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First of all, great job at ignoring the first sentence of my original post.

What are the reasons one would be against abortion, though? Can you provide any useful insight, or will we just get the usual vague and unhelpful responses?

Because one would consider it the taking of an innocent human life. In the exceptions I outlined, many would consider that taking justified.
 
So, it would make sense then that anyone subscribing to this belief would similarly care about other instances where innocent lives are lost.

Could be. Obviously you could speculate about pretty much anything.

But that sounds like an all-lives-mattering of an issue that deals specifically with abortion.
 
Could be. Obviously you could speculate about pretty much anything.

But that sounds like an all-lives-mattering of an issue that deals specifically with abortion.
But you just told me one would be "pro-life" because one would consider abortion as taking an innocent life. Since the reason you gave me is the taking of an innocent life, then it would make sense these same people are concerned with the taking of innocent life in other scenarios.

Are you now saying the reason you gave me above was misleading?
 
But you just told me one would be "pro-life" because one would consider abortion as taking an innocent life. Since the reason you gave me is the taking of an innocent life, then it would make sense these same people are concerned with the taking of innocent life in other scenarios.

Are you now saying the reason you gave me above was misleading?

Just because it would make sense doesn’t change anything. The pro-life discussion is about abortion. You are attempting to broaden the discussion in an all-lives-matter way.

This is an example of what you are doing in a different context:

*Innocent, unarmed black person is killed by police*

Protestors: Black Lives Matter

You: “[W]ould make sense these same people are concerned with the taking of innocent life in other scenarios.”
 
Could be. Obviously you could speculate about pretty much anything.

But that sounds like an all-lives-mattering of an issue that deals specifically with abortion.

I think it’s the opposite of ALM/BLM - it’s taking what is statistically a small thing and ignoring the huge number of people disadvantaged by no access to healthcare/housing/education/work... - instead of trying to bury the statistically significant fact that black people are killed at a much higher rate than others.

It’s flat out hypocrisy.
 
I think it’s the opposite of ALM/BLM - it’s taking what is statistically a small thing and ignoring the huge number of people disadvantaged by no access to healthcare/housing/education/work... - instead of trying to bury the statistically significant fact that black people are killed at a much higher rate than others.

It’s flat out hypocrisy.

I will just agree to disagree.

Saying pro-life in the manner he did reeks of the same energy that racist white people use when they post Black Lives Matter under stories related to a black person taking the life of another black person.

The fact that more black people might die from sources other than police killing doesn’t change the reality or premise of the Black Lives Matter movement or the system of injustice and police brutality that has a disparate impact on black people.

In the same sense, the fact that innocent lives might be taken more in different contexts doesn’t negate the reality of the pro-life discussion. His post was intentionally downplaying the abortion discussion in the same way that the All Lives Matter crowd does as it relates to the treatment of black people by police.
 
Just because it would make sense doesn’t change anything. The pro-life discussion is about abortion. You are attempting to broaden the discussion in an all-lives-matter way.

This is an example of what you are doing in a different context:

*Innocent, unarmed black person is killed by police*

Protestors: Black Lives Matter

You: “[W]ould make sense these same people are concerned with the taking of innocent life in other scenarios.”
I'm not broadening the discussion regarding abortion. I'm not even talking about abortion beyond the reason people are against it. I'm using the reason you gave me for being "pro-life" and applying it to other scenarios.

Your example doesn't make any sense. Here would be a better example of what I'm doing:

Person: I support some movement for x, y, and z reasons!
Me: Ok, based on the reasons you gave me, you likely support these other movements as well.

The ALM movement exists because it completely ignores and dismisses the reasons BLM exists. I am using the reasons you gave me to make logical conclusions, I'm not ignoring or dismissing them.
 
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