***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[EddieDoyers]

Dude is clearly trolling

Keeps asking the same question even after multiple people have answered it.

Just because you don't like the answer does not mean it is false.

He should just keep it honest and just say he doesn't think Donald Trump Jr is guilty of any wrongdoing

If he disagrees, fine, but this dishonest mental gymnastics is ridicioulous

 

[AEA18]

Now, if a sitting president of the United States stood in the middle of Fifth Avenue, shot a random person in broad daylight, and was caught with a smoking gun, it’s probably a safe bet that Congress would vote to impeach him, convict him, and remove him from office, despite their partisanship. (Probably.)

But most political scandals are not so indisputable, damning, or well-documented as that. And on any matter where there is some sort of plausible deniability for the president, his political allies will have very strong incentive to give him the benefit of the doubt, even if it means twisting themselves into knots.

So as long as Republicans control Congress, there will be a very high bar indeed for any effort to impeach Trump to gain traction — some incredibly damning evidence of some indisputably serious crime would likely have to emerge. And even if Democrats retake the House, they’d still need to come up with a case strong enough to win two-thirds of the Senate to actually convict him. Unless a party has enormous partisan majorities, a partisan impeachment effort is doomed to fail.

What is impeachment?
The term “impeachment” itself dates back centuries in England, where it was “a device for prosecuting great lords and high officials who were beyond the reach of the law courts,” as David Stewart writes in Impeached, a book about President Andrew Johnson’s trial.

But in the US context, the framers of the Constitution set up the impeachment process to be a way Congress can remove the president from power.

First, the House of Representatives has the power to impeach the president. A simple majority is necessary for an article of impeachment to be approved (each article lays out a charge against the president).
Then the process moves to the Senate, where a trial will be held, with the chief justice of the Supreme Court presiding.
Finally, and crucially, it takes a two-thirds vote from the Senate to actually convict a president on any count. Conviction on any count would then remove the president from office and put the vice president in power.
Note that two-thirds of the Senate — 67 votes — is a very high threshold that’s almost never achieved on any matter that’s remotely partisan. The framers did not make it easy for Congress to remove a democratically elected president from power.

3) Bill Clinton: Independent counsel Ken Starr had been operating a years-long investigation into various sprawling matters involving President Bill Clinton and his associates, and ended up filing a report alleging that Clinton had lied under oath and obstructed justice to prevent his affair with Monica Lewinsky from becoming known (with DNA evidence to back up his affair claims).

The House of Representatives voted to impeach Clinton for perjury and obstruction of justice, but the Senate acquitted him relatively easily — the president was popular, the impeachment effort was viewed as partisan, and enough senators concluded the crimes weren’t serious enough to warrant the president’s removal from office. The two-thirds Senate threshold for conviction remained far out of reach.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/12/15615066/impeachment-trump-process-history

 

[dwalk31]

So... again... a long post confirming that Bill Clinton was impeached

 

[RustyShackleford]

It is a two step process

Why can't you understand that?

The House impeached Bill Clinton. What two step process was incomplete?

The impeachment process does not end with the House vote. The person then goes to trial in the Senate. It concludes with the Senate vote for removal or acquittal

The Senate acquitted Bill Clinton

 

[AEA18]

So... again... a long post confirming that Bill Clinton was impeached

3) Bill Clinton: Independent counsel Ken Starr had been operating a years-long investigation into various sprawling matters involving President Bill Clinton and his associates, and ended up filing a report alleging that Clinton had lied under oath and obstructed justice to prevent his affair with Monica Lewinsky from becoming known (with DNA evidence to back up his affair claims).

The House of Representatives voted to impeach Clinton for perjury and obstruction of justice, but the Senate acquitted him relatively easily — the president was popular, the impeachment effort was viewed as partisan, and enough senators concluded the crimes weren’t serious enough to warrant the president’s removal from office. The two-thirds Senate threshold for conviction remained far out of reach.

ac·quit
əˈkwit/Submit
verb
past tense: acquitted; past participle: acquitted
1.
free (someone) from a criminal charge by a verdict of not guilty.
"she was acquitted on all counts"
synonyms: clear, exonerate, find innocent, absolve; More

 

[EddieDoyers]

Where's the wind to make sense of all this mental gymnastics?

 

[dwalk31]

The impeachment process does not end with the House vote. The person then goes to trial in the Senate. It concludes with the Senate vote for removal or acquittal

The Senate acquitted Bill Clinton

Bill Clinton was impeached, which is what I said. I have no idea what the point of what you are saying is. It doesn't refute the fact that he was impeached.

 

[gry60]

Today I learned that if you havent been arrested immediately you must not have done something wrong and are innocent. Despite how federal investigations work

Today I learned that if you haven't been arrested you must have broken the law and/or a case is being built against your relatives.

Sometimes, you gotta let the little fish swim so that he can lead you to the big one.

 

[EddieDoyers]

Anyway Don T Jr is an idiot, he broke a law, and he deserves whatever comes to him in the future

F all that noise, keep it 100

 

[dwalk31]

What law did he break?

 

[RustyShackleford]

The impeachment process does not end with the House vote. The person then goes to trial in the Senate. It concludes with the Senate vote for removal or acquittal

The Senate acquitted Bill Clinton

Bill Clinton was impeached, which is what I said. I have no idea what the point of what you are saying is. It doesn't refute the fact that he was impeached.

You don't understand how the impeachment process works,got corrected, now it is a game of semantics

Do you even know impeachment is not protect someone from criminal charges

So even if Clinton was removed from office, he still could have been arrested for his "crimes"

So your entire deflection is meaningless anyway

 

[Nike Jordan]

Where's the wind to make sense of all this mental gymnastics?

 

[iamdef]

Quote:

Dude is clearly trolling

Keeps asking the same question even after multiple people have answered it.

Just because you don't like the answer does not mean it is false.

Answers right infront of em. Def trollin'

Bill Clinton was impeached, which is what I said. I have no idea what the point of what you are saying is. It doesn't refute the fact that he was impeached.

Troll?

 

[dwalk31]

Personally, I'm just glad you stopped trying to re-define impeachment.

 

[EddieDoyers]

Come back with some reading comprehension and some honesty

 

[whywesteppin]

I've been watching the news consistently.

How many hours though? Gotta get up to at least 12-16 hours per day to be an expert in here. ****, son, we have some members doing 20 hours per day.

 

[Nike Jordan]

 

[elpablo21]

Hopefully this doesnt get swept under the rug too much

Along with announcing delay in August recess, Senate Majority Leader McConnell says GOP will release Thurs updated text for health care bill
— NPR (@NPR) July 11, 2017

A revised CBO score is expected as early as Monday of next week -- no later than Tuesday.
— NPR (@NPR) July 11, 2017

 

A vote on a motion to proceed on the bill is expected in the latter part of next week.
— NPR (@NPR) July 11, 2017

There would be unlimited debate that will likely continue into the week of July 24.
— NPR (@NPR) July 11, 2017

 

[dwalk31]

Oh no, someone I don't know blocked me. But wanted to make sure everyone else knows he did it.

 

[dwalk31]

How many hours though? Gotta get up to at least 12-16 hours per day to be an expert in here. ****, son, we have some members doing 20 hours per day.

I average about 27/day

 

[AEA18]

"If you solicit a contribution from a foreign national, that's a federal crime," Butler said. "A contribution doesn't have to be cash money. It could also be some kind of material aid like opposition research. With this tweetstorm this morning, Trump Jr. exposed himself to federal criminal liability."

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/11/ex-f...rovide-smoking-gun-evidence-of-collusion.html


Federal Election Laws

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20

 

[whywesteppin]

It feels good, comrades.

 

[dwalk31]

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/11/ex-f...rovide-smoking-gun-evidence-of-collusion.html


Federal Election Laws

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20

Finally someone with an actual answer. I will read up and get back

 

[EddieDoyers]

*Asks what law he broke
*Gets told what law he broke several times
*Disagrees, deflects, ask why he hasn't got arrested

I'm done now

 

[aepps20]

How many hours though? Gotta get up to at least 12-16 hours per day to be an expert in here. ****, son, we have some members doing 20 hours per day.

No lies fam. Some members defy time and space and EASILY PUT IN 26 HOURS EACH DAY. [emoji]128133[/emoji][emoji]128133[/emoji][emoji]128133[/emoji][emoji]128133[/emoji][emoji]128133[/emoji][emoji]128133[/emoji][emoji]127891[/emoji]