to go "jump in" the Gulf of Mexico rather than give it away. 

Trump has made several unsubstantiated claims about widespread voter fraud in the 2016 election, though the president has offered no evidence that fraudulent voting actually occurred on a large scale.

Schedler, the past president of the National Association of Secretaries of States, has previously pushed back on the voter fraud claims made by Trump. He has repeatedly said Louisiana's election went smoothly and he has had no concerned about validity of the results. 

Donald Trump has repeatedly made unsubstantiated claims about a rigged voting system

Schedler also denied previous requests from President Barack Obama's administration for detailed voter information. A 2011 lawsuit had been filed claiming that Louisiana wasn't doing enough to register people who receive public assistance  to vote. Schedler fought giving over voter data in that instance as well. 

"I denied the Obama Justice Department's request and I'm denying President Trump's commission's request because they are both politically motivated," Schedler said in his written statement. 

"This Commission needs to understand clearly, disclosure of such sensitive information is more likely to diminish voter participation rather than foster it.  I have been fighting this kind of federal intrusion and overreach, and will continue to fight like hell for the people who trust me with the integrity of our election process," he said.  
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Who was it that said that voting on the local level is most important and the federal level could be ignored

And my answer was that state governments routinely sabotage liberal cities. This is a perfect example.

There are tons of liberals cities with huge minority populations stuck in red states. The best thing people can do to help them is make sure Congress, the President, and Supreme Court are progressive

Because the best way to fight garbage like this is a federal increase.
 
Can the MSM stop talking about Trump's tweets? Can we all focus on his moves to deprive millions of Americans of healthcare, clean water, the franchise and the ability to live a some what safe and dignified life?

Trump is horrible on substance but his style is refreshing. Trump's whole schick is that he is eschewing the delicate and pseudo aristocratic sensibilities of the DC-NYC-Ivy League ruling class. Every time he posts one of his puerile tweets the Beltway and New York media collapses onto it collective fainting couches and another day is spent highlighting his strength, which is his feigned authenticity, and we ignore his weakness which is everything that has to do with actual policy.

Let's be honest, we are all tired of that bland, whispering, smug, Northeastern, lawyer talking style in our politics. We liberals love authenticity too. We love Charlie Rangel, we secretly liked Loretta Sanchez when she gets a little bit unhinged, Bernie's hair fringe is an icon, Hillary was at her best when she was calling Trump's core supporters deplorable, Kirsten Gillibrand has made herself an early 2020 front runner because she can use the words "intersectional" and the "f-word with an equal degree of ease.

In the future, Joe and Mika, CNN and anyone else in the MSM should either ignore Trump's tweets or respond with an uncaptioned picture of his anal leakage on the tennis court or golf course and move on to policy and every thin gwron gwith Trump's policies.
 
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The summer air is sizzling as the Fourth of July approaches, yet 86-year-old Richard Perkins already worries about how he's going to stay warm this winter.

President Donald Trump  has proposed eliminating heating aid for low-income Americans, claiming it's no longer necessary and rife with fraud. People needn't worry about being left in the cold, he says, because utilities cannot cut off customers in the dead of winter.

But he is wrong on all counts.

The heating program provides a critical lifeline for people like Perkins, and officials close to the program don't see any widespread fraud. Guidelines for winter shutoffs by utilities vary from state to state and don't apply to heating oil, a key energy source in the brittle New England winter.

"It's beyond my thinking that anyone could be that cruel," said Perkins, a retired restaurateur who relies on the program to keep warm in Ogunquit, Maine.

The proposal to kill the program, which has distributed $3.4 billion to about 6 million households this fiscal year, will face strong opposition in Congress.

Forty-three senators from mostly cold-weather states already signed a letter urging the Republican chairman and ranking Democrat on an appropriations subcommittee to ensure funding for the Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Program, known in many states by its acronym, LIHEAP (pronounced LY'-heep).

In Maine, the poorest state in New England, the program helped about 77,000 people over the past winter, and those numbers represented less than a quarter of eligible households, said Deborah Turcotte of MaineHousing, which helps to run the program.

Perkins is a typical recipient.

His income was fine 10 or 12 years ago when he retired, but gasoline, food and other expenses grew faster than he anticipated. In the winter, he keeps an eye on his oil storage tank, and the local community action agency sends 100 gallons when it gets low.

It's difficult for him to keep warm because he's on a blood thinner, and he shudders at the thought of being cold. But he doesn't want to move south, either.

"I was born and raised here," he said. "Maine is part of me. I can't imagine living anywhere else."

Mark Wolfe, of the National Energy Assistance Directors' Association, said that the Trump administration is relying on an old General Accounting Office report on the fraud claim, and that improvements have been made since then. In Maine, for example, only 100 cases — 0.3 percent of all submitted applications — are being investigated for potential fraud, according to MaineHousing.

And programs aimed at preventing utilities from being turned off wouldn't protect everyone. Utility regulations vary, with some states preventing shutoffs during the entire winter and others doing so only on exceptionally cold days.

And there's absolutely no requirement for heating oil and propane dealers, which are not regulated like electric and natural gas  utilities, to make deliveries to customers who cannot pay. That's a big problem in the Northeast, which accounts for more than 80 percent of the nation's residential heating oil consumption.

Health and Human Services Secretary Thomas Price, who contends the LIHEAP program doesn't demonstrate "strong performance outcomes," said difficult decisions are necessary to streamline the government to focus on the administration's goals of defense and public safety.

The LIHEAP program already has undergone substantial cuts.

The average benefit has been reduced by $100 from 2010 to 2015 as funding was slashed during the Obama administration. That coincides with Venezuela's Citgo Petroleum Corp. ending participation in a free-oil program run by a Massachusetts-based nonprofit.

Nationwide, the average home heating cost last winter was $1,448 for propane, $1,227 for heating oil, $902 for electricity and $577 for natural gas.

Many observers refuse to accept that the program will be eliminated altogether.

It's just too popular in Congress, and it also distributes aid to poor people in states like Florida and Arizona to keep cool on blazing hot summer days.

Sen. Angus King, an independent from Maine, said he and other senators, including fellow Mainer Susan Collins, a Republican, will fight for the program, which he said ensures that needy people "aren't forced to make the impossible choice between heat and food, medications, or other necessities."
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Rexanglorum said:
Can the MSM stop talking about Trump's tweets? Can we all focus on his moves to deprive millions of Americans of healthcare, clean water, the franchise and the ability to live a some what safe and dignified life?

Trump is horrible on substance but his style is refreshing. Trump's whole schick is that he is eschewing the delicate and pseudo aristocratic sensibilities of the DC-NYC-Ivy League ruling class. Every time he posts one of his puerile tweets the Beltway and New York media collapses onto it collective fainting couches and another day is spent highlighting his strength, which is his feigned authenticity, and we ignore his weakness which is everything that has to do with actual policy.

Let's be honest, we are all tired of that bland, whispering, smug, Northeastern, lawyer talking style in our politics. We liberals love authenticity too. We love Charlie Rangel, we secretly liked Loretta Sanchez when she gets a little bit unhinged, Bernie's hair fringe is an icon, Hillary was at her best when she was calling Trump's core supporters deplorable, Kirsten Gillibrand has made herself an early 2020 front runner because she can use the words "intersectional" and the "f-word with an equal degree of ease.

In the future, Joe and Mika, CNN and anyone else in the MSM should either ignore Trump's tweets or respond with an uncaptioned picture of his anal leakage on the tennis court or golf course and move on to policy and every thin gwron gwith Trump's policies.
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Repped for the fainting couch reference.

I think the smug Northeastern lawyer-type doesn't play well, but the guy with the Boston accent or NYC accent does play well. People want authenticity, even if it's faked, and not the "I'm 1/16th Native American" authentic, but the "I mispronounce certain words but I don't give a ****" authentic.
 
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