***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[cl-1b]

They got highlights on YouTube.. But they had a roast.. Even British Prime minister went off


World war 3 would be set off.. Cause his act ain't going sit well with the Chinese

Who the hell cares that it won't sit well with the Chinese. None of these countries want to loose their trade surplus... and our trade deficit with China is like 500 billion at times and we owe them a trillion and a half. It would be like a little rich kid whining to their parents for money, knowing they have no other choice but to conform to what they say.

And then the next time Britain gets bombed by Isis David Cameron will be over here as fast as the planes can fly asking for help smiling at the cameras because Germany wouldn't want to get there hands dirty.

But nobody respects us around the world right now. Obama has been pushed around and is a joke with Putin, N Korea, Assad (didn't keep his word on the "red line"), etc. Leaders around the world respect strength. Not "nice guys" who can't take a stand.

Obama can't win, I've heard the same republicans who call him weak shunning him for using drones.



We're clearly gonna be much safer with Trump....basically that volatile friend you have to watch how much he drinks because he gets into bar fights. We're just going to get into another republican war I'm pretty sure we're going to lose.



Trump is going to gain our respect around the world? There are countries already petitioning to ban him from entering their country.

the only thing Obama did internationally was get stepped on. The international community somewhat likes him because they are able to get him to bow down and do what they ask. He's soft and with Bernie it would be worse.

Like I said before.. Go ahead and let them ban him. Lets realistically see how long it will last until they need us.

Jimmy Carter agrees with me. Who agrees with you? Random sneaker forum guys with Satan in their avy.

The devil was the first mythological being to demand equal rights. Intelligence, grace, and standing up to a tyrant are all Satanic virtues.


Let's not turn this into a religious debate, we all know the most Christ-like candidate in this election is Bernie Sanders.

[emoji]128514[/emoji][emoji]128514[/emoji][emoji]128514[/emoji] give it a rest my man. The Star of David and abortion has engulfed him. Nothing even close to Christ like

It's a two way street with Putin, Kim and Assad though the rest of the world thinks those dudes are nuts. Especially Kim this dude talking about if the U.S. and S. Korea hold training exercises together, it'll be taken as an act of war incited by the U.S. and homedude will immediately pop off and destroy the mainland . **** homie you ain't doing none of that

This dude is treating politics like rap beef. Yo we gotta protect our street cred in the world....Kim and Assad was talkin' bout us baby.



Who does that?

So go get a guy like Bernie sanders that will get STEPPED on worse then Obama and broker more garbage deals and raise trade deficits even more. You would be lucky to see any business grow under his communist-like strategy of over-regulation & tax as well. He is the prime example of a gov't worker that never held a private job in business and probably has animosity built up inside him because he could never be successful without big brother.

And if it was me, I'd want to annihilate that small little Korean man that just talks and talks about arming nukes and sending them straight to the USA.

These poor excuses for human beings are really asking me about the devil when they support a candidate that is sponsored by groups that have committed genocide.

It's 2016. Get over yourself and that methodical crap that doesnt exist today in the USA. You weren't a slave or an American Indian or a member of the holocaust were you? The only genocide you ever witnessed was written in a book somewhere.

 

[cl-1b]

You cats are reaching with the "ghetto" thing. Bernie came from the ghetto too, were you guys even listening??!!

He also has been syphoning government funds since day one. He would be non-existent without tax dollars

 

[slighted]

Establishments hate him. Can't push customary agendas. A mutiny is kinda strong. Not saying it's unlikely, but as with everything, we should pump the brakes a bit. Debates have Trump looking like a condescending prick with no political compass, but his one-on-ones come off much better, in my opinion. I should say though, that I'm not 100% in his camp at all. I'm just not 100% opposed to it.

So, he's president. He's thee one, who leads our country. Only, it's never really been just one man. There will be people around him that come off as more political savvy. A few weeks ago I heard a quick interview he had and he brought up the point about hiring/appointing the best of the best to head each position. That's the best philosophy, in my opinion. Manager/Owner/CEO -- hire people smarter than you in each particular area. If...IF...true to his word, it's not filled with the bs promises to same-party constituents who are chummy with their now highly ranked friend. Trump ain't looking to return favors. Sometimes you gotta be willing to take chance and I'm still questioning myself on whether this is one of those times.

This is all, of course, under the scenario of him actually becoming POTUS.

Hillary still has stronger footing, imo.

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

It's 2016. Get over yourself and that methodical crap that doesnt exist today in the USA. You weren't a slave or an American Indian or a member of the holocaust were you? The only genocide you ever witnessed was written in a book somewhere.

Question. So since slavery is over, and Jim Crow is over, and segregation is over, do you not think that those things have left an after affect on the black community as a whole or the the image/perception of blacks in America? Do you not think that being apart of a group that was not able to aquire and pass down any kind of wealth, buy and pass down property or have access to a quality education as recently as 55 years ago has anything to do with the current state of the African Americans today?

 

[cl-1b]

It's 2016. Get over yourself and that methodical crap that doesnt exist today in the USA. You weren't a slave or an American Indian or a member of the holocaust were you? The only genocide you ever witnessed was written in a book somewhere.

Question. So since slavery is over, and Jim Crow is over, and segregation is over, do you not think that those things have left an after affect on the black community as a whole or the the image/perception of blacks in America? Do you not think that being apart of a group that was not able to aquire and pass down any kind of wealth, buy and pass down property or have access to a quality education as recently as 55 years ago has anything to do with the current state of the African Americans today?

I've given my opinion on this numerous times, just check the posts. But sure I do think there is an effect left from those times. but I also feel like society has to run its course for things to change. Slavery is irrelevant to my point here tho I was using it as an example of genocide

 

[Belgium]

How about we look at polls of foreign people in foreign countries, to get a better idea of Obama's opinion overseas

Surprise, surprise, he is popular in most countries, much better than bush, especially in countries in Europe.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/06/24/7-charts-on-how-the-world-views-president-obama/

http://www.theatlantic.com/internat...d-really-losing-faith-in-barack-obama/371884/

http://www.gallup.com/poll/121991/world-citizens-views-leadership-pre-post-obama.aspx

-Btw famb, still waiting for you to explain to me how I can register to vote under my political ideology, instead or a political party. Thanks

I can personally vouch for this. Obama might as well be considered holy here. There were celebrations all over the country when Obama became president. My school scrapped an entire afternoon of classes to celebrate Obama's presidency. When he was running I saw more Obama propaganda on the streets than during an actual Belgian election 

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

I've given my opinion on this numerous times, just check the posts. But sure I do think there is an effect left from those times. but I also feel like society has to run its course for things to change. Slavery is irrelevant to my point here tho I was using it as an example of genocide

What does "let society run its course" mean though? Does that mean not advocating for change? Does that mean not acknowledging the ripple of effects of those times has caused so much inequality? Cause there are a lot of people on the right that think inequality ended with the civil rights movement and instead blame the short comings of the black community on culture and dependency on democratic social programs. I'm sorry I shifted focus off genocide but you brought up slavery like "it's over so stop talking about it" or Atleast that's what it came off like, so I wanted to get your view on that.

 

[cl-1b]

 

I've given my opinion on this numerous times, just check the posts. But sure I do think there is an effect left from those times. but I also feel like society has to run its course for things to change. Slavery is irrelevant to my point here tho I was using it as an example of genocide

What does "let society run its course" mean though? Does that mean not advocating for change? Does that mean not acknowledging the ripple of effects of those times has caused so much inequality? Cause there are a lot of people on the right that think inequality ended with the civil rights movement and instead blame the short comings of the black community on culture and dependency on democratic social programs. I'm sorry I shifted focus off genocide but you brought up slavery like "it's over so stop talking about it" or Atleast that's what it came off like, so I wanted to get your view on that.

Well first off, running its course includes social change of course. It is unfair to bring slavery back to our generation like it was our fault either and saying voting for a specific party TODAY includes supporting that type of rhetoric because it is a non-existent thing now. aka History. Sure racism still exists.. but it will take a die off of the older generation of racists to see more results and that won't even constitute them not passing it down to their kids... but it still won't cure racism. nothing will. In my view there will always be racist people to some extent... but these days its socially "unacceptable" to be racist in the USA. All the racist laws have been thrown out the window that target just blacks.. These new subliminal laws that everyone talks about are the same laws all of us are governed by.. white, black, latino, asian, muslim ect. The black community isn't the lone victim anymore. What really gets me is all these support groups want laws loosened such as drug laws and yada yada, but in reality these people need to be advocating change in these communities rather then thinking the problem lies in law. Its not o.k. to sell crack, white or black. 

Dependency on government will always be a huge reason of suppression, i don't care if you agree with me or not. There is no way you can sit here and tell me by giving out free foundation-less money is a way to help people in this country. Im not talking about necessity, but replacing a good quality job with easy money isn't going to do anything but keep whomever effected stagnant and dependent on those funds. What happens when the money runs out? Look at our debt 21 trillion projected when Obama leaves office... How do you fix any issue without money these days? it can't happen and we can't afford it. 

I'm not saying stop thinking about it.. I'm just saying that was 1880. We are in 2016 and people are letting slavery dictate their view of white people and their vote today. Its not right. We are all americans that want to prosper at the end of the day but have seemed to let the past dictate the future these days. The real help would be creating new jobs so these people can be employed with benefits for their family.. not extending them a gov't check and tell them another one is coming next month. Thats the real reason of the welfare system in this country. Suppression. 

We also chose to elect a lawyer to office when we needed a business minded economist and here is the problem with this. LAWYERS THRIVE OFF OF REGULATION. But the hinderance comes to the people who are effected by this... the americans that have to deal with regulation in a country where you are supposed to do what you want when you want how you want. Instead we are moving toward the opposite.. the left gov't wants more control to tell you no, you can't do this or that... But if you do it my way its o.k. People left countries like that to come to a place where you are the only person that tells yourself what to do as long as its within the law. Now we have big brother telling us which doctors to go to and if our heart scan is justified or not. Its absurd. 

 

[duba169]

Lol at people getting mad at bernie for using the term ghetto. Funny when the SJW eat their own

Meanwhile hillary calling kids super predators and it's whatever

 

[Nike Jordan]

If Hillary had made these exact same comments, the media, #BlackTwitter and NT would've buried her to oblivion. 

 

[duba169]

No they wouldn't. They would say that she understands their plight and point out that she met with the mothers of unarmed victims of violence.

 

[gry60]

cl-1b

The biggest flaw in your argument is that you underplay the importance of bias, which is formed by "History" that you conveniently dismiss.

In order to navigate and explain the world, we have come up with the concept of modeling, and the essential question of modeling is how do we use past data to predict what's going to happen.

Every human being holds biases (models) towards everything and everyone; they have been formed by their personal experience as well as what they have learned about those things and people (in other words, "past data" or "history"). Biases direct how we will interact with those things and people in any given situation ("prediction").

You want us to believe that the way the laws are written and applied is unbiased, but evidence suggests otherwise: it's not OK to sell crack OR cocaine, but who gets punished more: the crack seller, or the cocaine seller? And where is crack more prevalent? What about cocaine?

People don't mention slavery, Jim Crow, and unfair housing laws because they were direct victims of those events; they do it because those eras were responsible for creating a certain image of blackness, and it is an image that is still used today as a model from which laws and behaviors are drawn and interpreted. That is where History has a direct impact on our contemporary lives.

 

[cl-1b]

@CL-1B

The biggest flaw in your argument is that you underplay the importance of bias, which is formed by "History" that you conveniently dismiss.

In order to navigate and explain the world, we have come up with the concept of modeling, and the essential question of modeling is how do we use past data to predict what's going to happen.

Every human being holds biases (models) towards everything and everyone; they have been formed by their personal experience as well as what they have learned about those things and people (in other words, "past data" or "history"). Biases direct how we will interact with those things and people in any given situation ("prediction").

You want us to believe that the way the laws are written and applied is unbiased, but evidence suggests otherwise: it's not OK to sell crack OR cocaine, but who gets punished more: the crack seller, or the cocaine seller? And where is crack more prevalent? What about cocaine?

People don't mention slavery, Jim Crow, and unfair housing laws because they were direct victims of those events; they do it because those eras were responsible for creating a certain image of blackness, and it is an image that is still used today as a model from which laws and behaviors are drawn and interpreted. That is where History has a direct impact on our contemporary lives.

I'm not dismissing it.. I'm saying its the past and we need to move forward. Our generation doesn't behave the way that generation did nor are we taught the same values.. evolution has caused different instances to come to fruition. I just believe there are other ways to approach empowering poor communities rather then just handing out a check and saying the next one will be here the same time next month. 

Why does it matter.. illegal drugs are illegal drugs. If there were opportunity & jobs in these lower income communities they wouldn't have to resort to that. But on that note does the effect of cocaine and crack constitute the same high? no. Coke heads aren't acting possessed scavenging dumpsters and robbing people for a high.. thats crack homie. I agree with that having a harsher sentence, but rehabilitation shouldn't be out of the question either. I believe all of us deserve equal opportunity. It's not like people don't understand the consequences.. they do and still choose to do it. No one is forcing them to make crack and sell it on the street corner. Get the resort to drugs persona out of the low income community and replace that with lightly regulated business so people can grow with their communities. It's the only way you can ween people off of big brothers tit. 

 

[cl-1b]

career drug dealers aren't re-investing their money they make into business either. They continue to try to beat the hand of the law until it comes crashing down on them then point the finger afterwards. I do not feel bad for people that make this choice in life. There are other ways. 

 

[cl-1b]

 

Who the hell cares that it won't sit well with the Chinese. None of these countries want to loose their trade surplus... and our trade deficit with China is like 500 billion at times and we owe them a trillion and a half. It would be like a little rich kid whining to their parents for money, knowing they have no other choice but to conform to what they say.

And then the next time Britain gets bombed by Isis David Cameron will be over here as fast as the planes can fly asking for help smiling at the cameras because Germany wouldn't want to get there hands dirty.
the only thing Obama did internationally was get stepped on. The international community somewhat likes him because they are able to get him to bow down and do what they ask. He's soft and with Bernie it would be worse.

Like I said before.. Go ahead and let them ban him. Lets realistically see how long it will last until they need us.
[emoji]128514[/emoji][emoji]128514[/emoji][emoji]128514[/emoji] give it a rest my man. The Star of David and abortion has engulfed him. Nothing even close to Christ like
So go get a guy like Bernie sanders that will get STEPPED on worse then Obama and broker more garbage deals and raise trade deficits even more. You would be lucky to see any business grow under his communist-like strategy of over-regulation & tax as well. He is the prime example of a gov't worker that never held a private job in business and probably has animosity built up inside him because he could never be successful without big brother.

And if it was me, I'd want to annihilate that small little Korean man that just talks and talks about arming nukes and sending them straight to the USA.
It's 2016. Get over yourself and that methodical crap that doesnt exist today in the USA. You weren't a slave or an American Indian or a member of the holocaust were you? The only genocide you ever witnessed was written in a book somewhere.

You can't reason with people like this word to anyone in the bible belt.

Religion

God

Handouts

Welfare queen

Blacks have bad culture

Slavery was 4 billion years ago

It's 2016

Race card

Jesus had guns.

Abortion is murder

We need to drop more bombs and kill more Muslims

Am I doing it right?

maybe its you that can't be reasoned with. You ever think about that? You ever think that you are part of the problem and not the solution preaching that garbage? 

 

[cl-1b]

Im from Chicago btw.. no bible belt here fam

 

[cl-1b]

 

Why don't you go back to the church of satan and preach those values to the youth.. lets see how much good they do in the poor communities. Hey, they do support slavery as long as they are an "artificial human companion". 

 

[cl-1b]

maybe a little magic wouldn't hurt either 

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

Well first off, running its course includes social change of course. It is unfair to bring slavery back to our generation like it was our fault either and saying voting for a specific party TODAY includes supporting that type of rhetoric because it is a non-existent thing now. aka History. Sure racism still exists.. but it will take a die off of the older generation of racists to see more results and that won't even constitute them not passing it down to their kids... but it still won't cure racism. nothing will. In my view there will always be racist people to some extent... but these days its socially "unacceptable" to be racist in the USA. All the racist laws have been thrown out the window that target just blacks.. These new subliminal laws that everyone talks about are the same laws all of us are governed by.. white, black, latino, asian, muslim ect. The black community isn't the lone victim anymore. What really gets me is all these support groups want laws loosened such as drug laws and yada yada, but in reality these people need to be advocating change in these communities rather then thinking the problem lies in law. Its not o.k. to sell crack, white or black. 

I think the biggest issues when it comes to racism and why it's so hard for some people to understand how it exists today is that it isn't overt anymore. Maybe racism isn't the right word to explain it to those that don't experience it because of its historical context. For the sake of further clarification let's call it extreme racial bias. Whether you believe laws and policies and even societal views as a whole were purposefully put into place to target blacks as a whole. But regardless of intention, blacks and other POC are not affected by laws and polices in the same ways that their white counter parts are. And that's a statistical fact. Especially within the criminal justice system. That's what we're calling racism here or extreme racial bias.

"A black man is three times more likely to be searched at a traffic stop, and six times more likely to go jail than a white person. Blacks make up nearly 40 percent of arrests for violent crimes. Blacks aren’t pulled over (and subsequently jailed) more frequently because they’re more prone to criminal behavior. They’re pulled over much more frequently because there is an “implicit racial association of black Americans with dangerous or aggressive behavior,” the Sentencing Project found.

The numbers get ridiculous in certain parts of the country, the project found. On the New Jersey Turnpike, for instance, blacks make up 15 percent of drivers, more than 40 percent of stops and 73 percent of arrests – even though they break traffic laws at the same rate as whites. In New York City, blacks and Hispanics were three and four times as likely to be stopped and frisked as whites.

But the disparities become appalling in court.

If a black person kills a white person, they are twice as likely to receive the death sentence as a white person who kills a black person. Local prosecutors are much more likely to upgrade a case to felony murder if you’re black than if you’re white."
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/at-the-edge/2015/05/06/institutional-racism-is-our-way-of-life

Dependency on government will always be a huge reason of suppression, i don't care if you agree with me or not. There is no way you can sit here and tell me by giving out free foundation-less money is a way to help people in this country. Im not talking about necessity, but replacing a good quality job with easy money isn't going to do anything but keep whomever effected stagnant and dependent on those funds. What happens when the money runs out? Look at our debt 21 trillion projected when Obama leaves office... How do you fix any issue without money these days? it can't happen and we can't afford it.

I'm not saying stop thinking about it.. I'm just saying that was 1880. We are in 2016 and people are letting slavery dictate their view of white people and their vote today. Its not right. We are all americans that want to prosper at the end of the day but have seemed to let the past dictate the future these days. The real help would be creating new jobs so these people can be employed with benefits for their family.. not extending them a gov't check and tell them another one is coming next month. Thats the real reason of the welfare system in this country. Suppression. 

I agree that dependency is a problem, it sure as hell isn't a solution. But even if you take those programs away does that change the fact that these poor often minority filled areas have a lack of quality education with undermotivated and underpaid teachers. Severe lack of opportunity when it comes to jobs and careers, and crippling poverty that is in many cases passed down generationally? Social welfare programs was never a solution to those things. But so many people both in society and in power think that it's a culture problem and a community problem that the people have to figure out for themselves. I agree dependency is a problem and the notion that the "left" pushes for it is also an issue but the conservative "boot strap" philosophy assumes at base everyone has equal footing. When that clearly isn't true. Creating more jobs doesn't mean anything if poor kids aren't getting the same quality of education as kids in suburbs, more jobs don't change the fact that racial bias is rapant in job recruitment and hiring. Yes dependency is a problem. But extreme racial prejudice that exists in all levels of society does much more damage and transcends class when it comes to minorities.

I feel like fundamentally conservatives believe that anyone can overcome their situation and make it out of poverty or whatever cards they were dealt but that simply isn't true. And when conservatives default to the bootstraps philosophy it allows them to skip over the fact that 70% of people born into poverty stay in poverty and actually figure out why that is the case.

 

[Belgium]

The concept of systemic racism and racial inequality in the criminal justice system has been explained to CL-1B many times over. It's a lost cause.

His reponse will be "show me where the law states that this affects black people more" or "this is hearsay"

 

[rillo561]

We all know that's the game they play. Everything is coded up.

 

[gry60]

[@=https://niketalk.com/members/170735"History" that you conveniently dismiss.


In order to navigate and explain the world, we have come up with the concept of modeling, and the essential question of modeling is how do we use past data to predict what's going to happen.


Every human being holds biases (models) towards everything and everyone; they have been formed by their personal experience as well as what they have learned about those things and people (in other words, "past data" or "history"). Biases direct how we will interact with those things and people in any given situation ("prediction").


You want us to believe that the way the laws are written and applied is unbiased, but evidence suggests otherwise: it's not OK to sell crack OR cocaine, but who gets punished more: the crack seller, or the cocaine seller? And where is crack more prevalent? What about cocaine?


People don't mention slavery, Jim Crow, and unfair housing laws because they were direct victims of those events; they do it because those eras were responsible for creating a certain image of blackness, and it is an image that is still used today as a model from which laws and behaviors are drawn and interpreted. That is where History has a direct impact on our contemporary lives.

I'm not dismissing it.. I'm saying its the past and we need to move forward. Our generation doesn't behave the way that generation did nor are we taught the same values.. evolution has caused different instances to come to fruition. I just believe there are other ways to approach empowering poor communities rather then just handing out a check and saying the next one will be here the same time next month. 

Why does it matter.. illegal drugs are illegal drugs. If there were opportunity & jobs in these lower income communities they wouldn't have to resort to that. But on that note does the effect of cocaine and crack constitute the same high? no. Coke heads aren't acting possessed scavenging dumpsters and robbing people for a high.. thats crack homie. I agree with that having a harsher sentence, but rehabilitation shouldn't be out of the question either. I believe all of us deserve equal opportunity. It's not like people don't understand the consequences.. they do and still choose to do it. No one is forcing them to make crack and sell it on the street corner. Get the resort to drugs persona out of the low income community and replace that with lightly regulated business so people can grow with their communities. It's the only way you can ween people off of big brothers tit. 

I'm not talking about empowerment; I'm talking about the application of justice and how it is not as unbiased as you want to believe, from the way the police interacts with the public, to the way the judges hand out verdicts and sentences. How do you account for bias (which you admitted exists, since you said racism will never be eradicated)?

 

[whywesteppin]

let's not attack people's religions in here. if some of you are so gung-ho about the 2nd amendment and the constitution, then please respect freedom of religion and separation of church and state.

 

[IATT]

If you're going to attack someone's religion, you better be holding your own accountable for atrocities committed over the years

I'm not overly religious but I am Roman catholic.. I would be an outright fool if I turned a blind eye to the crap them dudes were doing

 

[IATT]

let's not attack people's religions in here. if some of you are so gung-ho about the 2nd amendment and the constitution, then please respect freedom of religion and separation of church and state.

Yup, jumping right over the 1st amendment and championing the saving of any/all kinds of guns under the 2nd amendment