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A Super Delegates main purpose is to endorse the candidate who stands the best chance at beating the other parties nominee. The fact that all of the Democratic Super Delegates pledged their support for Hillary before the primary started was the biggest mishap. Nobody in the party expected Sanders to gain ground the way he did or beat Clinton in so many states. All national polls show Trump beating Hillary come November. Those same polls show Sanders demolishing Trump. If you want Trump as your next President, keep that Hillary nonsense talk going


Maybe.

Maybe not.

It doesn't matter.


The super delegates aren't going to bogard the nomination from the first women nominee of a major american political party when she is significantly ahead by every conceivable metric.




It's over now and it's been over.
 
So all the Hillary Clinton supporters that witness her win more pledged delegates, and 3 million more in raw vote, are all gonna be cool with the Democratic Party denying Clinton the nomination.

Because with all this ranting and raving some Sander's supporters do, the fact that more Democrats --not the establishment, not the media, not Wall Street, but regular people-- want her to be the nominee.

Denying Hillary the nomination at this point would be the most undemocratic thing that could happen at the convention. Way above lack of media coverage, long lines, and state convention craziness.
A Super Delegates main purpose is to endorse the candidate who stands the best chance at beating the other parties nominee. The fact that all of the Democratic Super Delegates pledged their support for Hillary before the primary started was the biggest mishap. Nobody in the party expected Sanders to gain ground the way he did or beat Clinton in so many states. All national polls show Trump beating Hillary come November. Those same polls show Sanders demolishing Trump. If you want Trump as your next President, keep that Hillary nonsense talk going.

Superdelegates can change their votes at anytime.

The problem is, Hillary Clinton had won more pledged delegates, primaries and popular vote.

You can make the argument that Bernie is polling better against Trump, but the fact still remains that nominating Bernie would be undemocratic.

And accepting the nomination on Sanders part would make him a massive hypocrite.
 
Your anecdotal evidence account is way overdrawn, Red's isn't. So we froze your account

NT bout to take you to collections because you owe us so many logical arguments and common sense

You're gotta pay what[/B] you owe, b

aka alot of excrement talk.

there's already polls that major sections Democratic voters & independents aint ******* w/ Hillary when she becomes da nominee.

her unpopular ratings is da highest in Democratic history, and second only to trump in general history... Trump talk BLUNT as **** so da fact that she's damn near tied with him on that shows her ineptitude as a candidate.
 
for real :lol

ain't nothing official yet!! Talk your **** after the polls close and votes are counted

It was OVER when Bernie Sanders decided to run.....everything between now and then was just a formality. Must be a difficult night for you champ as you didn't think this day would come. I sure as hell did......I was just waiting on YOU and the rest of the Bernie brigade to catch up...."Oh Happy Day......Oh Happy Day!!"

problem is da superdelegates decided this race...all them Bernie supporters staying home November.

I voted for Bernie and I'll be voting for whoever the Democratic nominee is in November. So there goes that theory...

so everyone other than I can use anecdotal evidence, cool. :lol
Nah, I know 20,000 Bernie bros who told me they voting for Trillary come Nov.
 
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Superdelegates can change their votes at anytime.

The problem is, Hillary Clinton had won more pledged delegates, primaries and popular vote.

You can make the argument that Bernie is polling better against Trump, but the fact still remains that nominating Bernie would be undemocratic.

And accepting the nomination on Sanders part would make him a massive hypocrite.
Just be prepared for Trump to beat Hillary. The vast majority of Sanders supporters will not vote for Clinton. There is so much disdain for her tactics during the primary there are actual Sanders supporters who plan on voting for Trump to ensure she's not the next President.
 
Polls for today? Yeah possibly with Bernie still on the hunt .

But I guarantee you once Obama tells the rest of us Democrats to get in line with this woman, and after Bernie endorses Clinton on July 25.... it's a wrap for Trump!

We will see tonight after the polls. If Bernie can pull an upset in CA, than there some momentum going to the DNC but if he loses big than yeah it's time for Obama to speak his mind about this and start campaigning.

Bernie,

Obama,

Clinton machine,

Moderate Republicans,

and the Democrats,

vs

Tea Party & Trump?

:lol
 
Superdelegates can change their votes at anytime.

The problem is, Hillary Clinton had won more pledged delegates, primaries and popular vote.

You can make the argument that Bernie is polling better against Trump, but the fact still remains that nominating Bernie would be undemocratic.

And accepting the nomination on Sanders part would make him a massive hypocrite.
Just be prepared for Trump to beat Hillary. The vast majority of Sanders supporters will not vote for Clinton. There is so much disdain for her tactics during the primary there are actual Sanders supporters who plan on voting for Trump to ensure she's not the next President.

If there are Sanders supporters ready to not vote or vote Trump as a way of getting revenge then that is unfortunate.

For people that are ready and willing to allow a bigot--or even worst, endorse white supremacy as a progressive--like Trump to again that much power over the lives of minorities just to say "I told you so" seems ridiculous childish.

To those people I have one thing to say "it your choice and your vote...but ******* get over yourself, and you really have not really been paying attention to Bernie's message".

I have no patience left for these type of Sanders supporters, this talking point is bordering on a stupid threat right now. Stay home, and feel as proud in your decision as Ralph Nader supporters did in 2000. It is America, that is your choice.
 
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If Trump wins it is what it is. It'll be a rude awakening. Either way if he wins I don't expect him to last a full term.
I'd laugh at a huge bigot making it to POTUS but I fully expect this buffoon to cause havoc in foreign relations. The mood around here has gone more from laughing at Trump to real worries about the real possibility of this man being the head of the most powerful nation.
 
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If Trump were to win the election; I think the House & Senate would make it downright impossible for him to do anything. It's looking like one thing Trump's nomination has guaranteed is there are a lot of seats that are going to change hands. I won't be surprised if we have a Democratic controlled House & Senate come January.
 
If Trump were to win the election; I think the House & Senate would make it downright impossible for him to do anything. It's looking like one thing Trump's nomination has guaranteed is there are a lot of seats that are going to change hands. I won't be surprised if we have a Democratic controlled House & Senate come January.

Senate maybe, House no. And if turnout is low because disgruntled Sanders supporters stay home, Dems get nothing.

Low turnout always equals the GOP flourishing.

Trump as President means the Supreme Court is gone for another generation.

So there will be consequences.

People planning to stay home need to face that fact
 
Senate maybe, House no. And if turnout is low because disgruntled Sanders supporters stay home, Dems get nothing.

Low turnout always equals the GOP flourishing.

Trump as President means the Supreme Court is gone for another generation.

So there will be consequences.

People planning to stay home need to face that fact


I tell my hardcore, Bernie supporting friends that you have to go and vote in November, straight Democrat, all the way own the ballot and come back for new primary fights in 2018, 2020 and beyond. Movement conservatives, grumble but they show up every November and vote straight "R," even if that "R," is a "RINO." Partisan general election voting is a given among those people and they ultimately get their way more often then not.

I imagine, sometimes, how much better this country would be if conservatives, were as flaky and temperamental as liberals, especially in midterm elections.

If conservatives stayed home in 1994, we might have Universal Healthcare. If hard right Americans decided that they'd rather stay in during the 2002 midterms, the Iraq war might not have happened. I wish that in 2010 and 2014, affluent retirees decided that "Democrats, Republicans, they're all the same" and skipped the midterms. If that had happened, we would be talking about the size of the next jobs bill and not haggling over how much austerity we want to inflict on ourselves.

Liberals need to fall in line in November and give the Democratic Party hell during the primary season. Rinse and repeat forever, just like our conservative rivals do.
 
Just be prepared for Trump to beat Hillary. The vast majority of Sanders supporters will not vote for Clinton. There is so much disdain for her tactics during the primary there are actual Sanders supporters who plan on voting for Trump to ensure she's not the next President.


Clinton voters said the same thing about Obama in 08.


Bernie's supporters "doth protest too much" to be believed.
 
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Senate maybe, House no. And if turnout is low because disgruntled Sanders supporters stay home, Dems get nothing.

Low turnout always equals the GOP flourishing.

Trump as President means the Supreme Court is gone for another generation.

So there will be consequences.

People planning to stay home need to face that fact
You really seem to have issue with Sanders supporters not supporting your party. Be aware that people who are voting for Sanders don't necessarily identify as Democrat. They don't need to fall in line with her party if their candidate doesn't win the nomination. Unlike past primaries, the candidate who finishes runner up really isn't part of the party. You really don't comprehend Sanders message and his following if you believe that they should support Clinton.

I believe Sanders supporters will vote come November, there are too many candidates on the card not to. I just think they'll either write in their Presidential choice or vote Green. The supporters who vote Clinton or Trump will be small though from his camp.
 
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Obama was winning in 2008 with or without Clinton's supporters, you're delusional if you think different.


Maybe. Maybe not.


It doesn't matter because no one thought that at the time.

Clinton had an even stronger case for the nomination given that Obama was winning in low turnout caucus states. You could have argued by certain metrics that Hilary was ahead in popular vote.


You really seem to have issue with Sanders supporters not supporting your party. Be aware that people who are voting for Sanders don't necessarily identify as Democrat. They don't need to fall in line with her party if their candidate doesn't win the nomination. Unlike past primaries, the candidate who finishes runner up really isn't part of the party. You really don't comprehend Sanders message and his following if you believe that they should support Clinton.

I'm not from america so I don't care about the party, and Sanders supporters need to understand that these threat wont make the super delegates steal the nomination from Hilary. It's just not practical.

Democrats aren't going to belive that the Sanders supporters are so petulant that they will elect Trump.



Sanders has changed the Democratic party forever, it's clear that the future of the party is his ideology but unfortunately he won't be the nominee.
 
Sanders has changed the Democratic party forever, it's clear that the future of the party is his ideology but unfortunately he won't be the nominee.
I think Sanders has given us the groundwork for a serious 3rd party that will be able to challenge both Republicans & Democrats. This country needs a 3rd party badly. This two party system is broken.
 
I think Sanders has given us the groundwork for a serious 3rd party that will be able to challenge both Republicans & Democrats. This country needs a 3rd party badly. This two party system is broken.

no that's a model for a third party spoiler party guaranteeing the republicans the presidency. :lol


Clinton and Sanders aren't far apart enough ideologically to necessitate a third party.




Sanders is the parties future, that much is clear, if he wasn't 74 he'd be the nominee next time.

but he is 74 so someone else parroting his ideology will be the nominee.


Sanders supporters are young, they need to relax, you can wait. :lol



also it's nobodies fault but sanders that he couldn't connect with minority voters.

He took a clean L. Now it's time to move on.
 
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Voted today in CA.

Shady thing happened.....
When I went to vote today.... I wasn't registered there. I had to vote via Absentee ballot.
 
If there are actually ppl who claim to be Bernie supporters that will vote for Donald to keep Clinton from becoming potus then they really never believed in Bernie's movement to begin with. Just bandwagoners.
 
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Trump has lied too much and alienated too many people with his BS. I believe Trump supporters have to be a,very vocal, very small minority. I still have faith in humanity.
 
Senate maybe, House no. And if turnout is low because disgruntled Sanders supporters stay home, Dems get nothing.

Low turnout always equals the GOP flourishing.

Trump as President means the Supreme Court is gone for another generation.

So there will be consequences.

People planning to stay home need to face that fact
You really seem to have issue with Sanders supporters not supporting your party. Be aware that people who are voting for Sanders don't necessarily identify as Democrat. They don't need to fall in line with her party if their candidate doesn't win the nomination. Unlike past primaries, the candidate who finishes runner up really isn't part of the party. You really don't comprehend Sanders message and his following if you believe that they should support Clinton.

I believe Sanders supporters will vote come November, there are too many candidates on the card not to. I just think they'll either write in their Presidential choice or vote Green. The supporters who vote Clinton or Trump will be small though from his camp.

Most Sanders supporters will vote Hillary. She will have Obama and Lizzy Warren campaigning for her. Hillary will win the progressive vote my a large margin.

I voted for Bernie, and gave him hundreds of dollars of my own money. I would happily do it again. I will also happily vote for Hillary this fall.

All this establishment, purity test ******** should not be the take away from Bernie run. It should be moving towards social democracy, and being politically involved at all levels, all the time.

So in that case, me as a progressive doesn't see Hillary Clinton and other democrats as my enemies. I see them as my natural allies.

-All the whining, complaining and petulance I see from some hardcore Sanders is understandable but it doesn't make it excusable. There are consequence to voting for a hopeless third party candidate, consequences for not showing up, and consequences for convincing yourself that the only reason that you're no getting your way is because imaginary forces. Like Rex said, if liberals showed up in midterms, Bernie's vision for America would seem much more digestible to be because Bill Clinton, and especially Barrack Obama would have put us on the path to social democracy.

And other differences moderate, neoliberals, liberals, and progressive have can be handled during primary time.

And progress is much easier to make when one liberal president can build on the previous one. A true progressive will be president some day, and the country would be so much better will that person was coming into extend the work of the liberal before him, as opposed to cleaning up Trump's mess.

I know there is no revolution around the corner, that progress is a long hard road, but I know that it will at least crawl forward with Hillary, as opposed to walking backward with Trump.

There is a time and place to be a dreamer, but a bigoted piece of **** is one election away from being President, so the dreams must wait, so that the goals of the progressive movement can be defended.

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And the one thing you gotta accept about being a democrat is that you're part of a wide coalition. People vote democrat for a wide range of reasons. The thing that makes you love a candidate will piss off another member of your party. But we must stick together if want to push back against conservatives, their austerity loving platform, and drag them kicking and screaming into the future.

Strike at them with a fist, because one thing about the conservative movement, is its chin is mighty sturdy. They just keep taking liberal slaps, and keeping pressing forward.

Vote however you want brah, but remember: this primary wasn't stolen from Bernie, there is no quick fix, and not voting in hopes the opposition wins has consequences. You might not feel them directly, but others will
 
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Dubya gonna come I here furious that we're not on Cuomo's side. :lol

It pleases me that the anti israel folk have no real power and then cry about it.

BDS is just another strategy to destroy the country of israel. You are deluding yourself if you think otherwise. War and politics didn't work. Why live in peace and accept an agreement when the international community will just lean on and demonize israel?

It's the non violent way of using hamas tactics. They damage and cause the Palestinians to lose good jobs (sodastream) so they can continue to portray the image of a suffering people. No group has ever used the media and useful idiots in the west like the palestians has. No people have ever caused so many self inflicted wounds for the cause of propoganda and international good will.

Omar Barghouti, a graduate student at Tel Aviv University and BDS founder, admits, “If the occupation ends…would that end support for BDS? No it wouldn’t — no.”

Egypt has a blockade, where are all the leftists crying their crocodile tears? Middle east on fire? Syria has the biggest refugee crisis since WW2? Who cares when we can bag on israel?

I lost alot if sympathy after arafat and the 2nd intifada and when israel pulled out of gaza and it turned into a rocket launching pad. They have had more than enough chances at peace. Frankly the kurds deserve a country more than they do at this current time.

You realize ranted for 5 paragraphs plus, and never once mentioned Cuomo, and his actions. Which was the topic at hand
do they deserve it as much as Israel did?

Your anecdotal evidence account is way overdrawn, Red's isn't. So we froze your account

NT bout to take you to collections because you owe us so many logical arguments and common sense

You're gotta pay what[/B] you owe, b

aka alot of excrement talk.

there's already polls that major sections Democratic voters & independents aint ******* w/ Hillary when she becomes da nominee.

her unpopular ratings is da highest in Democratic history, and second only to trump in general history... Trump talk BLUNT as **** so da fact that she's damn near tied with him on that shows her ineptitude as a candidate.
I thought you kept telling us the polls don't matter because trump keeps proving them wrong?

I thought you were better than this. blco2 runs and posts the 1 out of 10 polls with trump in the lead but not you, ninja.
 
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