***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[noskey]

Look man people don’t want hand outs
They wanna lift themselves up by the bootstraps

Amen. Tips disincentive people from working hard and making an honest living. Today it's a 18% tip, tomorrow it's free health care! When will the socialism stop?!

 

[rexanglorum]

Again, that was NOT what happened, and I don't know if you want to go through what was actually said by you. If you want to be disingenuous to throw one last Bernie pity party, then have at it.

As always, it’s socialism or barbarism. But you and others did open my eyes to the fact that many Biden voters, especially older black voters, want some form of socialism but feel that structural biases in favor of the GOP forces them to nominate lesser barbarism to avoid the greater barbarism.

 

[storm2006]

Damn, Delk doing political consulting for the Trump campaign now

Get dem checks baby gurl, the world is yours

Did you see how the video had audio clips that went from 2020...to 2019...to 1973? We literally called out Delk for almost same **** three and a half weeks ago (see below). The GOP Playbook is nothing if not consistent and predictable famb

As it stands, there are two candidates with a history of saying racist things, right?

It seems that the majority in here are okay with voting for Biden despite this.

I am also interested to see how this Kanye candidacy develops. I think it has the potential to really shift the election.

Lets see... your example of Biden’s racist remark was 27 years ago. @wavycrocket posted evidence of Trump saying something racist just yesterday.

But “history”, right?

 

[IATT]

 

[rexanglorum]

Trump is down so far in the polls it likely won’t matter but it’s smart politics to target the portion of a party’s coalition which is idelogically aligned or ideologically more committed than the party but that portion of the coalition is so alienated it can be persuaded to vote third party or not vote at all.

Democrats should run similar ads. Through super PACs run ads saying that Trump is a globalist and a c*ck and that he is deliberately not trying to prevent a white genocide.

You want to persuade undecided voters, you want to mobilize voters whose demographics suggest they’ll vote for your party if they do vote. The third part of that strategy is demobilizing your opponent’s demographic and ideological base.

 

[Upptempo]

Ted Cruz doesn't care what Trump said about his Pops because Trump is his new daddy

 

[IATT]

Ted Cruz doesn't care what Trump said about his Pops because Trump is his new daddy

 

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[dacomeup]

As always, it’s socialism or barbarism. But you and others did open my eyes to the fact that many Biden voters, especially older black voters, want some form of socialism but feel that structural biases in favor of the GOP forces them to nominate lesser barbarism to avoid the greater barbarism.

Ah, back to pitching Black voters as supporters of barbarism and the Left as the only way to save them. That is one hell of a white savior trope that would play great in Hollywood.

 

[IATT]

 

[rexanglorum]

Ah, back to pitching Black voters as supporters of barbarism and the Left as the only way to save them. That is one hell of a white savior trope that would play great in Hollywood.

The left is made up, in part, of black people. The left isn’t a white savior. Black people are the most working class of the working class. Black people are exploited at the work place AND are more likely to be enslaved by the state, be exploited by real estate capital, and be deprived of life and/or liberty by the police. so if capitalism and its associated barbarism is defeated, it will be an act of black workers, in conjunction with other workers, liberating themselves.

A Sanders Presidency could have hastened that project a bit although whether or not he became President, there’s still plenty of work for me and my comrades to do. If you become an anti capitalist, you’re saving yourself from the barbarism of capitalism during climate crisis and you’d be saving those around you and you’d be saving me and those around me. We’re all in this struggle together.

 

[dacomeup]

The left isn’t a white savior.

You, a white man, lecturing me and other Black men in this thread on how Black voters who did not vote for Bernie are supporters of barbarism is pushing a white savior trope.

Again, I think that you’re rants in here are a microcosm of white leftists struggle with daily in terms of coalition building with Black voters — which is talking to Black people as if you know what’s better for them than they do themselves. Your takeaway from the previous discussion was that Black people voted for Biden to guarantee “lesser barbarism”, instead of reflecting the shortcomings of the Sanders’ campaign that led to him not building a winning coalition. That’s quite the way to build a coalition.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

He has dementia, he clearly has dementia........I'm no doctor.......He clearly has dementia

Joe Rogan is a ****ing jackass

I honestly don't understand how people still hold this guy in such high esteem in this era. I get it, he was edgy and said a lot of stuff that we only thought to ourselves and pushed the envelope back in the day... but he's been washed for a long time now. Both in MMA and in general

 

[rexanglorum]

You, a white man, lecturing me and other Black men in this thread on how Black voters who did not vote for Bernie are supporters of barbarism is pushing a white savior trope.

Again, I think that you’re rants in here are a microcosm of white leftists struggle with daily in terms of coalition building with Black voters — which is talking to Black people as if you know what’s better for them than they do themselves. Your takeaway from the previous discussion was that Black people voted for Biden to guarantee “lesser barbarism”, instead of reflecting the shortcomings of the Sanders’ campaign that led to him not building a winning coalition. That’s quite the way to build a coalition.

You’re positing it as left=white and liberal/non left=black. There are many black leftists and there are (way too) many whites who are violently opposed to leftism. Black thinkers played a huge role in radicalizing me so it’s not like I’m imposing an ideology on black people.

Right now, everything the US’ bourgeois electoral system offers us is degrees of barbarism and that includes Bernie, quite frankly. Sanders presented the least barbarism of the major candidates and more importantly, he looked like he could foment class consciousness, solidarity and revolutionary thinking so that we can have a new system and one that doesn’t make us negotiate different degrees of barbarism.

The people who voted for Biden did what they felt they had to do to stop the most barbarous politician in the game.

If we don’t have socialism and have it soon, it won’t matter who we voted for in 2020. climate catastrophe and capitalism combined is something every community has a stake in defeating and I hope so can count you as a comrade in the coming years. You’d help our cause more than I can.

Peace,

 

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[ICE CITY CF]

Kamala Harris literrally offers nothing,

I can't even begin to imagine what potential benefit she would provide.



literally all downside.

Kamala Harris is democrat Mitt Romney.



Let's hope Kamala leaned her lesson.

just be a cop, stop tryna pretend.

You know, maybe I just need to accept Joe Biden knows more about this than me.

As I talk to older non political junkies they a seem happy with Kamala.

She might have little upside, but maybe she is the safest choice. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It's possible that Kamala is bad at stuff that political Julie's like me hate but normal people won't care about fr the VP.

Honestly man, I don't know how anyone is supposed to have read your posts today, and not come to the conclusion that you simply don't know very much about Kamala Harris.

She's been in the spotlight extensively since she arrived in Washington, even before the became a presidential nominee. The numerous times I've listened to her speak or watched her deliver questioning on a range of issues, it's been so obvious to me that she's incredibly intelligent, that she has as concrete an understanding on most domestic issues that plague this country as anyone, and that she has the knowledge and the experience to communicate the practical policy changes needed to enact the type of progressive legislation required to achieve our desired objectives.

Obviously that's only my subjective opinion of her competency. We could also cynically view everything she's ever said publicly in the past few years as a lie. We could do that with any congressional politician and be left with only their voting record in either the house or senate...

I don't know if you missed it, but her voting record was compared against the voting record of Bernie and Warren (my pick for nominee) a couple of times today. Harris' voting record is on point, beating Sander's and the equivalent of Warren's.

Now I can understand being hostile towards Harris' history as a district attorney and state attorney general just off GP. But a lot of people's criticisms about that time period lack nuance and are often misguided. People opportunistically view her past work and her net contribution (negative) to criminal justice reform through a 2020 lenses.

But I gotta reject anyone measuring her with a different yardstick. Truth is her work in San Francisco and then Sacramento was much more of a mixed bag than her detractors know or worse, are willing to be honest about. In retrospect her biggest issues were repeatedly being too reticent on police accountability and not outright disrupting the status quo.

But at the end of the day, I don't really care what yardstick we're using to measure her career work from earlier in the century. I can't understand how someone can objectively look at the last few years, where we're at right now, and not see the intrinsic worth Kamala Harris brings to any Democratic administration.

My questions for you are how does Kamala Harris offer nothing to the ticket, and hopefully the eventual administration? How is she a version of Mitt Romney? Why does she have limited upside?

 

[fluid hips]

This sarcasm/joke post?

No

 

[had pants]

 

[had pants]

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Honestly man, I don't know how anyone is supposed to have read your posts today, and not come to the conclusion that you simply don't know very much about Kamala Harris.

She's been in the spotlight extensively since she arrived in Washington, even before the became a presidential nominee. The numerous times I've listened to her speak or watched her deliver questioning on a range of issues, it's been so obvious to me that she's incredibly intelligent, that she has as concrete an understanding on most domestic issues that plague this country as anyone, and that she has the knowledge and the experience to communicate the practical policy changes needed to enact the type of progressive legislation required to achieve our desired objectives.

Obviously that's only my subjective opinion of her competency. We could also cynically view everything she's ever said publicly in the past few years as a lie. We could do that with any congressional politician and be left with only their voting record in either the house or senate...

I don't know if you missed it, but her voting record was compared against the voting record of Bernie and Warren (my pick for nominee) a couple of times today. Harris' voting record is on point, beating Sander's and the equivalent of Warren's.

Now I can understand being hostile towards Harris' history as a district attorney and state attorney general just off GP. But a lot of people's criticisms about that time period lack nuance and are often misguided. People opportunistically view her past work and her net contribution (negative) to criminal justice reform through a 2020 lenses.

But I gotta reject anyone measuring her with a different yardstick. Truth is her work in San Francisco and then Sacramento was much more of a mixed bag than her detractors know or worse, are willing to be honest about. In retrospect her biggest issues were repeatedly being too reticent on police accountability and not outright disrupting the status quo.

But at the end of the day, I don't really care what yardstick we're using to measure her career work from earlier in the century. I can't understand how someone can objectively look at the last few years, where we're at right now, and not see the intrinsic worth Kamala Harris brings to any Democratic administration.

My questions for you are how does Kamala Harris offer nothing to the ticket, and hopefully the eventual administration? How is she a version of Mitt Romney? Why does she have limited upside?

She ran a terrible campaign despite having significant advantages on paper.

Showed poor political judgement with the Medicare for all flip flop.

Was pretty poor in the debates mostly despite her big Joe Biden attack which she couldn't capitalize on because they have the exact same position on school bussing.

She's not particularly popular in the constituency Joe Biden is actually weak with; Young black people.

And she doesn't appear to have any sincere policy beliefs besides "Kamal Harris should be president."

I call her Mitt Romney because Mitt Romney always looked good on paper but often came of as insincere to the conservative base. Kamala same thing to progressives.



Now maybe I'm wrong and all that doesn't matter. It's totally possible that her lack of upside means she's the least offensive choice to largest amount of democratic party voters.

I'm willing to accept that Im wrong.



I dislike Kamala because her bad campaign offends me as someone who like to see good political tactics and the fact that Joe Biden has selected the next democratic party presidential nominee sooo I would prefer someone better at politics, with a sharper understanding of the problems facing American government...

But I'm willing to admit that normal people don't care about that stuff.

 

[RIP sleazyy]

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[dacomeup]

You’re positing it as left=white and liberal/non left=black. There are many black leftists and there are (way too) many whites who are violently opposed to leftism. Black thinkers played a huge role in radicalizing me so it’s not like I’m imposing an ideology on black people.

I'm specifically talking about you, and speaking even more broadly to white leftists. I'm keenly aware that there are Black leftists. You chose not to engage in my critique, and pivoted to the equivalent of "I have Black friends too", instead of responding to a valid critique of things that arose during the Sanders' campaign.

 

[dwalk31]

1. I thought a black woman was the only real choice Biden could make for VP. Anything else would have been a smack in the face.

2. I am a bit shocked by the reaction to Harris.

 

[Mark Antony]

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Common sense stuff really.