***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[dathbgboy]

Sad but true. Like I mentioned earlier, the thought of what he wants is enough for the majority

 

[Rootin4EverybodyBlack]

Again tho, what specifically about Hillary's platform directly improves the lives of African Americans?

We keep harping on Bernie being light on details, but outside of foreign policy, Hillary is just as vague.

I've watched every debate/town hall and I've yet to here her specifically address what she's going to do to improve the lives of minorities in this country. At least Bernie said he wants the DOJ to investigate every police killing (which still isn't enough). But I've heard ZERO specifics from Hillary.

 

[gry60]

its difficult to pinpoint Trumps actual policy positions because of y'know the constant lying.



He says the rich will pay more under his tax plan = his tax plan on his website is the BIGGEST tax cut on the wealthy, would also double the deficit.


he says everyone will be covered under his health plan = it would take health care away from 30 + million.



also allowing health care to be sold across state is one of those ideas that sounds good to a layman but is completely insane if you think about it for two seconds.

It's really comical how he's been able to get away with this con job.

That's because he's the best in the business of conning.


Armada

I feel like a Sanders presidency (and by sanders presidency I mean someone with similar ideals and plans) would be effective 25-35 years from now depending on how things go and a GOP president doesn't get in office

From what I've seen, people (Democrats) will say the same thing in 25 years.

Democrats have not learned from 2010 and the loss of the House; they haven't learned from 2014 and the loss of the Senate; they haven't learned from the fact that more states have Republican governors than Democrat ones, and some of those states are in worse shape than 4 or 8 years ago.

The reason I supported Bernie goes beyond his policies: I didn't expect him to fix everything within 4 or maybe 8 years, but I believe that by the way he ran his campaign, he would be the one to periodically remind the American people that their political participation is necessary in order to implement the kind of progress we approve of. We put Obama in the White House and forgot about supporting him and his policies in 2010, resulting in 6 years of governing by executive orders because of a divided Congress. We can't repeat that after this election.

 

[slighted]

Again tho, what specifically about Hillary's platform directly improves the lives of African Americans?

We keep harping on Bernie being light on details, but outside of foreign policy, Hillary is just as vague.

I've watched every debate/town hall and I've yet to here her specifically address what she's going to do to improve the lives of minorities in this country. At least Bernie said he wants the DOJ to investigate every police killing (which still isn't enough). But I've heard ZERO specifics from Hillary.

She won't need to.

 

[Armada]

Again tho, what specifically about Hillary's platform directly improves the lives of African Americans?

We keep harping on Bernie being light on details, but outside of foreign policy, Hillary is just as vague.

I've watched every debate/town hall and I've yet to here her specifically address what she's going to do to improve the lives of minorities in this country. At least Bernie said he wants the DOJ to investigate every police killing (which still isn't enough). But I've heard ZERO specifics from Hillary.

We aren't gonna get directly improve every election cycle sometimes we have to vote to not further destroy like this election cycle. 

And she has mentioned specifics before so I don't think thats fair to say. For example on criminal justice reform below.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?325657-1/hillary-clinton-remarks-criminal-justice-reform

Hillary Clinton Remarks at Columbia University  Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton delivered a keynote address at Columbia University about the criminal justice system and incidents of police violence against unarmed black men in Ferguson, New York, South Carolina, and Baltimore. She called for broad criminal justice reforms, including mandatory use of body cameras by U.S. police departments and sentencing reform. 

And even more specifics on the criminal justice page on her campaigns website 

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/criminal-justice-reform/

Spoiler: Hilary Clinton Criminal Justice Reform

 
Hillary believes that, to successfully reform our criminal justice system, we must work to strengthen the bonds of trust between our communities and our police, end the era of mass incarceration, and ensure a successful transition of individuals from prison to home. As president, she will: 

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  Work to strengthen bonds of trust between communities and police.Effective policing and constitutional policing go hand-in-hand—we can and must do both. Hillary will work to promote effective, accountable, constitutional policing, including:
  • 
    Making new investments to support state-of-the-art law enforcement training programs at every level on issues such as implicit bias, use of force, de-escalation, community policing and problem solving, alternatives to incarceration, crisis intervention, and officer safety and wellness. 
  • 
    Strengthening the U.S. Department of Justice’s pattern or practice unit  by increasing resources, working to secure subpoena power, and improving data collection for pattern or practice investigations. 
  • 
    Doubling funding for the U.S. Department of Justice “Collaborative Reform” program  to provide technical assistance and training to agencies that undertake voluntary efforts toward transformational reform of their police departments. Across the country, there are police departments deploying creative and effective strategies that we can learn from and build on.
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    Supporting legislation to end racial profiling  by federal, state, and local law enforcement officials. 
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    Providing federal matching funds to make body cameras available to every police officer to increase transparency and accountability on both sides of the lens.
  • 
    Promoting oversight and accountability in use of controlled equipment by limiting the transfer of military equipment by the federal government to local law enforcement, eliminating the one-year use requirement, and requiring transparency by agencies that purchase equipment using federal funds.
  • 
    Collecting and reporting national data on policing  to inform policing strategies and provide greater transparency and accountability, including robust state and local data on issues such as crime, officer involved shootings, and deaths in custody.
  • 
    Creating national guidelines for use of force  that recognize the need for officers to protect their safety and the safety of others, but emphasize use of force as a last resort and at the appropriate level. The federal government has an important role to play in standardizing best practices for the use of force.
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  Take action on mandatory minimum sentences.  Excessive federal mandatory minimum sentences keep nonviolent drug offenders in prison for longer than is necessary or useful and have increased racial inequality in our criminal justice system. Hillary will reform mandatory minimum sentences, including:
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    Reducing mandatory minimum sentences for nonviolent drug offenses  by cutting them in half. 
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    Applying Fair Sentencing Act of 2010 retroactively  to allow current nonviolent prisoners to seek fairer sentences.
  • 
    Eliminating the sentencing disparity for crack and powder cocaine so that equal amounts of crack and powder cocaine carry equal sentences and applying this change retroactively.
  • 
    Reforming the “strike” system to focus on violent crime  by narrowing the category of prior offenses that count as strikes to exclude nonviolent drug offenses, and reducing the mandatory penalty for second- and third-strike offenses.
  • 
    Granting additional discretion to judges in applying mandatory minimum sentences by expanding the “safety valve” to a larger set of cases. 
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  Focus federal enforcement resources on violent crime, not simple marijuana possession. Marijuana arrests, including for simple possession, account for a huge number of drug arrests. Further, significant racial disparities exist in marijuana enforcement, with black men significantly more likely to be arrested for marijuana possession than their white counterparts, even though usage rates are similar. Hillary believes we need an approach to marijuana that includes:
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    Allowing states that have enacted marijuana laws to act as laboratories of democracy, as long as they adhere to certain federal priorities such as not selling to minors, preventing intoxicated driving, and keeping organized crime out of the industry. 
  • 
    Rescheduling marijuana from a Schedule I to a Schedule II substance. Hillary supports medical marijuana and would reschedule marijuana to advance research into its health benefits. 
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  Prioritize treatment and rehabilitation—rather than incarceration—for low-level, nonviolent drug offenders. Over half of prison and jail inmates suffer from a mental health problem, and up to 65 percent of the correctional population meets the medical criteria for a substance use disorder. Hillary will ensure adequate training for law enforcement  for crisis intervention and referral to treatment, as appropriate, for low-level, nonviolent drug offenders with mental health or addiction problems. She will also direct the attorney general to issue guidance  to federal prosecutors on seeking treatment over incarceration for low-level, nonviolent drug crimes. Read moreon Hillary’s plan to tackle America’s epidemic of addiction.
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  End the privatization of prisons.  Hillary believes we should move away from contracting out this core responsibility of the federal government to private corporations, and from creating private industry incentives that may contribute—or have the appearance of contributing—to over-incarceration. The campaign does not accept contributions from federally registered lobbyists or PACs for private prison companies, and will donate any such direct contributions to charity.
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  Promote successful re-entry by formerly incarcerated individuals.This year, the number of people released from state or federal prison will reach approximately 600,000. For those given a second chance, and for the health and safety of the communities to which those individuals return, the reentry pathway must not be littered with barriers, but rather paved with a fair opportunity for success. Clinton will work to remove barriers and create pathways to employment, housing, health care, education, and civic participation, including:
  • 
    Taking executive action to “ban the box”  for federal employers and contractors, so that applicants have an opportunity to demonstrate their qualifications before being asked about their criminal records.
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    Supporting legislation to restore voting rights  to individuals who have served their sentences.

 

[cl-1b]

This guy just linked to a site called Commieblaster to support his argument 

There is a wealth of leftist exposure on there. It details the specifics of the left agenda very simply. You would be surprised what you can find on there.

 

[MVP]

Funny thing is Rusty and others including myself throughout this process have been saying that Bernie was going to regret not pandering early on to minorities in general. And the chickens have come to roost. Can't blame the constituents if they don't feel a candidate cares about them.

He's somewhat in the same boat as Drumpf, his message is only reaching a few demographics namely the young & independent vote. He's been getting beat 2 to 1 by Hillary in Democrats across the board. I don't see how that's a viable candidate in the party of you can't get close to a majority of the main party voters.

 

[RustyShackleford]

-Benrie's plan and Hilary's plan mirror each other a lot because they are both mainstream liberal criminal justice reforms that has been kicked around. Benrie does take it a step further with DOJ but that is an idea he picked up from Obama's Ferguson commission. And I'm not sure but I beleive Hillary has said she supports such an idea too. To me, Sanders is only slightly better than Hillary on criminal justice reform. But still better

-Now there is the thing, criminal justice reform is not the only issues facing the black community. White supremacy manifest itself in many different ways. Bernie routinely goes in front the camera and acts shock about some new way he heard black people are being oppressed. To some, especially his whiter base, they think this comes off as him caring, him wanting to help. But many black folk probably just roll their eyes at stuff like that. Like really old white man, racism is taking you by surprise.

Hillary speaks about race in a much more genuine manner, whether she is genuine or not is debatable, but the way she presents her views are more appealing. She doesn't really act surprised, she admits that any act is just one one injury to a community that has gotten washed for generations. She gives specifics on how to solve the individual problem (pragmatism), speaks about working to empower black people (mainstream pandering), she says that she will hunt oppression in the system (saying this makes it appeal to a broader base that just saying "If you kid is killed) I'll send the DOJ), then she does something Bernie doesn't. She tells people, especially white people that a discussion about race and racism needs to happen in this country, and it needs to be a constant discussion.

This is very important.

She doesn't promise her policies will be a cure all like Bernie in most areas. While that hurts her with progressive white because progressive white believe that deserve better, it helps her with the black community because they know no one person can/will solve their problems, so she comes off as having more sense. That she is promising only to be on the black communities side when white supremacy lashed out at them, to try to get some of it out the system, and have a national conversation about race.

Because I have to think older black people feel some type of way of how Obama got treated. Progressives love to harp on his shortcomings, but to black folk, having a president that didn't extend white supremacy for 8 years was kinda nice.

So Hillary messaging is basically saying, you'll get that, plus what everyone denied to Obama, a national discussion about racism

-That brings us to Bill.

First off, older black people didn't just like Bill because of some superficial reason. The term first black president was not meant to be a compliment. LINK

It was actually saying than even though Bill was popular, excelled at his job, that his reputation (his world) was getting destroyed because of something that had nothing to do with his presidency really.

Secondly, to understand the hate conservatives had for Bill, you have to think of how he treated black people. The only thing a racist hates more than a n-word, is a n-word lover. Bill was seen as that. In the eyes of black people he was relatable. He grew up poor in the South with no father. He spent a lot of time around black people, he was comfortable around them, not in a pandering way either. But in a "these are my equals" type of way. Dave Chapelle probably said it best, the way Bill's interacted with, and spoke to black people was genuine.

Bill seemed to like and care about black people. And conservatives hated him for that

His crime against the black community as inexcusable though. He was warned against what would happen, but he let his neoliberal "all you gotta do in take away the obstacles for people to flourish" ideology get in the way. But the thing in this case the thing he said where getting in black people way were other black people, specially gang members. The funny things was, a lot of black people agreed with him. When your community is a warzone some folk got lil time to think about the socio-economic system that lead to them being stuck around gangs waging war over the local drug trade. Many thought, and Clinton argued, that if will lock the few bad ones up, then that will allow the "good" ones to flourish. He could even use himself as an example even though he wasn't black. Because like I said, he came from a similar back ground and made his way out. So it is easy to think it would be that easy for a black kid apologized

He was wrong, dead wrong, so wrong he did something a former president rarely does. He said he was wrong.

But older black folk will remember during that time that he was kinda doing it for them in some strange way, because like I said, it wasn't as unpopular as it is now. And they remember Bill caring about black folk after 12 years of Reagan and Bush not giving a ****, they remember Bill appointing black folk to high profile positions, they remember Bill chopping it up smoothly with black folk in a way no president had none before. Plus this was a Southern white dude doing this.

And they remember his wife, who was right by his side, even when he made her look like a fool nationally.

-So the Clinton's to them are not the bad guy, matter of fact, they are the opposite of that too many. They are flawed, they are done some inexcusable **** imo, but it hasn't been all bad. That is kinda their thing, 75% great 25% ****. And older black folk, remember the great. Because in context, the Clintons seem like they were much better than anything that came before them.

 

[dathbgboy]

Very well put @RustyShackelford

It sucks reading that knowing that some of the problems w/ us we inflict on ourselves and there's no progress in really combating the actions.

 

[Armada]

Just a quick PSA: Be careful talking politics at the barber shop right now y'all [emoji]128514[/emoji]

Source: convo I just had 10 minutes ago getting my haircut.

 

[rolaholic]

I NEVER talk politics or religion at the shop :x

Strictly pop culture,life and sports and it's cool running

So Kasich and Drumpf are skipping the next debate in Utah...figures since it is Utah .

Watch Ted do it on his own like he's fillabustering a bill

 

[rillo561]

Man, I try to keep the conversation to a minimum when I'm getting a cut. Dudes wanna gossip about anything. Just cut my hair, and ****

 

[Armada]

 

Just a quick PSA: Be careful talking politics at the barber shop right now y'all [emoji]128514[/emoji]

Source: convo I just had 10 minutes ago getting my haircut.

I watched the episode of Black-ish about getting a haircut....did your barber get riled up? What that hairline look like? 

 luckily my barber was on my side it was other people in the shop with borderline hotep stuff and saying President Obama doesn't care about black people 

I NEVER talk politics or religion at the shop

Strictly pop culture,life and sports and it's cool running

Man sometimes even pop culture is difficult cause it only takes one mention of hollywood and then someone's gotta say how they feel about "The GAYYYYZZZZ" 

 

 

[dathbgboy]

Yea, I steered clear of religion and politics in the barbershop when I used to get a cut, hell, we all did. But there's always that one guy that doesn't know the unwritten rules and everybody just goes in on him.

If you do talk politics in the shop, don't say anything negative about Obama

And Raph gon have a debate w/ whatever been on his lip the past two debates since Drumpf and Kasich are sitting it out.

 

[Armada]

 Today it was one dude in the shop that wouldn't let us say anything positive about President Obama 

 

[RustyShackleford]

Yeah, the barbershop and grandma's house are Obama Slander Free Zones.

I've witnessed a barber legit tell a dude get out his chair for starting ****.

Another time someone got hit wit "They fired your *** from Wal-Mart because you have your homeboy 5% off, you really think dese white people gonna let ole boy do anything for us"

-Two reason why Obeezy can't do anything for his people: Racist white folk won't let him, or he in Michelle's guts too much.

 

[dathbgboy]

I'd be more cautious of slandering Barry at granny's than at the shop

Hypothetically, if there wasn't a term limit on the POTUS seat, yall think Obeezy would win a third term?

 

[Nawzlew]

Yeah, the barbershop and grandma's house are Obama Slander Free Zones.

I've witnessed a barber legit tell a dude get out his chair for starting ****.

Another time someone got hit wit "They fired your *** from Wal-Mart because you have your homeboy 5% off, you really think dese white people gonna let ole boy do anything for us"

-Two reason why Obeezy can't do anything for his people: Racist white folk won't let him, or he in Michelle's guts too much.

was at a shop once and i swear barber was praying for the strength of god to not destroy dude's fade

 

[Armada]

I think he would easily win again over any of the current candidates.

 

[wavycrocket]

You can find these at almost any Black G-ma's house

 

[District of Columbia]

You can find these at almost any Black G-ma's house

That 44th president joint is literally at every black woman that's 40 and ups cubicle

 

[rolaholic]

I'd be more cautious of slandering Barry at granny's than at the shop

Hypothetically, if there wasn't a term limit on the POTUS seat, yall think Obeezy would win a third term?

Against this field? Without a doubt

 

[wavycrocket]

That 44th president joint is literally at every black woman that's 40 and ups cubicle

That's a fact though . They not having the Obama slander. I ain't eem mad at it.

And my ex used to say they made Jesus "sexy and oiled up" in that Black Jesus portrait

 

[dathbgboy]

That 44th president joint is literally at every black woman that's 40 and ups cubicle

That's a fact though . They not having the Obama slander. I ain't eem mad at it.

And my ex used to say they made Jesus "sexy and oiled up" in that Black Jesus portrait

Sexy Jesus: Greetings, child of my father, you are so precious. Allow me to sacrifice my life for you.

Woman: Yassssss Jesus.

 

[Master Zik]

Black people blindly supporting Hillary absolutely disgusts me.

She was establishing her relationship with the black community back in '08. No surprise she has it in '16. This the same sort of talk when black ppl were blindly supporting Obama.

Ask a black voter why they're voting for her and it can come down to simply that she showed she cared by even hearing them out for over a decade now. Even with her **** ups with things she's said who else that is a candidate has done better?

You call it blindly supporting as if there's someone else that clearly has put in more time.

Obama can't run for a 3rd term.