***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[SneakerProSr.]

what about those third party candidates

They won't gain any traction until the massive voter block the two parties have is broken up and we move away from a two party system.

Nothing will every change until this happens.

But the idiocy of Liberal VS Conservative is so ingrained in peoples' psyche its going to take something catastrophic to happen before the masses do something.

Its hilarious to me how people wear those labels like badges of honor.

 

[deleted]

"you've got to pray...just to make it today" - mc hammer

That's deep stuff from the Hammer Man

 

[IATT]

Why must the presidential candidate belive in the god?? hate that it gets forced

Masses..

For all the supposed freedom of religion people are way wayyyy wayyyyy wayyyyyyyyyyyy to judgey in that regard.. It's your choice, let people be

The fact that Bern is the first non Christian to win a Primary says a whole lot in that regard...

Hell.. Jfk was the only Roman Catholic president and that was a huge concern during his campaign

 

[cl-1b]

HIliary's slogan should just be "Obama Part 2".

All she does is ride him and throw his name out whenever she can.

That's all her years in office as president would amount to anyways... She would just conform to current policy and not change much at all. 

 

[frink85]

what about those third party candidates

 

[cl-1b]

what do you guys think the chances are of a brokered convention for the GOP? 

 

[IATT]

 

[RustyShackleford]

-The two party system is not the root of the dysfunction.

Matter of fact, you run the risk of more dysfunction with more parties.

If there were more parties, the coalition governments will have to be formed, but there will still be two major parties. But they would now have to cut deals with fringe groups to get enough votes to pass laws.

So what you would see is the big parties splintering.

There would probably be smaller a progressive (or social democrats), libertarians, and a far right parties. They would still ally themselves with the big parties.

The two major parties will then move to the center, to capture as many moderates as possible.

The major improvement I would see is that the main parties would no longer carry the baggage of their fringe groups.

Progressives, social democrats, and Bernie supporters gotta realize that moving to the left means it makes it harder for local and state level Dems in the south to campaign.

Same goes for Tea Partiers and far right conservatives. Pushing your party to the fringe has its consequences

A progressive can't win Kentucky, or Louisiana, or Mississippi, but a moderate Dem has a chance. And a moderate would be better for those places that a far right conservative IMO.

-The real answer IMO, is getting as much money out of politics as possible. And doing everything to increase voter turnout. The more you allow a candidate to answer to his electorate, the more he has the power to reject the influence of lobbyist and his own political party.

 

[superblytrife]

So who do you guys think won tonight's debate or looked better??

Looking at it from the perspective of what it was--a debate--Hillary looked better. And she usually does.

I love Bernie and what he stands for. But dude gives these grand, pie-in-the-sky answers too much. Like yo, I get that you want college to be free, but HOW? It isn't just this simple solution and you're not gonna get voted in and magically wave your hands to give everyone free college.

Love or hate her, Hillary is the more versed politician for these debates. Compared to Bern, she tends to consistently give specifics on what she plans to get done and most importantly, how. Not saying that what she says will come to fruition, because all presidential candidates run on the hopes and dreams of what they think the people want. And I'm not saying I believe her. But at some point people want to hear specifics and not just "tax the top 1%".

Hillary gives the appearance of being better prepared on the wide array of topics, IMO. Is that an illusion? You be the judge. But I think in a debate setting she generally shines. Debates just aren't Bernie's strong point.

 

[whywesteppin]

This CNN documentary on the JFK election is pretty good. Helps put things in perspective, especially looking at how strong the anti-Catholic rhetoric was back then compared to certain bigotry that persists today.

 

[IATT]

Florida has a pretty decent scheme regarding education.. using proceeds from the lottery

Then they have the Florida bright futures scholarship which residents can qualify for if they obtain a decent GPA and can go to any of the Florida state schools.. Literally like 65% of our graduating class qualified for it

But then you have the additional costs involved with school, which from what I heard is getting absurd (books, supplies, etc)

 

[RustyShackleford]

-I only thing holding Hillary back is all her baggage.

She always sounds better talking about/debating Bernie on policy. She is much better at breaking down her policies into digestible easy to follow points.

-Bernie has this weird problem with voters. A lot of voters don't know his policy proposals, they just right them off as too good to be true.

If voters did take the time to learn about Bern's policies, he would get more support.

But if voters dig too deep, and investigate more about Bernie's policies, then begin to sound to good to be true again, because of the assumptions Bernie's policies are based on.

It is a real funny position he is in with voters

 

[IATT]

This CNN documentary on the JFK election is pretty good. Helps put things in perspective, especially looking at how strong the anti-Catholic rhetoric was back then compared to certain bigotry that persists today.

They swore up and down he would be answering to the pope

 

[frink85]

what do you guys think the chances are of a brokered convention for the GOP? 

Does the candidate need the 1237 delegates or just the majority? Right now its too close, so if (big IF) it continues to trend this way in terms of delegate distribution then its looking brokered. All bets are off after California though.

 

[cl-1b]

-I only thing holding Hillary back is all her baggage.

She always sounds better talking about/debating Bernie on policy. She is much better at breaking down her policies into digestible easy to follow points.

-Bernie has this weird problem with voters. A lot of voters don't know his policy proposals, they just right them off as too good to be true.

If voters did take the time to learn about Bern's policies, he would get more support.

But if voters dig too deep, and investigate more about Bernie's policies, then begin to sound to good to be true again, because of the assumptions Bernie's policies are based on.

It is a real funny position he is in with voters

i can agree that people would be more open with Hillary if she wasn't engulfed in scandal and corruption.. The Clinton name would probably carry the weight for her but she is just a straight up liar and has been caught too many times. 

First off.. bernie sanders milked the tit of unemployment and couldn't work outside the government. If tax payers didn't exist, Bern wouldn't either. 

Policy wise bernie has some ok "social" ideas, but as far as business goes.. it will never happen. He would suffocate business and the private sector and jobs will be lost, only seeing expansion of government jobs due to more regulation. I just don't see it happening. 

 

[cl-1b]

 

what do you guys think the chances are of a brokered convention for the GOP? 

Does the candidate need the 1237 delegates or just the majority? Right now its too close, so if (big IF) it continues to trend this way in terms of delegate distribution then its looking brokered. All bets are off after California though.

well from what I've been hearing, they just flat out don't want to give trump the nomination even though the people clearly want him as the front runner. But yeah he needs the 1237 for them to hush i believe 

 

[RustyShackleford]

Diamond Joe just bodied Cruz

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...t-told-a-very-good-joke-at-ted-cruzs-expense/

 

[MVP]

He's only up 80 something delegates right now, but there's a few big take all states in the coming weeks, FL, OH, NC, IL this month. It should give some separation.

 

[Rootin4EverybodyBlack]

Crazy how Rubio is 3/20something so far, but if he wins Florida he takes all the delegates and he's back in the game.

Kasich, on the other hand, needs to call it quits.

 

[cl-1b]

Crazy how Rubio is 3/20something so far, but if he wins Florida he takes all the delegates and he's back in the game.

Kasich, on the other hand, needs to call it quits.

i don't think the polls are favoring rubio in florida at all right now tho 

 

[Nike Jordan]

 

[mr highness]

Bernie trying hard sucking up to the Black voters. But calling their communities ghetto is racist.



Hillary probably already got this, since Bernie already scared away his supported White liberals as his line drew criticism.

 

[slighted]

^ Youtube comment:

does this guy even have 4 years left of life?

 

[651akathepaul]

I've come around to the idea of Trump being president. I'm not scared about it.

 

[brendasdeadbaby]

How is calling our communities ghetto rasict?? people have use that term as long as I could remembered not just black communities as well but Jewish/Italian/Irish/Latino neighborhoods occupied have been called a ghetto before. Even we call/called it the ghetto.