***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[wavycrocket]

I was a child in the 90's.
To politicians and the police I was a super predator.

Good video. Somehow, Nixon, Reagan, BILL BARR & Bush 1, escape being the conduits to the 80s/90s crack epidemic, violence and mass incarceration.

Bill Barr literally pardoned those responsible for the crack epidemic. And at the same time....Trump was and still calling for mass incarceration

 

[MVP]

I was a child in the 90's.
To politicians and the police I was a super predator.

I'm sure you're well aware Bernie Sanders voted for the crime bill as well, correct?

 

[Based Jesus]

Oh ok, everything makes sense now.

I like Bernie but damn did he ruin the political discourse on the left

 

[deuce king]

The people really wanted Bernie. Across racial and age groups.

LOL. I sure hope you are not factoring the black community into that equation for the racial group you speak of for Bernie champ. WE said not just no........but HELL NO.

As a matter of fact it felt dam good to see all of US get on code and collectively give Bernie Sanders the middle finger in South Carolina particularly during the last day of black history month this year. Truth be told a smile is coming to my face right now as I type this just thinking about it. Knowing that the Bernie Bro’s, Bernie Colonizers, or whatever the hell you dudes are calling yourself these days has me going from a smile to a laugh as I’m glad you dudes are still upset and pissed off that Bernie Sanders lost.

Bernie Sanders had his chance not just once, but twice and failed miserably. He didn't expand his overrated online coalition of overzealous young white males and he didn’t reach out to any real black people. All of which created a recipe of disaster......rather a recipe of success (success meaning the end of Bernie’s campaign) as far as I see it. You Bernie Colonizers have no one to blame but yourselves for putting too much faith in a guy that didn’t stand a chance from the get go.

One more time for everybody in the room to see and hear........Only Bernie WE acknowledge is MAC!!

 

[wr]

I'm sure you're well aware Bernie Sanders voted for the crime bill as well, correct?

Like I stated earlier, both parties are the same.
Biden and Kamala are not the best choices from the Dems.
They could've picked better.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Not to defend Biden, but folk gotta reckon with the fact most of the country was tough on crime during that error. Hell even Sanders voted for the damn bill.

Biden was utter trash, but he was not even the worse political actor during that time.

Also, tough on crime policies unfortunately had support in the black community.

Biden deserves shade for his in past, but 2020 Joe Biden is not 1990 Joe Biden. Look at where he stands now in relation to Trump. Today he is on the right side of the argument, and Trump isn't.

 

[wr]

LOL. I sure hope you are not factoring the black community into that equation for the racial group you speak of for Bernie champ. WE said not just no........but HELL NO.

As a matter of fact it felt dam good to see all of US get on code and collectively give Bernie Sanders the middle finger in South Carolina particularly during the last day of black history month this year. Truth be told a smile is coming to my face right now as I type this just thinking about it. Knowing that the Bernie Bro’s, Bernie Colonizers, or whatever the hell you dudes are calling yourself these days has me going from a smile to a laugh as I’m glad you dudes are still upset and pissed off that Bernie Sanders lost.

Bernie Sanders had his chance not just once, but twice and failed miserably. He didn't expand his overrated online coalition of overzealous young white males and he didn’t reach out to any real black people. All of which created a recipe of disaster......rather a recipe of success (success meaning the end of Bernie’s campaign) as far as I see it. You Bernie Colonizers have no one to blame but yourselves for putting too much faith in a guy that didn’t stand a chance from the get go.

One more time for everybody in the room to see and hear........Only Bernie WE acknowledge is MAC!!

All facts bro.
Bernie slipped up on simple things. His loyalty to the party is his downfall.

 

[MVP]

Like I stated earlier, both parties are the same.
Biden and Kamala are not the best choices from the Dems.
They could've picked better.

Sure they could have if there were better and more viable national candidates. Warren was the best the party had but she wasn't viable nationally. Bernie couldn't even get his supposed most enthusiastic part of his coalition (young people) to come out and vote for him as well as ignoring black people again. You can't put people out there that literally have no chance of winning. Trumpito has got to go. And however much many of us in here don't like it, Joe is the best vessel the Dems got at the moment.

He is the only candidate that will continue to try and advance progressive initiatives as well as hopefully try and restore the office to just some common decency.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Like I stated earlier, both parties are the same.
Biden and Kamala are not the best choices from the Dems.
They could've picked better.

Bernie was not a member of the Democratic Party when he cast that vote. He was not even caucusing with them yet.

So it seems you want to condemn Biden and Harris for behavior Sanders also indulged in. Yet you advocate for Sanders being the nominee.

The voters decided the primary, most wanted Biden. People have to accept that.

 

[superblytrife]

****** been watching Trump set up a fascist state in real time and we still talking about dems pandering. What the **** is the relevance right now? I got a child to raise on this earth.

If you’re actively trying to turn votes away, you are Kanye West. You are Candace Owens. You are the political Terry Crews.

You’re jeopardizing my kids future. It’s not only disappointing, it’s angering. The fact that children seem to understand this and adults do not is mind blowing to me.

PREACH. It's so much bigger than "vOtInG mY cOnScIeNce". FOH with that. Think bigger than you and your immediate situation. If you can vote for Trump, vote third party or write in someone, your conscience is TRASH. PERIOD.

 

[wr]

Not to defend Biden, but folk gotta reckon with the fact most of the country was tough on crime during that error. Hell even Sanders voted for the damn bill.

Biden was utter trash, but he was not even the worse political actor during that time.

Also, tough on crime policies unfortunately had support in the black community.

Biden deserves shade for his in past, but 2020 Joe Biden is not 1990 Joe Biden. Look at where he stands now in relation to Trump. Today he is on the right side of the argument, and Trump isn't.

People so nostalgic about the 90's forget how wild the times were.
Same government funneling drugs and guns into the streets to fund illegal coups in other countries locking people up and being tough on crime. It's not fair that they play both hands againsts us.
Killed two birds with one stone.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Bernie had his nuts swinging talking about he gonna take over the Democratic party, the establishment can't stop him, and didn't want to put in the work behind the scenes to work for important endorsements.

His problem is not that is was too cozy with the establishment, his problem is that he treated his political allies as his enemies, so they said cool, let us see who is more powerful, the party or Bernie's movement.

And we all know how that played out.

Bernie tried to act like a conqueror, but before landed on the beach, he yelled to all the ununified Kingdoms "you can't stop me" and the Kingdoms looked at each other like "I don't think he can take us over if we join together".

They had that man Bernie looking like Stannis Baratheon. Listening to the Lord of Twitter had him all ****ed up.

 

[wr]

Bernie was not a member of the Democratic Party when he cast that vote. He was not even caucusing with them yet.

So it seems you want to condemn Biden and Harris for behavior Sanders also indulged in. Yet you advocate for Sanders being the nominee.

The voters decided the primary, most wanted Biden. People have to accept that.

Im saying that Sanders was a better pick than Biden. Not saying either one of these guys is a saint or altruistic.

Just a better candidate for the dems. They wanna appear to be progressive.

Honestly Trump is not even a republican. He's using everyone. His E.O's are extremely libertarian.

Trump got the Dems looking like conservatives.

Not a Trump supporter either.

Just being objective.

 

[RustyShackleford]

People so nostalgic about the 90's forget how wild the times were.
Same government funneling drugs and guns into the streets to fund illegal coups in other countries locking people up and being tough on crime. It's not fair that they play both hands againsts us.
Killed two birds with one stone.

My g, you kinda all over the place right now.

Let me tell you. No one in here likes Biden. No one wanted him to be the nominee. But nearly everyone has made peace with the fact he won, and realizes that for better or worse, his interest now aligned with ours.

So your attempts to expose Biden as this or that won't work. Folk know, they just see the bigger picture.

 

[dacomeup]

Bernie slipped up on simple things.

Connecting with and convincing Black voters is seemingly not a simple thing. He failed TWICE.

 

[wr]

My g, you kinda all over the place right now.

Let me tell you. No one in here likes Biden. No one wanted him to be the nominee. But nearly everyone has made peace with the fact he won, and realizes that for better or worse, his interest now aligned with ours.

So your attempts to expose Biden as this or that won't work. Folk know, they just see the bigger picture.

The energy around this campaing is like I'm in a stick up for my vote.
"Vote Biden or we all perish"
I get the lesser of two evils things.
Doesn't mean i like it.

 

[dacomeup]

Trump got the Dems looking like conservatives.

Not a Trump supporter either.

Just being objective.

What's objective about that? The party is literally further left than it has EVER been.

 

[WASHED KING]

I don’t like Biden..and I don’t like Harris...but I hate Trump. Not really a debate in my eyes.

Just sucks for 2 straight presidential elections I’m voting for a candidate not because I support them but because I hate the other guy.

 

[wr]

The fuq? His entire campaign was anti-democratic establishment AND he is an independent

But you see how quickly he stepped back in line with the Democratic party?
Only 2 doors to the white house. Red or Blue.
We see these independents morph into which ever side of our two party system is closer to their platform to get in.
There are only 2 parties which is really the same party based on action.

 

[RIP sleazyy]

Like I stated earlier, both parties are the same.
Biden and Kamala are not the best choices from the Dems.
They could've picked better.

when you say same to you mean majority white and capitalist? I can agree with that.

You literally just need eyes to see the difference in application of ideology.

Every politician to have lived has pandered and been about self. Can you think of differences between the parties? I can think of a few key ones but would like to see what you come up with.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Im saying that Sanders was a better pick than Biden. Not saying either one of these guys is a saint or altruistic.

Just a better candidate for the dems. They wanna appear to be progressive.

Honestly Trump is not even a republican. He's using everyone. His E.O's are extremely libertarian.

Trump got the Dems looking like conservatives.

Not a Trump supporter either.

Just being objective.

-Observable reality disagrees with the point Bernie is a better candidate than Biden. You like him more, sure, but famb got washed twice.

-The Dems are a massive coalition ranging from socialist to moderate. They Democratic Party been moving left for a while now, before Bernie, they are not trying to appear progressive, they are becoming more progressive. The problem is that what the median Democratic thinks doesn't matter, it is the marginal Dem that holds most of the political power.

-Trump is a Republican, if he wasn't he won't enjoy such popularity and loyalty from Republicans. Republican been engaging in libertarian economics (when it convenient for them) for like 40 years now. Dude has been doing their bidding as well as any other Republican would have.

-Trump is not making the Dems look like conservatives. Are you saying Trump is left of the Dems? Because that makes no sense. The Democratic Party is a standard left wing Party when compared to other advanced economies.

-I don't think you are being objective famb. I think you are mad are the Dems so you are throwing out stuff about them.

 

[MVP]

The energy around this campaing is like I'm in a stick up for my vote.
"Vote Biden or we all perish"
I get the lesser of two evils things.
Doesn't mean i like it.

Why did you bring up the crime bill video like some trump card, when Bernie voted for it as well?

He CLEARLY wasn't a better candidate politically. His whole message was based on a revolution that his own soldiers apparently weren't even enthusiastic about enough to go do the bare minimum and enlist for.

The Dems didn't ask Bernie to use their platform, he could've run as an independent, but he knew what the apparatus could potentially do for him. Which is why he chose to play the game of thrones, but didn't do enough research apparently.

 

[Armada]

The Democratic Party not being ideal doesn’t mean it’s the same as the Republican Party. I think we really water down just how got damn evil the current Republican Party is when we act like the Democratic Party while not ideal is anywhere near as bad as the Republican Party

 

[HIM]

This is a perfect illustration of the obstacle we face. I foolishly thought people had learned their lesson 4 years ago.

 

[MVP]

The fundamental philosophy of the parties couldn't be more divergent from each other. This goofiness of both being the same has to stop.