***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[rexanglorum]

So to fight GOP authoritarianism, Joe Biden should......check notes.....become and authoritarian? That's the plan?

I co sister this country authoritarian already, especially for those who aren’t well off. If using the threat of fed time for a construction magnate as a bargaining chip to get a nation wide eviction moratorium, I’d take that trade. It’s not ideal but respecting rules and norms in the face of those who don’t will lead to even less ideal outcomes.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I co sister this country authoritarian already, especially for those who aren’t well off. If using the threat of fed time for a construction magnate as a bargaining chip to get a nation wide eviction moratorium, I’d take that trade. It’s not ideal but respecting rules and norms in the face of those who don’t will lead to even less ideal outcomes.

What's the plan when Republican state governments start mirroring Biden's behavior toward liberals politicians in their state?

What happens when the GOP gerrymanders the Dems out of power, then get an electoral college victory and then start jailing civil rights and climate activist

Academics are warning that America fully slides into an undemocratic hell when the Dems start engaging in the same behavior the GOP does. You are asking for one level above that.

So what is the plan when the GOP has the power to yield?

 

[Belgium]

Shocker. It's almost as if Barr ordered DOJ to impede the First Step Act's implementation and defended that order when most, not all, judges refused to go along with the tactic and condemned the obstruction. Barr's letter was full of nothing but servile praise but something that helped black people was apparently a step too far for him.

 

[IATT]

dwalk31 since you’re no longer team trump

 

[aepps20]

Work like hell to win those Georgia race so I can have a massive reconciliation bill

If I win those race, try to buy off Joe Manchin and Sinema

If we don't win those races, guess what, I don't know. No one really does.

What I do know is that MY LAKERS PRESIDENT ELECT TRUMP WILL HAVE HUGE 2ND TERM.

 

[dmbrhs]

Shocking that the "GOP Electors" from Michigan consist of a mix of everyone's grandmother, a drunk uncle, a Karen or two, and a partridge in a pear tree.

 

[RustyShackleford]

dwalk31 I know work probably has you busy, but I am just checking if you are committed and doing everything you can to help the Dems win those GA Senate races?

Or have you flipped back to your natural state

 

[stuntman mike]

i bet he donated to warnock at the very least.

 

[iheartboost]

Covid upgraded to gangrene?!

 

[frink85]

Covid upgraded to gangrene?!

prob the blood clots got him at the leg/ankle

 

[Nike Jordan]

ninjahood , it is December, b. We are still waiting for you to take your turn.

I checked his Twitter again and he hasn't tweeted in two weeks.

 

[Nike Jordan]

I’m hollerin at the responses

Who's more racist, the white people or the Black cop?

The Black cop because he hates Black people as well.

 

[dwalk31]

dwalk31 I know work probably has you busy, but I am just checking if you are committed and doing everything you can to help the Dems win those GA Senate races?

Or have you flipped back to your natural state

Yes, fully committed. Truly hope the Dems flip the Senate.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Yes, fully committed. Truly hope the Dems flip the Senate.

My man. Me and KHUFU are proud of your sudden, albeit convenient, political metamorphosis.

You went from four years of this...

Then the day after, to this..

Happened so quickly, some might make the conclusion that it was insincere.

 

[Mark Antony]

My man, me and KHUFU are proud of your sudden, albeit convenient, political metamorphosis.

You went from four years of this...

Then the day after, to this..

Happened so quickly, some might make the conclusion that it was insincere.

Ehh I think it's sincere, now that the rose in bloom, a light hits the gloom on the gray.

 

[DLF]

prob the blood clots got him at the leg/ankle

Don’t you mean bumbleclot

 

[IATT]

 

[rexanglorum]

What's the plan when Republican state governments start mirroring Biden's behavior toward liberals politicians in their state?

What happens when the GOP gerrymanders the Dems out of power, then get an electoral college victory and then start jailing civil rights and climate activist

Academics are warning that America fully slides into an undemocratic hell when the Dems start engaging in the same behavior the GOP does. You are asking for one level above that.

So what is the plan when the GOP has the power to yield?

The GOP already is unconstrained by Democratic self restraint. The GOP does a bunch of authoritarian stuff already and if another GOP trifecta is formed, all the worst stuff you mentioned will happen any way regardless of what Joe Biden did or did not do.

The way Democrats expand on their wins in 2020 is by delivering for their constituents or short of that highlighting the differences in policy.

A policy of having a 15 dollar minimum wage by executive fiat means that workers get more money right away. Same with an eviction moratorium. Then when the right wing courts take it away, the 22 and 24 elections will have tangible material consequences.

Also a strategy of EO plus legislative compromise can also deliver some material wins AND it can be used to buttress political democracy such as implementing a new voting rights act.

Will this have 100% chance of success? No it won’t but submitting to a GOP blockade for four years has a 100% chance of ending in disaster. Moreover, liberal democracy is finished so I’d rather have a left authoritarian than a right authoritarianism in America.

 

[RustyShackleford]

The GOP already is unconstrained by Democratic self restraint. The GOP does a bunch of authoritarian stuff already and if another GOP trifecta is formed, all the worst stuff you mentioned will happen any way regardless of what Joe Biden did or did not do.

The way Democrats expand on their wins in 2020 is by delivering for their constituents or short of that highlighting the differences in policy.

A policy of having a 15 dollar minimum wage by executive fiat means that workers get more money right away. Same with an eviction moratorium. Then when the right wing courts take it away, the 22 and 24 elections will have tangible material consequences.

Also a strategy of EO plus legislative compromise can also deliver some material wins AND it can be used to buttress political democracy such as implementing a new voting rights act.

Will this have 100% chance of success? No it won’t but submitting to a GOP blockade for four years has a 100% chance of ending in disaster. Moreover, liberal democracy is finished so I’d rather have a left authoritarian than a right authoritarianism in America.

Yeah dude you are wildin

If you are gonna push this type of stuff, it is perfectly fair for people to push back against it without being a Biden defender.

But like I said, have your fun

 

[stuntman mike]

that transformation tho...

 

[rexanglorum]

Yeah dude you are wildin

If you are gonna push this type of stuff, it is perfectly fair for people to push back against it without being a Biden defender.

Also, it pretty crazy that you push back against two things here, racism and demands that the Democratic Party do something meaningful.

But like I said, have your fun

If Georgia goes red, what is the alternative? What is the path to getting out of this fatal trajectory we find ourselves on?

Also, it pretty wild that you doggedly push back against two things: any post that peddled right wing/white supremacist talking points and and those who criticize the Democratic Party from the left.

 

[cedric ceballos]

The Dems are in such a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation because there’s actually standards for them whereas the scumbaggery is condoned within the GOP and normalized.

I’m in the the Dems need to play dirty and beat the GOP at their own game boat. But to his credit, obeahmyal7 made some valid points I didn’t take into consideration so I can see the reasoning for not going that route also.

But if the Dems aren’t going to play dirty, that’s fine. But they need to hold the GOP accountable, and let them know that all their underhanded tactics and disrespectful behavior is going to have consequences. If the GOP is going to obstruct and act in bad faith which they will, the Dems need to fight back as best they can within the political rules. Biden hasn’t even been sworn in yet, but I hope they’re preparing for those 2022 midterms already regardless of what happens in Georgia in January.

The way someone like Jon Osoff has been verbally destroying David Perdue. More Dems need to show that ruthless type of energy when dealing with a GOP that’s had no problem giving it to them.

 

[RustyShackleford]

If Georgia goes red, what is the alternative? What is the path to getting out of this fatal trajectory we find ourselves on?

What do you want me to tell you?

I don't ******* know

But I do know that advocating for the Democratic Party to become more undemocratic and authoritarian than the GOP is bound to backfire hard. Things are as not as bad as they can get, they can get worse. Your plan risk accelerating the coming of the fatal end, hell it damns near guarantees the end will come quicker than otherwise. And like always, I must point out that when right-wing vengeance comes, some groups will face it harsher than others.

It is like there is a wildfire raging in front of us, I say I don't know how we can stop this, we have to use water but he doesn't have enough water. You say 'I know we should let a bigger fire of our own to fight the first fire", I say that doesn't make sense it will just make the situation worse, and your response is "what else are we to do, stuff is already burning"

You want to know something, whether it be your plan or anything else, the left-wing coalition needs a run of luck. That is the scary truth right now. That our side needs luck on their side, a ton of it, and real ******* soon.

 

[rexanglorum]

What do you want me to tell you?

I don't ****ing know

But I do know that advocating for the Democratic Party to become more undemocratic and authoritarian than the GOP is bound to backfire hard. Things are as not as bad as they can get, they can get worse. Your plan risk accelerating the coming of the fatal end, hell it damns near guarantees the end will come quicker than otherwise. And like always, I must point out that when right-wing vengeance comes, some groups will face it harsher than others.

It is like there is a wildfire raging in front of us, I say I don't know how we can stop this, you say 'I know we should let a bigger fire of our own to fight the first fire", I say that doesn't make sense it will just make the situation worse, and your response is "what else are we to do, stuff is already burning"

Yet you feel I am the one being unreasonable.

You want to know something, whether it be your plan or anything else, the left-wing coalition needs a run of luck. That is the scary truth right now. That our side needs luck on their side, a ton of it, and real ****ing soon.

Well sometimes wildfires are stopped with controlled burns. If you can’t clear a fire break fast enough by chopping one out, you use fire to clear a fire break although it does carry risks of that fire running out of control and meeting the wildfire.

I totally agree, we are in a bad position and we’ll need some extraordinary things to happen. At the local level, we all do need to do as much organizing and mutual aid as we can in order to change the terrain and make it as favorable as possible.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Well sometimes wildfires are stopped with controlled burns. If you can’t clear a fire break fast enough by chopping one out, you use fire to clear a fire break although it does carry risks of that fire running out of control and meeting the wildfire.

I totally agree, we are in a bad position and we’ll need some extraordinary things to happen. At the local level, we all do need to do as much organizing and mutual aid as we can in order to change the terrain and make it as favorable as possible.

My guy, you are suggesting Biden move like a diet dictator, that is not a control burn