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Ironically, Bernie is outspending Trillary.
 
Bernie is clearly having trouble talking about structural racism in the primary. Hillary will have similar problems talking about social class, not economics or jobs, social class and the lack of class mobility in this country.

Because of the forces of history, a lot of black and Latino voters are concerned with having any kind of a job and not being murdered or kidnapped by the state. White voters have the luxury of demanding more, white voters have a collective memory of making middle class wages without college degrees and being all but assured upper-middle class wages if you did have a college degree.

Just as Bernie's voting record and rhetoric on black and Latino issues are not bad, Clinton's more recent rhetoric on economics is pretty pro worker. However, white workers will be skeptical of her in a general. Unless the DNC and Hillary can seriously purge the neo liberal elements in the party, she will struggle with white workers and we could be looking down the barrel of a trump Presidency.
 
She actually did very well with white workers last time in 2008 and done reasonably well so far. I don't think it matters though, that demographic is becoming less and less of a factor each election. More minority participation, women, and the general divisiveness of Trump will end up in him getting washes.
 
"Make America Great Again" is just the "Change" campaign for conservatives. How do people not see this. It's all pyscho-social. Has absolutely nothing to do with policy.
 
"Make America Great Again" is just the "Change" campaign for conservatives. How do people not see this. It's all pyscho-social. Has absolutely nothing to do with policy.

Have you listened to his rally speeches? Read the positions on his website? Listened to his interviews? All the policy info is there. He has more answers than Bernie does that's for sure.
 
Hilldawg about to complete the sweep...didn't see this coming at all. 
 
"Build a wall, Mexico will pay for it".

Yeah, that's a totally reasonable policy with a ton of detailed specifics. :lol

He's explained that issue and how they'd pay dozens of times. You don't have to agree but he's explained it over and over.
 
its difficult to pinpoint Trumps actual policy positions because of y'know the constant lying.


He says the rich will pay more under his tax plan = his tax plan on his website is the BIGGEST tax cut on the wealthy, would also double the deficit. :lol

he says everyone will be covered under his health plan = it would take health care away from 30 + million. :lol


also allowing health care to be sold across state is one of those ideas that sounds good to a layman but is completely insane if you think about it for two seconds.
 
its difficult to pinpoint Trumps actual policy positions because of y'know the constant lying.


He says the rich will pay more under his tax plan = his tax plan on his website is the BIGGEST tax cut on the wealthy, would also double the deficit.
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he says everyone will be covered under his health plan = it would take health care away from 30 + million.
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also allowing health care to be sold across state is one of those ideas that sounds good to a layman but is completely insane if you think about it for two seconds.
It's really comical how he's been able to get away with this con job.
 
 
"Make America Great Again" is just the "Change" campaign for conservatives. How do people not see this. It's all pyscho-social. Has absolutely nothing to do with policy.
Have you listened to his rally speeches? Read the positions on his website? Listened to his interviews? All the policy info is there. He has more answers than Bernie does that's for sure.
Bernie hasn't worked for 1 private business in his life, let alone ran his own establishment. How would a man like that know how to regulate and what to regulate regarding business?! He most likely holds a vengeance toward these types of people and it's prob some of the reason he wants to tax the top earners so heavily.
"Build a wall, Mexico will pay for it".

Yeah, that's a totally reasonable policy with a ton of detailed specifics.
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It is easily understood if you figure in the trade deficit factor. That means 50 cents on the dollar is going TO Mexico for every dollar coming IN from Mexico.

This money will easily finance the project.
 
Yea I think trumps point is that we have a $58 billion dollar trade deficit with Mexico. The wall will cost $10-$12 billion. If we lower the trade deficit to just $48 billion a year, the wall is payed for.
 
"Make America Great Again" is just the "Change" campaign for conservatives. How do people not see this. It's all pyscho-social. Has absolutely nothing to do with policy.

Have you listened to his rally speeches? Read the positions on his website? Listened to his interviews? All the policy info is there. He has more answers than Bernie does that's for sure.

An answer or explanation does not equal policy info. It's like multiple choice vs. essay. What I'm saying is 90% of his supporters wouldn't know good policy if it slapped them across the face. And same goes for Obama before you throw a hissy fit. It's all just pandering.
 
he says everyone will be covered under his health plan = it would take health care away from 30 + million.
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 health care to be sold across state
He doesn't have a health plan.. you need to understand he wants privatized insurance, not something like hillary care or obama care. It will go back to the way it was before obama passed the ACA.

If you could buy insurance from any insurance company in your state, what sense would it make to not allow to buy from an insurance company stationed out of Cali if your from ny?!

Insurance companies need to go back to being insurance companies... Not DOCTOR. 
 
You lower the trade deficit through exports, which right now and in every GDP report are faaaaaaar outweighed by the imports. That's how our trade deficit has swelled so large, we don't export even close to what we're bringing in from elsewhere.
 
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You lower the trade deficit through exports, which right now and in every GDP report are faaaaaaar outweighed by the imports. That's how our trade deficit has swelled so large.
HOW do you have exports increase when the leftists regulate business & business tax so stringently that it forces them to bring their manufacturing centers to other countries because it is not possible financially on the home-front tho?

Then the supposed to be exports turn into technical imports lol

Lefty problem. 
 
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its difficult to pinpoint Trumps actual policy positions because of y'know the constant lying.


He says the rich will pay more under his tax plan = his tax plan on his website is the BIGGEST tax cut on the wealthy, would also double the deficit.
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Who told you it would double the deficit? Thats obscenely false and un-true. 
 
He doesn't have a health plan.. you need to understand he wants privatized insurance, not something like hillary care or obama care. It will go back to the way it was before obama passed the ACA.

If you could buy insurance from any insurance company in your state, what sense would it make to not allow to buy from an insurance company stationed out of Cali if your from ny?!
Insurance companies need to go back to being insurance companies... Not DOCTOR. 

a. He does have a plan. he's not just releaing obama care, but replacing it.


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https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform

b. obacare is mostly privatized insurance, just with medicare expansion to cover those who insurance wont cover.


c. Sellign across state lines is dumb because regulations for how insurgence can be, sold, what standard need to be met are handled by the states, selling across state lines defeates that purpose, all the insurance companies would just encorperate in the state with the laxest laws. like corperations do with delaware.

also selling insurance isn't like selling cars, you have to create doctor networks, deals with hospitals, and a new insurance comapny would have to compete with deeply deeply entrenched monopolies and duopolies making pointless, 99% of insurance companies wont bother.


some states have done this, allowed out of state insurance companies to be sold in their state. and it does nothing, becuase its too difficult for outside insurance comapnies to penetrate the market.
 
basically if you want insurance to be sold across state lines = insurance regulations must be controller by the federal government.


but if you don't the feds deciding health insurance regulations = insurance can't be sold across state lines.




either or.
 
Barack Obama socialized medicine in the united states. Its much different.. his way is called single payer socialized medicine. 

Trump wants to go back to privatized insurance with no gov't involvement. Thats exactly what that chart is showing you. 
 
Barack Obama socialized medicine in the united states. Its much different.. his way is called single payer socialized medicine. 

Trump wants to go back to privatized insurance with no gov't involvement. Thats exactly what that chart is showing you. 

no, thats a misconception. single payer means no insurance companies, basically the goverment is the insurance companies and they pay the doctors, this would be like canada,


obamacare, is a market place for insurance + subsidies + medicade expansion.
 
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Barack Obama was trying to get universal coverage done, not single payer.

I can understand why a conservative would be against the single payer, but they should be for universal coverage.

-And lets remember, most people in America get their heath insurance subsidized (or provided) by the federal government. That was the case even the ACA too
 
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the link you posted says

"A pure universal single payer health care system would be paid, in part, through taxes based on income replacing insurance premiums, copays, deductibles, etc. All plans would have the same benefits and networks. This would replace our multi-tiered system that rewards income with quality care."

not obama care.
 
Yall are something else :lol

I'm always shocked when I see Bernie win a state. So seeing yall disappointed he's losing like you aint expect it is catching me off guard.

From the jump I feel like everything was framed for Trillary to win the whole thing. She has no obstacles this time around.
 
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