***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[aepps20]

but was the threat of life a quid pro quo doe?

Yes, a life for a life comrade. Only way to acquire da Soul Stone.

 

[Belgium]

Another rambling press conference incoming?

Update:

 

[spiceman80]

Looks like Rudy ready to get his Nebula on and turn on his Zaddy.

DWalk better fetch Zel and get the Allegedly Gauntlet back to Trump. ASAP

Rudy is just as mental as Trump, I guess it makes sense why they're together. Nothing good will come of being a cousin fluccer.

Damn she got a chest in her too
Going through google images

Gerri won't be happy about that comment

Seems like it's only a matter of time now before Trump finds out the identity, if he hasn't already. The more than half a dozen witnesses who gave information to the whistleblower may be at risk of retribution too.

And all for what? What is the point to doing this and putting your career on the line if nothing comes of it

 

[nako xl]

Damn she got a chest in her too
Going through google images

She’s been killing it for a while in a field dominated by men.

 

[rolaholic]

Cheetolini era has been a goldmine for the Onion

 

[spiceman80]

Mrs. PELOSI!

 

[Belgium]

Chairman Burr, standing next to vice-chair Warner, said the IC Inspector General and even Maguire were "extremely forthcoming" in providing additional information beyond the public documents.
Senate Intel will proceed with further investigation in a bipartisan manner.

 

[debso]

Some Democrats Are Still Resistant To The Notion Of Impeaching Trump

Vulnerable Democrats privately met with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to air out their views about the impeachment process, with some still resistant to the notion about impeaching President Trump.

Several members made clear their views to keep the probe focused on the Ukraine matter — and not the other allegations of wrongdoing detailed in the Mueller report.

Rep. Angie Craig, a vulnerable freshman Democrat from Minnesota, said Pelosi and Democratic leaders mostly listened to the views raised by the lawmakers.

“I’m in a district where I’ve been reluctant to move forward only from the perspective where I want to be disciplined, I want to look at due process and want to make sure we get all of our facts — and this process will allow us to do that,” Craig said, adding she backed a narrow probe led by the House Intelligence Committee.

Rep. Matt Cartwright, a Democrat from Pennsylvania, told CNN that he wouldn’t — at this point — vote for articles of impeachment.

"I would vote 'no' right now because we haven't seen all the facts,” Cartwright said. “We have to presume that people are innocent don't we, and we have to see if what the press has been reporting, and what has been revealed in terms of documentation, if all that is true.”
Rep. Anthony Brindisi, a freshman from New York, who has resisted calls for an impeachment probe, told CNN that he’s “not yet” there on impeaching Trump.

“I think that while I find many of the statements in the whistleblower’s report disturbing there’s a lot more information that’s out there,” Brindisi said. “I think we have to talk to some of these officials that they have listed in the report here and see where it goes.”

source: https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/whistleblower-complaint-impeachment-inquiry/index.html

and all of the above democrats should be voted out. anybody that puts their own political career before the country should be booted out of congress. period.

 

[Belgium]

Keeping the impeachment focused simply on the Ukraine matter seems like an awful idea.
You have some clear-cut cases in the Mueller report, the Lewandowski/Sessions directive for example, where Mueller found "substantial evidence" for each 3 elements of obstruction of justice.
Unlike some of the other acts such as the Comey firing, the report's analysis on the Lewandowski directive did not lay out any exculpatory evidence regarding the president's intent.

Republicans will vote to acquit either way so why pull punches?

 

[IATT]

Keeping the impeachment focused simply on the Ukraine matter seems like an awful idea.
You have some clear-cut cases in the Mueller report, the Lewandowski/Sessions directive for example, where Mueller found "substantial evidence" for each 3 elements of obstruction of justice.
Unlike some of the other acts such as the Comey firing, the report's analysis on the Lewandowski directive did not lay out any exculpatory evidence regarding the president's intent.

Republicans will vote to acquit either way so why pull punches?

Exactly.. and why he in a rush to do anything.. bring everything out and make all these folks have to deal with things in the open and make it a shh show that the republicans asked for

 

[dwalk31]

Republicans will vote to acquit either way so why pull punches?

The loss of vulnerable seats. The potential loss of the election due to firing up Trump’s base.

The safest/smartest route politically for the Dems is probably to let the voters decide in 2020.

 

[IATT]

The potential loss of the election due to firing up Trump’s base.

Not enough to win an election

Hilarious how much credit the greedy and the idiots of America get

 

[debso]

The loss of vulnerable seats. The potential loss of the election due to firing up Trump’s base.

The safest/smartest route politically for the Dems is probably to let the voters decide in 2020.

the dems lose its because of voter suppression/gerrymandering. period.
the cat's out of the bag. bad boys move in silence, take it from your highness.
GOP got too comfortable and here we are.

the stupidest thing the dems could do is let voters decide given Russian interference and voter suppression.
also given the fact that we have a fascist dictator who won't concede power why take that risk unless its for SELF.

dems def do NOT need to put their party and themselves (meaning their political careers) ahead of the American ppl.

 

[RustyShackleford]

dwalk31 is full of bull **** again.

He is talking about letting the voters decide but do we ever see him condemning the GOP's gerrymandering and voter suppression.

So his argument is that the Dems should ignore this corruption and instead work on winning a landslide election.

 

[dwalk31]

dwalk31 is full of bull **** again.

He is talking about letting the voters decide but do we ever see him condemning the GOP's gerrymandering and voter suppression.

So his argument is that the Dems should ignore this corruption and instead work on winning a landslide election.

If the Dems feel he should be impeached it is their duty to impeach him. I imagine the caution to do so is because of the political implications I mentioned.

 

[dwalk31]

the dems lose its because of voter suppression/gerrymandering. period.
the cat's out of the bag. bad boys move in silence, take it from your highness.
GOP got too comfortable and here we are.

the stupidest thing the dems could do is let voters decide given Russian interference and voter suppression.
also given the fact that we have a fascist dictator who won't concede power why take that risk unless its for SELF.

dems def do NOT need to put their party and themselves (meaning their political careers) ahead of the American ppl.

As someone else mentioned he will likely get acquitted in the Senate. So there will likely not be a removal from office. It is a purely political process and that is why you see the Dems making political calculations.

The voters will “decide” either way.

 

[$tatus $ymbol]

Yesterday the calls for impeachment were mere political theatre. Today Dems should only be concerned with executing the most viable option politically as opposed to protecting the country as they were elected to do.

I’ll say it again, you owe us better than these miserable attempts at trolling. For someone that purportedly cares so much about the integrity of the community, you sure do make it easy for obvious trolls to make a joke of it @Methodical Management

 

[dwalk31]

Yesterday the calls for impeachment were mere political theatre. Today Dems should only be concerned with executing the most viable option politically as opposed to protecting the country as they were elected to do.

I’ll say it again, you owe us better than these miserable attempts at trolling. For someone that purportedly cares so much about the integrity of the community, you sure do make it easy for obvious trolls to make a joke of it @Methodical Management

Belgium asked why should they pull punches. I replied with the reasons why they’d be hesitant. These are political implications based on what will play the best. I’m not arguing what they should do one way or the other. I am stating the potential fallout of a decision and giving my opinion of what will be better for Dems in terms of retaining seats/winning the next election.

It is political theatre either way.

 

[Belgium]

The battle royale begins. Who is throwing who under the bus?

https://www.lawfareblog.com/house-intelligence-committee-releases-whistleblower-complaint
Excerpts regarding Ambassador Kurt Volker:

 

[Belgium]

The loss of vulnerable seats. The potential loss of the election due to firing up Trump’s base.

The safest/smartest route politically for the Dems is probably to let the voters decide in 2020.

With this degree of rampant criminality you can't start an impeachment investigation and then not file articles of impeachment.

 

[dwalk31]

With this degree of rampant criminality you can't start an impeachment investigation and then not file articles of impeachment.

We will see. Many in here felt that articles of impeachment would be filed re: Russian probe. But it did not happen. Time will tell.

 

[IATT]

 

[gry60]

And all for what? What is the point to doing this and putting your career on the line if nothing comes of it

The greatest enemy of corruption is a system that allows whistle blowing complaints to go forward. That is why the first step all dictators take when they get power is getting rid of all dissidents, real and imagined, and put in position of influence people who swear loyalty to them rather than to the institutions.
This is what anti-democratic leaders (even the ones who have been elected) do. Folks should have seen it coming when he started purging Obama/Democrat appointees from federal agencies.
In my country, government officials (ministers, governors, regional administrators) are nominated by presidential decree with no oversight from the National Assembly; the state broadcasting company gets the list of new assignments from the presidential palace and reads it after the 12 pm news or before the 6 pm news. There is little regard when it comes to their ability to do the job (plenty of lateral moves, like the minister of Agriculture being reassigned to the ministry of Economy for example despite having zero experience in either field). All that matters is their support for the president.
The result is high turnover, government officials who can't do anything without the president's explicit approval (essentially making them pawns of the leadership instead of servants of the people), a willingness to embezzle public monies (they're untouchable as long as they stay in the good graces of the president), and a general ignorance of the laws in favor of mobster behavior.

I imagine dwalk31 would be in heaven in such an environment considering his unwavering support for the same lawlessness and cult of personality Trump is trying to normalize in America.

 

[Belgium]

Must've been too busy licking grand emperor Trump's boots.

 

[IATT]

dwalk31