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A little OFF TOPIC wouldnt you say. Do jump off the track of the fact i provided about libya. But I dont think you want a debate with me on healthcare but of course i didnt read the article so i cant say if i agree with it or not
Of course I would.

I think Obamacare is insufficient. It doesn't go far enough.

There needs to just be a public option with the option of a private option. 

Obamacare in its original form was a public option. It devolved into its current, REPUBLICAN state. Which is basically more insurance company control.
 
Of course I would.

I think Obamacare is insufficient. It doesn't go far enough.

There needs to just be a public option with the option of a private option. 

Obamacare in its original form was a public option. It devolved into its current, REPUBLICAN state. Which is basically more insurance company control.

Ok IM done you are still dodging the answer of the factual inaccuracy Biden stated regarding foreign policy.

And there is no point going into a healthcare debate
 
Its not independents that annoy me. I think those are the most reasonable people.

its undecided voters.

Who ARE these people?

I really believe this: If you are undecided by THIS point you are either stupid or not paying attention or both.
 
I remember T-Bone :lol:

You crazy left-wing liberals probably did run T-Bone's crazy conservative right-wing *** out of NT.

Truth remains tho, both of ya'll were crazy.:lol:
 
actually, i think TBONE got caught copying and pasting his views from a conservative forum.

pretty much got exposed for not being able to form his own opinion on matters.
 
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Thank you Joe Biden for being an ***, have some respect and let the man talk a bit
to the people calling Romney/Ryan liers and etc, didn't Obama promise sub 6% unemployment, AND to slash the debt? In b4 blame on bush

Like Mittens did? :lol: c'mon...
 
Thank you Joe Biden for being an ***, have some respect and let the man talk a bit
to the people calling Romney/Ryan liers and etc, didn't Obama promise sub 6% unemployment, AND to slash the debt? In b4 blame on bush
Like Mittens did?
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c'mon...
wait a minute. So now Obama gets unemployment back to the lowest its been since the recession and now its not LOW ENOUGH? 
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I'm done. 

(mind you, presidents have technically NO impact on the economy and definitely not unemployment like they say they do, so Obama's gains really aren't even completely his doing alone)
 
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Of course I would.

I think Obamacare is insufficient. It doesn't go far enough.

There needs to just be a public option with the option of a private option. 

Obamacare in its original form was a public option. It devolved into its current, REPUBLICAN state. Which is basically more insurance company control.
Ok IM done you are still dodging the answer of the factual inaccuracy Biden stated regarding foreign policy.

And there is no point going into a healthcare debate
What was biden's factual inaccuracy on foreign policy?
 
Where can I watch the entire vice presidential debate?

Nevermind, I found it.
 
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[h1]Letting us in on a secret[/h1][h3]By Dana Milbank, Published: October 10[/h3]
When House Republicans called a hearing in the middle of their long recess, you knew it would be something big, and indeed it was: They accidentally blew the CIA’s cover.

The purpose of Wednesday’s hearing of the Oversight and Government Reform Committee was to examine security lapses that led to the killing in Benghazi last month of the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three others. But in doing so, the lawmakers reminded us why “congressional intelligence” is an oxymoron.

Through their outbursts, cryptic language and boneheaded questioning of State Department officials, the committee members left little doubt that one of the two compounds at which the Americans were killed, described by the administration as a “consulate” and a nearby “annex,” was a CIA base. They did this, helpfully, in a televised public hearing.

Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) was the first to unmask the spooks. “Point of order! Point of order!” he called out as a State Department security official, seated in front of an aerial photo of the U.S. facilities in Benghazi, described the chaotic night of the attack. “We’re getting into classified issues that deal with sources and methods that would be totally inappropriate in an open forum such as this.”

A State Department official assured him that the material was “entirely unclassified” and that the photo was from a commercial satellite. “I totally object to the use of that photo,” Chaffetz continued. He went on to say that “I was told specifically while I was in Libya I could not and should not ever talk about what you’re showing here today.”

Now that Chaffetz had alerted potential bad guys that something valuable was in the photo, the chairman, Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), attempted to lock the barn door through which the horse had just bolted. “I would direct that that chart be taken down,” he said, although it already had been on C-SPAN. “In this hearing room, we’re not going to point out details of what may still in fact be a facility of the United States government or more facilities.”

May  still  be a facility? The plot thickened — and Chaffetz gave more hints. “I believe that the markings on that map were terribly inappropriate,” he said, adding that “the activities there could cost lives.”

In their questioning and in the public testimony they invited, the lawmakers managed to disclose, without ever mentioning Langley directly, that there was a seven-member “rapid response force” in the compound the State Department was calling an annex. One of the State Department security officials was forced to acknowledge that “not necessarily all of the security people” at the Benghazi compounds “fell under my direct operational control.”

And whose control might they have fallen under? Well, presumably it’s the “other government agency” or “other government entity” the lawmakers and witnesses referred to; Issa informed the public that this agency was not the FBI.

“Other government agency,” or “OGA,” is a common euphemism in Washington for the CIA. This “other government agency,” the lawmakers’ questioning further revealed, was in possession of a video of the attack but wasn’t releasing it because it was undergoing “an investigative process.”

Or maybe they were referring to the Department of Agriculture.

That the Benghazi compound had included a large CIA presence had been reported but not confirmed. The New York Times, for example, had reported that among those evacuated were “about a dozen CIA operatives and contractors.” The paper, like The Washington Post, withheld locations and details of the facilities at the administration’s request.

But on Wednesday, the withholding was on hold.

The Republican lawmakers, in their outbursts, alternated between scolding the State Department officials for hiding behind classified material and blaming them for disclosing information that should have been classified. But the lawmakers created the situation by ordering a public hearing on a matter that belonged behind closed doors.

Republicans were aiming to embarrass the Obama administration over State Department security lapses. But they inadvertently caused a different picture to emerge than the one that has been publicly known: that the victims may have been let down not by the State Department but by the CIA. If the CIA was playing such a major role in these events, which was the unmistakable impression left by Wednesday’s hearing, having a televised probe of the matter was absurd.

The chairman, attempting to close his can of worms, finally suggested that “the entire committee have a classified briefing as to any and all other assets that were not drawn upon but could have been drawn upon” in Benghazi.

Good idea. Too bad he didn’t think of that before putting the CIA on C-SPAN.

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[h1]Letting us in on a secret[/h1]

[h3]By Dana Milbank, Published: October 10
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When House Republicans called a hearing in the middle of their long recess, you knew it would be something big, and indeed it was: They accidentally blew the CIA’s cover.

The purpose of Wednesday’s hearing of the Oversight and Government Reform Committee was to examine security lapses that led to the killing in Benghazi last month of the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three others. But in doing so, the lawmakers reminded us why “congressional intelligence” is an oxymoron.

Through their outbursts, cryptic language and boneheaded questioning of State Department officials, the committee members left little doubt that one of the two compounds at which the Americans were killed, described by the administration as a “consulate” and a nearby “annex,” was a CIA base. They did this, helpfully, in a televised public hearing.

Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) was the first to unmask the spooks. “Point of order! Point of order!” he called out as a State Department security official, seated in front of an aerial photo of the U.S. facilities in Benghazi, described the chaotic night of the attack. “We’re getting into classified issues that deal with sources and methods that would be totally inappropriate in an open forum such as this.”

A State Department official assured him that the material was “entirely unclassified” and that the photo was from a commercial satellite. “I totally object to the use of that photo,” Chaffetz continued. He went on to say that “I was told specifically while I was in Libya I could not and should not ever talk about what you’re showing here today.”

Now that Chaffetz had alerted potential bad guys that something valuable was in the photo, the chairman, Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), attempted to lock the barn door through which the horse had just bolted. “I would direct that that chart be taken down,” he said, although it already had been on C-SPAN. “In this hearing room, we’re not going to point out details of what may still in fact be a facility of the United States government or more facilities.”

May still be a facility? The plot thickened — and Chaffetz gave more hints. “I believe that the markings on that map were terribly inappropriate,” he said, adding that “the activities there could cost lives.”

In their questioning and in the public testimony they invited, the lawmakers managed to disclose, without ever mentioning Langley directly, that there was a seven-member “rapid response force” in the compound the State Department was calling an annex. One of the State Department security officials was forced to acknowledge that “not necessarily all of the security people” at the Benghazi compounds “fell under my direct operational control.”

And whose control might they have fallen under? Well, presumably it’s the “other government agency” or “other government entity” the lawmakers and witnesses referred to; Issa informed the public that this agency was not the FBI.

“Other government agency,” or “OGA,” is a common euphemism in Washington for the CIA. This “other government agency,” the lawmakers’ questioning further revealed, was in possession of a video of the attack but wasn’t releasing it because it was undergoing “an investigative process.”

Or maybe they were referring to the Department of Agriculture.

That the Benghazi compound had included a large CIA presence had been reported but not confirmed. The New York Times, for example, had reported that among those evacuated were “about a dozen CIA operatives and contractors.” The paper, like The Washington Post, withheld locations and details of the facilities at the administration’s request.

But on Wednesday, the withholding was on hold.

The Republican lawmakers, in their outbursts, alternated between scolding the State Department officials for hiding behind classified material and blaming them for disclosing information that should have been classified. But the lawmakers created the situation by ordering a public hearing on a matter that belonged behind closed doors.

Republicans were aiming to embarrass the Obama administration over State Department security lapses. But they inadvertently caused a different picture to emerge than the one that has been publicly known: that the victims may have been let down not by the State Department but by the CIA. If the CIA was playing such a major role in these events, which was the unmistakable impression left by Wednesday’s hearing, having a televised probe of the matter was absurd.

The chairman, attempting to close his can of worms, finally suggested that “the entire committee have a classified briefing as to any and all other assets that were not drawn upon but could have been drawn upon” in Benghazi.

Good idea. Too bad he didn’t think of that before putting the CIA on C-SPAN.

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First its from the washington post but besides that I dont see how that relates to whether or not the state department had asked for additional security
 
Lists "non biased source"

Lists Fox News. 
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I read both articles.

Honestly I think they're not letting the entire story out and its just coincidental that "there never was enough security" and its the time to play the blame game.

Plus, I don't see how more people would have prevented a ROCKET ATTACK except them just not being there in the first place. 

I think the whole thing is shady, but you're going to have to do a little better than blame this purely on incompetence. 
 
You remember this line? 

Paul Ryan to Joe Biden: "You have no record to run on"

Biden has been a senator since his 30s. 
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