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Incorrect.
To this point, I do not feel like I have enough information to unequivocally declare him or Biden a racist. But I can certainly understand the valid arguments that they both are.
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Incorrect.
To this point, I do not feel like I have enough information to unequivocally declare him or Biden a racist. But I can certainly understand the valid arguments that they both are.
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Yes, do you?
Number of accusations do not alter the presumption of innocence/the innocent until proven guilty standard.
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You seem to need a whole lot of proof, for someone who is not judging you by the same meter.
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Think it is utterly ridiculous and I do not support it, period.
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Does this say anything to you about the person that you've chosen to support, and his administration?
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Can’t tell me this ain’t dude
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Yes, I don’t support everything that Trump has ever said or done.
Where we disagree I say it.
Just like I imagine that people aren’t married to everything Biden has said or done.
Like I said, his stance on the Central Park 5 is utterly ridiculous, period. And there’s no defense of Trump for it.
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But the topic at hand is not Biden's actions; it's Trump's. Your bad faith is showing.
Furthermore, the equivalence you're trying to draw between the two doesn't hold: how many times has Biden been sued for discrimination? Does Biden not believe that systematic exist today? I know that your only argument for Biden's racism is the crime bill of 2-3 decades ago; does supporting that make the members of the black Congressional caucus racist too?
Do you think if Obama called Trump and offered him to work under him as VP, the guy who hired an Obama impersonator in order to fire the black POTUS in a political ad would accept?
Get real.
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Of course you don't want to say the answer. Because you know it will make you look bad.
But yes, that Biden didn't call addition witness to back-up Hill's story. And that he didn't do enough to protect Hill from attacks by REPUBLICANS during her testimony since he was chairman of the committee.
You do know that right, that it was the party you support that attacked Anita Hill during her testimony, not Biden himself.
Biden voted against Thomas' nomination, the GOP voted for him.
Biden deserves his criticism, but he was not the worse actor during the whole mess.
Nice try troll.
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But to you, this says nothing about his character, correct? The sheer fact that he has different levels of respect for white people, than people who happen to be Black, should be the red flag for you. I mean, white people who are dictators, controlling and destroying people in countries all around the globe, yet countries on the continent of Africa are !@#$hole countries, right?
Yet, this says nothing to you about how this man views race, and the people who are indeed Black?
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Yes, I knew that was the criticism. As I said before.
The presumption of innocence remains.
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I didn’t say it says nothing about his character.
I said I understand the valid arguments that he is a racist based, in part, on the issues you are raising.
Just like I can understand the arguments that Biden is a racist.
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So you agree the GOP treated Hill worse than Biden then?
Also again, a Senate Judiciary Committee meeting is not a criminal trial. What was being decided was if Thomas deserve a promotion, not a legal punishment for a crime.
If people believed Hill was credible, and in turn Thomas lied, then that is reason to believe he should not get a promotion.
Even though I know you like to defend sexual predators, you can stop with the "presumption of innocence" ****.
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Right, I can understand the argument as well, and I agree with it. So it sounds as if we agree on why ALL White people in america are inherently racist, due to the system that supports them.
But we are talking about one individual here, and you needing more proof that this system supports him as well.
So because this system does exist and Donald Trump was born and raised in it, benefited from it, uses it to his benefit, and then it protected BY it, he is a racist, right?
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Yes to your first question. If any of those senators were running for president I’m sure it would be brought up.
As I’ve said before you shouldn’t be denied a job based on accusations. That’s why you are generally asked about convictions and not even arrests. So the presumption of innocence remains.
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So if you believe Thomas should have been presumed innocent, that means Hill is presumed to be a liar.
Then why do you have an issue with Biden not protecting a liar, and the GOP attacking a liar.
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I’ve heard your argument on this. And by that logic, all white people are, in fact, racist.
Based on your definition of racism I understand the argument.
When I am answering I am saying that the person has shown that they unequivocally believe that white people are superior to black people. Like Lincoln.
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No, I'm not saying you don't do anything to support the struggle, I know you're pro-black, I'm not questioning you. I'm saying you're not helping the current conversation as it pertains to dwalk's support of white supremacy by reminding us all that democrats are flawed too. We know that, we talk about it all the time. You're in here so YOU know that
I'm also generally venting about having to constantly deal with "Well the democrats..." in this the year of our lord two thousand-twenty when discussing republican debasement of democracy.
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Presumption of innocence is a rebuttable presumption in a criminal case, which a Senate confirmation hearing is not a that.
But couldn't someone like Hill could give testimony, that Senators find credible, to the point that they are inclined to believe her, and if Thomas denies it during his testimony, and they find him unconvincing, they may think he is lying, or not forthcoming.
And lying under oath in front of Congress might make them think that is not suitable behavior for a Supreme Court Justice. And be reason to vote no on his promotion.
Your comparison with job is flawed. Job do background checks, they can disqualify people for an arrest.
nice try though
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Also, just to let everyone know, Anita Hill said she is voting for Biden.
