***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[RustyShackleford]

Conservative whites won't get excited about social democracy until there are guarantees there will be systemic racism.

 

Why does everything have to be so racially inclined with you fam? I can't lie you have some good points here and there but you go straight to this type of **** and i can't even take you serious. Did you experience some type of event that makes you think this way? I'm not trying to be negative, i just want to have a better understanding of why you paint this type of picture because it isn't true.

If you don't like what I say, hit the ignore button

I won't explain myself to someone that has shown himself to understand zero to nothing about how racism works in this country

 

[cl-1b]

If you don't like what I say, hit the ignore button

I won't explain myself to someone that has shown himself to understand zero to nothing about how racism works in this country

what you said in that statement is a lie. Plain and simple 

 

[RustyShackleford]

If you don't like what I say, hit the ignore button


I won't explain myself to someone that has shown himself to understand zero to nothing about how racism works in this country

what you said in that statement is a lie. Plain and simple 

If you want to delude yourself, go right ahead, you have that freedom

 

[cl-1b]

If you want to delude yourself, go right ahead, you have that freedom

only one that is deluding them self is you with that statement. 

 

[cl-1b]

There is no way you can sit here and call every conservative a supporter of racism. Your full of **** for that 

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

There is no way you can sit here and call every conservative a supporter of racism. Your full of **** for that 

You're not going to be able to have a conversation with him until you realize he's not talking about racism as a form of hate, or individual prejudices. He's speaking about racism in a political context. Institutional and systemic racism and white supremacy as a system.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I called them supporters of systemic racism. Laws, policies and political systems that disadvantage minority groups

Not the feeling of hating black for just being black.

There is a difference. Racism manifest itself in different ways.

Of course not all conservatives are racist, i.e dislike minorities

 

[cl-1b]

no, what you did was place every white conservative in a box that says supporter of systemic racism.. and that isn't true. 

 

[RustyShackleford]

no, what you did was place every white conservative in a box that says supporter of systemic racism.. and that isn't true. 

You don't even know what systemic racism is though

 

[cl-1b]

You don't even know what systemic racism is though

fam.. every white conservative? You sound racist saying ish like that

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

Conservatives by nature are for the status quo though. They are for the current systems and institutions, and conservativism is the defense of those systems. So if statiscs show that some of these systems and institutions are racially biased and negatively and disproportionately affect one race or races and favors another (aka institutional/systemic racism) that means ideologically conservatives support systemic racism.

But many conservative's will try and say that institutional racism doesn't exist at all.

 

[RustyShackleford]

You don't even know what systemic racism is though

fam.. every white conservative? You sound racist saying ish like that

I sound racist, because you don't understand white supremacy and systemic racism.

I sure there a tons of people that have zero feelings of hate towards any minority, but still support policies that disproportionately hurt minorities.

Do I think Mike Bloomberg to be truly racist, that he hates minorities, nope. Have they support programs that greatly hurts blacks, yes.

 

[rexanglorum]

Rusty, you gave a great explanation about the political obstacles to Social Democracy.

What I was asking was what are the economic obstacles. I was trying to smoke out the folks who believe that only good Nordic people can be entrusted with a robust social safety safety net.

When pressed about thriving socialist countries, conservatives say that Germany and other Northern European countries are "different." I feel that some times at least, it is code for "lazy blacks would sponge off of a robust social safety net and collapse the whole project."

 

[cl-1b]

So what your saying is Dr. Ben Carson is a supporter of that type of racism because he is a conservative? Or anyone else that tends to swing right? 

Man that is the biggest crock of ****. I understand fine, I'm not incompetent. Your just as racist, if not more by sitting here saying every white that votes right supports systemic racism. That is a lie fam. 

 

[RustyShackleford]

Rusty, you gave a great explanation about the political obstacles to Social Democracy.

What I was asking was what are the economic obstacles. I was trying to smoke out the folks who believe that only good Nordic people can be entrusted with a robust social safety safety net.

When pressed about thriving socialist countries, conservatives say that Germany and other Northern European countries are "different." I feel that some times at least, it is code for "lazy blacks would sponge off of a robust social safety net and collapse the whole project."

-Purely economic, I can't think of any major ones right now.

-The only other issue I see is that Germany and the Nordic countries are generally much better governed.

For social democracy to be implemented, America will be a responsive governments to make the needed adjustments. Especially at the Federal level.

Corruption needs to be low, and our elected officials will have to stop indulging firms in the rent seeking behavior. Especially at the state an local level

-From an economic standpoint, America seems like the perfect country to adopt a more Nordic type system. Taxation may have to work differently though

If I remember correctly, Nordic countries tax consumption more, and opposed to America which tax income.

I'm not sure is just making America's tax code still income based but all progressive will be enough, or if we will have to transition to a VAT system too.

I'm of the opinion that just making income taxes more progressive could be enough

 

[MVP]

Yes, there can be black people that support white supremacy but you've made it abundantly clear you don't know how it works in the slightest.

 

[cl-1b]

Yes, there can be black people that support white supremacy but you've made it abundantly clear you don't know how it works in the slightest.

I think you guys are living in lala land. Brainwashed by the left. As a matter of fact, some of it sounds like something you would hear from Farrakhan at a Nation of Islam gathering. 

 

[MVP]

I think you guys are living in lala land. Brainwashed by the left. As a matter of fact, some of it sounds like something you would hear from Farrakhan at a Nation of Islam gathering. 

And what land does the right live in?

 

[mister friendly]

I don't understand why it's so hard for this poster to understand some people can support supremacy for a group they don't belong to.

 

[cl-1b]

I don't understand why it's so hard for this poster to understand some people can support supremacy for a group they don't belong to.

Thats irrelevant to what I'm saying. 

 

[MVP]

I don't understand why it's so hard for this poster to understand some people can support supremacy for a group they don't belong to.

He doesn't understand anything, I must admit this is elite trolling. No matter how many facts, explanations asked for and not received, exposures, he keeps on going.

 

[cl-1b]

He doesn't understand anything, I must admit this is elite trolling. No matter how many facts, explanations asked for and not received, exposures, he keeps on going.

But as soon as someone supports anything but leftist rhetoric, you come in yapping garbage.

 

[gwap]

sig check 

yall being trolled

 

[mister friendly]

I want to see good conservative philosophies discussed and explained but it just seems like shallow talking points and deflection.

 

[IATT]

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