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So where did the industrial jobs go? China.

We pay them 72 million a day in debt interest [emoji]128580[/emoji]

For every dollar spent on American goods in China, we spend about $4.50 on Chinese goods in America. This is a huge trade deficit.

You guys keep talking about how America has been deindustrialized but won't accept the fact that these jobs went to places like China.

We are 20 trillion in debt people.. You sleeping behind your computer screens while we continue to see more of this happen.

But keep asking for free everything while places like this take us for every penny in the process.. It makes no sense.

Btw Hillary has no shot. She's going to get demolished in the process [emoji]128557[/emoji][emoji]128557[/emoji] I can't wait to see this Trump v Hillary campaign. It's going to be a joke for democrats.. Something like when jimmy carter left office
 
That John Oliver monologue needs to be on a loop from now until election day.
 
The leftists are sending all jobs to China?

Of course! Don't you know the lefty's control the government and are in bed with all the big corporations.

Not like the Righty's who are for the people and want to bring the jobs back to America where they belong.

Righty's would never allow these businesses to outsource jobs in their states.

Not on the Righty's watch. :hat
 
That John Oliver monologue needs to be on a loop from now until election day.

Needs to be quoted on every page of this thread.

The leftists are sending all jobs to China?

I don't even know how it makes sense to him considering how important unions and the labor movement have been in the history of Chicago. Like, why would they willingly vote for someone who would outsource their livelihood?
 
Donald Trump is really about to be a nominee for the ******* president 
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This country is in shambles
 
Sooooooooo....no one is going to make a thread about those punk kkk throwing a walking rally in Anaheim, CA this past weekend? [emoji]129300[/emoji] :{
 
Lol country has been in shambles my bruv. To me it's hilarious to sit back & watch. I'm lowkey rooting for the dude bc this country & its coddled citizens that "want their country back" deserve a guy like Trump. I'm hoping he gets in office & finishes the job of driving this hypocritical nation even deeper into the ******* :smokin
 
^ 70% of the stuff on here doesn't deserve a thread.

Really been trying to figure out wth trump (krumpf) has on his head though! :{
 
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So where did the industrial jobs go? China.

We pay them 72 million a day in debt interest [emoji]128580[/emoji]

For every dollar spent on American goods in China, we spend about $4.50 on Chinese goods in America. This is a huge trade deficit.

You guys keep talking about how America has been deindustrialized but won't accept the fact that these jobs went to places like China.

We are 20 trillion in debt people.. You sleeping behind your computer screens while we continue to see more of this happen.

But keep asking for free everything while places like this take us for every penny in the process.. It makes no sense.

Btw Hillary has no shot. She's going to get demolished in the process [emoji]128557[/emoji][emoji]128557[/emoji] I can't wait to see this Trump v Hillary campaign. It's going to be a joke for democrats.. Something like when jimmy carter left office


How do you explain Germany? The median worker makes much more than the median American worker, they are a net exporter, they are a manufacturing powerhouse and guess what? They are more lefty than we are, they have higher top marginal tax rates, more environmental regulations, more regulations that protect workers, they have workers on the boards of directors at big companies, they have more unions, they have universal healthcare, they have more mandated vacation time and they have tuition free college. It seems like "free stuff" and regulations are working our pretty well for the Germans.
 
Germans also have a more homogeneous society and are probably harder and more efficient workers. And one third of the population.

I do feel like there are bits and pieces of other countries we can try to emulate. But no perfect solution we can take from one country
 
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Germans also have a more homogeneous society and are probably harder and more efficient workers. And one third of the population.

I do feel like there are bits and pieces of other countries we can try to emulate. But no perfect solution we can take from one country


I agree with the second part that we should not look to just create a carbon copy of one particular country and try to transfer it over here.

I do have to push back a bit on the first part. Keep in mind that Americans work much more than Germans. We have longer work days, fewer vacations and we retire at an older age. And while Germany has a smaller population, that also means it has a smaller tax base. If anything, social Democracy would do better in the US because our economy is so big and so diverse that we will always have a very large tax base even in the midst of severe economic downturns.

Most importantly, I have to ask why you believe that our heterogeneous population prevents us from having similar results as Germans and Swedes and Danes?
 
So Rubio is running ads attacking Trump on Trump University with victims of those who went there

But seriously doe, who would spend $30,000 to go to Trump University? 
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Germans also have a more homogeneous society and are probably harder and more efficient workers. And one third of the population.

I do feel like there are bits and pieces of other countries we can try to emulate. But no perfect solution we can take from one country


I agree with the second part that we should not look to just create a carbon copy of one particular country and try to transfer it over here.

I do have to push back a bit on the first part. Keep in mind that Americans work much more than Germans. We have longer work days, fewer vacations and we retire at an older age. And while Germany has a smaller population, that also means it has a smaller tax base. If anything, social Democracy would do better in the US because our economy is so big and so diverse that we will always have a very large tax base even in the midst of severe economic downturns.

Most importantly, I have to ask why you believe that our heterogeneous population prevents us from having similar results as Germans and Swedes and Danes?

I don't agree with Duyba on much, and I do believe social democracy is achievable in America, but racism will cause major friction.

From the new deal to Obamacare, the push back against most social programs have been how much people perceive it would help minorities, especially African Americans.

Besides Obamacare, look at other recent examples. Blacks are the faces of "welfare" and food stamps, so these need to be cut. Whites are the faces of SSDI, so it can stay even though it has major problems.

When FEMA were rescuing black people in New Orleans after Katrina, it was a wasteful program. When they started rescuing middle class whites in New Jersey after Sandy, it got removed from the cross hairs.

Crack cocaine epidemic destroying black communities, lock them up. Heroin epidemic destroy white middle class communities, rehabilitate them.

The push back against nearly all social programs is that there are a large number of people in the white community that don't want to institute programs that disproportionately help minorities, even if it helps them too.

They would want to know that white supremacy and social democracy would be able to live hand in hand.

Even in the countries you mentioned, fascism and white nationalism in on the raise because they don't want their tax dollars going to help refugees.

Minority groups won't be excited for social democracy if there is not the guarantee of no systemic racism.

Conservative whites won't get excited about social democracy until there are guarantees there will be systemic racism.

That leaves white liberals and progressives caught in the middle.

Either too afraid to tied the issues together; so they talk about the two systems as separate issues, arguing social democracy will fight systemic racism to minorities. While simultaneously promising whites that social democracy will cure all their problems (Bernie Sanders).

Or they tie them together, but are only willing to make incremental improvements in both areas, all the while hoping the clock doesn't run out before the next crisis hits (Hillary Clinton)

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If Jon Edwards had become president in 2008, and had the integrity and orating skills of Barack Obama, maybe America would be warming up to the idea of social democracy.

But he wasn't

Instead the skin color of the president has caused a good portion of this country to believe that if we kick out, lock up, or kill enough minorities.

Like some sort "gift to the gods", the invisible hand of the market will be pleased, and bless them with same prosperity their grandparents and parents experienced in the 1950s.

Because those were the days, when jobs were plentiful, hardly any brown people where around, and the black man knew this place.
 
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one of my biggest regrets in life is buying a Donald Drumpf tie.

can the country just split if somehow Drumpf is elected president? the non-Drumpf half would be so much better off.

I still want him to win the primary though. playing with fire, I know, but I think it would destroy the Republican party and force them to rebuild. especially if Palin is his running mate.
 
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I don't agree with Duyba on much, and I do believe social democracy is achievable in America, but racism will cause major friction.

From the new deal to Obamacare, the push back against most social programs have been how much people perceive it would help minorities, especially African Americans.

Besides Obamacare, look at other recent examples. Blacks are the faces of "welfare" and food stamps, so these need to be cut. Whites are the faces of SSDI, so it can say even with it has major problems.

When FEMA were rescuing people in New Orleans, it was a wasteful program. When they started rescuing middle class whites in New Jersey, it got removed from the cross hairs.

Crack cocaine epidemic destroying black communities, lock them up. Heroin epidemic destroy white middle class communities, rehabilitate them.

The push back to many social programs is that there are a large number of people in the white community that don't want to institute programs that disproportionately help minorities, even if it helps them too.

They would want to know that white supremacy and social democracy would be able to live hand in hand.

Even in the countries you mentioned, fascism and white nationalism in on the raise because they don't want their tax dollars going to help refugees.

Minority groups won't be excited for social democracy if there is not the guarantee of no systemic racism.

Conservative whites won't get excited about social democracy until there are guarantees there will be systemic racism.

That leaves white liberals and progressives caught in the middle.

Either too afraid to tied the issues together; so they talk about the two systems as separate issues, arguing social democracy to fight systemic racism to minorities. While simultaneously promising white that social democracy will cure all their problems (Bernie Sanders).

Or they tie them together, but are only willing to make incremental improvements in both areas, all the while hoping the clock doesn't run out before the next crisis hits (Hillary Clinton)

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If Jon Edwards had become president in 2008, and had the integrity and orating skills of Barack Obama, maybe America would be warming up to the idea of social democracy.

But he wasn't

Instead the skin color of the president has caused a good portion of this country to believe that if we kick out, lock up, or kill enough minorities.

Like some sort "gift to the gods", the invisible hand of the market will be pleased and bless them with same prosperity the grandparents and parents experienced in the 1950s.

Because those were the days, when jobs were plentiful, hardly any brown people around, and the black man knew this place.

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it's amazing how powerful nostalgia is.

the Rubio argument that Obama is trying to change America when really we should stay the same is both dangerous and idiotic. this country has been awful in so many ways in its past. and to argue that we shouldn't try to progress and get better with every day is conceited and, on a more basic level, goes against human nature. it's the devil's work, to put it in words religious fundamentalists can understand.
 
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How do you explain Germany? The median worker makes much more than the median American worker, they are a net exporter, they are a manufacturing powerhouse and guess what? They are more lefty than we are, they have higher top marginal tax rates, more environmental regulations, more regulations that protect workers, they have workers on the boards of directors at big companies, they have more unions, they have universal healthcare, they have more mandated vacation time and they have tuition free college. It seems like "free stuff" and regulations are working our pretty well for the Germans.
Germans are known worldwide for their unparalleled and unmatched engineering. lets get that straight off top, because that is a huge factor of their success, something that we have yet to compete with. 

The system in Germany is called a social market economy.. There are a lot of "socialist" mechanisms that add to the capitalistic / free market competitive nature of the country. They lacked a currency since 2000, and in turn this helped the export surplus in that nation due to a weak euro. If you talk to european or global economists, the first thing they will tell you is due to the low birth rates / aged population of that nation, the social economy isn't sustainable and will need hundreds of thousands of immigrants to maintain. Also corporate structure is two tiered in germany, much different then US corporations. 

I think a better example of leftist failure would be the european debt crisis and countries like Italy, Portugal, Ireland, France, and we've seen whats been going on in Greece. Bailout after Bailout. 
 
it's amazing how powerful nostalgia is.

the Rubio argument that Obama is trying to change America when really we should stay the same is both dangerous and idiotic. this country has been awful in so many ways in its past. and to argue that we shouldn't try to progress and get better with every day is conceited and, on a more basic level, goes against human nature. it's the devil's work, to put it in words religious fundamentalists can understand.
Rubio's out of gas... and as much as he's been sweating lately, he messed his chance up of securing VP if you ask me. 
 
I agree with the second part that we should not look to just create a carbon copy of one particular country and try to transfer it over here.

I do have to push back a bit on the first part. Keep in mind that Americans work much more than Germans. We have longer work days, fewer vacations and we retire at an older age. And while Germany has a smaller population, that also means it has a smaller tax base. If anything, social Democracy would do better in the US because our economy is so big and so diverse that we will always have a very large tax base even in the midst of severe economic downturns.

Most importantly, I have to ask why you believe that our heterogeneous population prevents us from having similar results as Germans and Swedes and Danes?


You could be right that Americans are more hard working even if that is so, i definitely think germans are more efficient. That's just what i believe from anecdotal evidence and history

Regarding the homogeneous populations and smaller population:


1 - I believe america is the greatest social experiment in diversity to ever exist, but that doesn't mean that there aren't profound issues.

Just look at how much white supremacy as an issue has been discussed in 2015. There are still deep racial issues that exist. Rusty already went into them so i'll gloss over that and come at it from a different view.

I am not a black american so i can look at things in a more detached and philosophical way. Simply because it will never be my biggest issue or effect me on a day to day basis. And when i look at the world from my 30,000 foot view, i simply believe people are tribal. At the end of the day they have a tendency to flock to their own. It's essentially primal and when **** hits the fan, that is our natural reaction.

So while we embrace diversity and we should, i think homogeneous societies have the benefits of less racial friction and it's easier for everyone to throw on their nationalism pants and get together for the greater good.

Now lets say i am wrong about people basically being smarter versions of tribal cavemen

America is about individualism. It shapes us as a country in many ways including our economy and capitalist ideas. I just think it's harder to mold our society with so many diverse races, religions, histories, and opinions with the same ease as some of those homogeneous euro societies
 
Conservative whites won't get excited about social democracy until there are guarantees there will be systemic racism.
 
Why does everything have to be so racially inclined with you fam? I can't lie you have some good points here and there but you go straight to this type of **** and i can't even take you serious. Did you experience some type of event that makes you think this way? I'm not trying to be negative, i just want to have a better understanding of why you paint this type of picture because it isn't true.
 
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