***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[osh kosh bosh]

Reforming the police does not cost more money, departments broadly speaking are already over compensated especially considering their skills and educational attainment. What is needed is reallocation of existing funds to incentivize better behavior. Not necessarily defund nationwide but a reassessment of where existing funds are going.

You can't buy military grade weaponry and city tanks and then claim you need MORE money for reform.....

Again I repeat; the vast majority of spending comes from payroll and pensions.

and significant reduction in police budgets would necessitate cutting officers and cutting hours.

Im can agree they should reassess where the funds are going, and they should end the purchasing of military grade equipment,

but ultimately real cuts would require cutting officers and hours, and unless you think police serve literally zero crime reducing function, then that would likely result in an increase in crime and less crime solved.

 

[wr]

Reforming the police does not cost more money, departments broadly speaking are already over compensated especially considering their skills and educational attainment. What is needed is reallocation of existing funds to incentivize better behavior. Not necessarily defund nationwide but a reassessment of where existing funds are going.

You can't buy military grade weaponry and city tanks and then claim you need MORE money for reform.....

Theres actually a program were departments get surplus military equipment. If they don't use it they have to get rid of it.
How easy is it for the PDs across the America to find an excuse to roll out the tanks and their "riot" gear

 

[zekethephysique]

Our State AG is the most corrupt person in our state government... Which is saying alot.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/12/08/texas-ken-paxton-election-georgia/

"Paxton, who has been under indictment since 2015 for felony securities fraud charges, is facing fresh criminal allegations from eight of his top deputies, who said they believe he broke the law by using the agency to do favors for a political donor. The FBI is investigating Paxton over those claims, according to the Associated Press. Paxton has denied wrongdoing."

 

[osh kosh bosh]

my message was directed at people who say defund the military sir, obviously training them not to murder people should be top priority

we can erase centuries of ingrained oppression, destruction, and systemic and murderous expansion with a few months of training and some new hires

maybe give them some more money for this stuff, idk. the multi billion dollar budget seems like enough but eh

#fundthemilitaryindustrialcomplex doesn’t roll off the tongue as well

it's a false equivalence and you know it.


Im asking for evidence backed reforms that have been shown to decrease violent crime, solve more crime and reduce police on citizen violence.



"we can erase centuries of ingrained oppression, destruction, and systemic and murderous expansion by cutting police budgets"

You are advocating for magical thinking.

 

[getback]

okay let me know the next time a police department carries out a drone strike or carpet bombs a city

and then ill agree that it's "not by much"

Those are obviously extreme examples. But you knew that.

A lot of their patrol duties are the same. Police do use drones and bombs to a lesser extent than they would against a foreign "enemy" though. Again, showing how out of touch you are. They probably don't do the same stuff in Vancouver.

Saw a girl get shot in the eye with a rubber bullet and killed celebrating a Red Sox championship.

 

[wr]

Those are obviously extreme examples. But you knew that.

A lot of their patrol duties are the same. Police do use drones and bombs to a lesser extent than they would against a foreign "enemy" though.

There are getting the surplus through special grant programs. Eventually all those things happening out in the field are used against people home.

 

[AEA18]

okay let me know the next time a police department carries out a drone strike or carpet bombs a city

and then ill agree that it's "not by much"

Does robotic bombing count?

How robot, explosives took out Dallas sniper in unprecedented way

www.cnn.com

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Those are obviously extreme examples. But you knew that.

A lot of their patrol duties are the same. Police do use drones and bombs to a lesser extent than they would against a foreign "enemy" though.

cmon fam this is a crazy reach.

the military job is literally to kill people it's not the same as police, and it obviously doesn't make sense to apply my opinions on policing to the military.

if you want my opinion on that you can just ask. no need to draw a false equivalence.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Does robotic bombing count?

How robot, explosives took out Dallas sniper in unprecedented way

www.cnn.com

You example is police taking out a dude after "45-minute gun battle and two hours of negotiating with a sniper targeting police officers"

that's you rebuttal?

it's totally absurd and not worthy of a response.

 

[Cashflow]

 

[RIP sleazyy]

it's a false equivalence and you know it.


Im asking for evidence backed reforms that have been shown to decrease violent crime, solve more crime and reduce police on citizen violence.



"we can erase centuries of ingrained oppression, destruction, and systemic and murderous expansion by cutting police budgets"

You are advocating for magical thinking.

I’m not advocating for anything but telling oppressed people to look at the data. their feelings are irrelevant. why not put more police in areas where people already don’t trust them and feel victimized by them? I wonder if this presence will increase in suburbs too.

people who have spent decades just wanting the police to do their job properly are fed up with being harassed, robbed, and murdered by public servants and want them abolished.

“read the data”, says the man on the internet

 

[frshstunna]

I will just never understand why America should ever care about what is going on in the middle east.
beyond just like hamartian aid.

you got all these middle east experts on tv, people learning farsi and arabic so they can be booked on cable news shows
to tell you why the US must intervene in X middle east country.

why??? who cares????

Like Nigeria has oil, Nigeria has Islamic terrorists.
but I don't see any Nigeria experts on CNN???

I don't see any smart pants elite college people learning igbo and moving Lagos to burnish their resumes
so they can get a sweet think tank job and then Nat sec job with the biden administration.

They already ravaged Africa, this is just the Middle East’s time thats all ...N “African Terrorists” don’t hit as hard when it comes to keeping folks shook in this country cuz they don’t associate black faces with Islam as much as the Ppl of the middle eastern countries

 

[Mark Antony]

okay let me know the next time a police department carries out a drone strike or carpet bombs a city

and then ill agree that it's "not by much"

 

[getback]

cmon fam this is a crazy reach.

the military job is literally to kill people it's not the same as police, and it obviously doesn't make sense to apply my opinions on policing to the military.

if you want my opinion on that you can just ask. no need to draw a false equivalence.

American police and military both occupy territory to preserve or force American culture.

I don't get how the concept is difficult. Seems pretty analogous unless you want to convolute the comparison by citing the caliber of their weaponry.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

the deveolition of the areguments for defund the police has been a sigt to see

I’m not advocating for anything but telling oppressed people to look at the data. their feelings are irrelevant. why not put more police in areas where people already don’t trust them and feel victimized by them? I wonder if this presence will increase in suburbs too.

the devolution of the arguments for defund the police has been a sight to see.

I appreciate this post tho because it clarifies something I've suspectd.

people who have spent decades just wanting the police to do their job properly are fed up with being harassed, robbed, and murdered by public servants and want them abolished./QUOTE]

this has nothing to do with improving policing and everything to do with dishing out some kind of cosmic justice to police.

i now understand why suggestions, datae on how to actually improve the situation are totally pointless.

 

[Mark Antony]

cmon fam this is a crazy reach.

the military job is literally to kill people it's not the same as police, and it obviously doesn't make sense to apply my opinions on policing to the military.

if you want my opinion on that you can just ask. no need to draw a false equivalence.

American police are actually more trained to kill any threat, including civilians than the military.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

so you believe that bombing is a regular police tactic?

not an extrodiary a-typical event

so a typical in fact...that they...made a documentary about it?


cmon fam

 

[Comparison Ford]

so you believe that bombing is a regular police tactic?

not an extrodiary a-typical event

so a typical in fact...that they...made a documentary about it?


cmon fam

You asked for an instance where the police bombed a city, he gave it to you, and now you wanna move the goalposts?

Word.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

it would just be better.

if yall would just admit,

Defund the police about punishment. it has nothing to do with improving policing.

 

[Mark Antony]

so you believe that bombing is a regular police tactic?

not an extrodiary a-typical event

so a typical in fact...that they...made a documentary about it?


cmon fam

Let me look again to see if I see any mention of that by you or me

okay let me know the next time a police department carries out a drone strike or carpet bombs a city

and then ill agree that it's "not by much"

Nope, had to make sure.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

You asked for an instance where the police bombed a city, he gave it to you, and now you wanna move the goalposts?

Word.

well if you wanna be specific I said carpet bombing and drone strikes.
I can get equally pedantic with the "goal posts"

 

[Comparison Ford]

I can get equally pedantic with the "goal posts"

Trust me when I say we've all figured this out by now.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Let me look again to see if I see any mention of that by you or me

Nope, had to make sure.

again i can play these word games if you want to. that was not a "carpet bombing" or a "drone strike"

 

[getback]

Bombing Philadelphia. Okay. Carpet bombing Philadelphia. Not okay.

Interesting.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

So we've reached the bottom of the defund the police arguments.

we need to defund the police because they regularly bomb cities, and drone strike citizens like... the ...united.. states military.


okay you got it.