***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[gry60]

I think people need to accept that unless democrats hold a significant majority in the house and senate there will probably never be radical change in this country regardless of who the elected leader is. Change has and almost certainly will always be slow. It won't matter if AOC/Bernie/Warren is president if there is a significant roadblock in the way in the Senate and House.

Stop waiting for the significant majority. Stop playing it safe. Safe is no longer an option for Democrats, and some of them refuse to see it and keep chasing compromise.

House Republicans have planned to object to the certification of Biden's win when the House reconvenes in January. How many red flags do they need to wave for the Democratic establishment to see them for what they are? The last thing you want to do is legitimizing these people, and Biden is signaling that he wants to do that for ******* what?

How many Republicans are talking about coming to their senses while running for reelection? HOW MANY?

ZERO.

So who's Biden going to go to for compromise, as the only Republicans left in Congress are only there because they are willing to indulge in the conspiracy theories (if they don't believe them themselves) just so they don't get death threats from their constituents and get a chance at keeping their seats?

Legitimizing the GOP by considering them for administrative positions is helping in hiding the ugliness within the party; it is not helping the GOP move towards true reform; it's cosigning the BS that they've been pushing, and it's going to cost Democrats and the nation in the long term.

What Democrats should do is play up those divisions within the party by forcing them to take a public stand. If I'm Joe, I'm not taking 3am booty calls from senior GOP members tambout "we got you." Call Fox News and tell Trump you're dumping him on Fox and Friends. I got 81 million folks behind me, and they're younger than your 76 million people. They can go the distance.

This is the first time in a long time that they've had a real opportunity at severing the republican bloc in a way that could guarantee wins and stall the GOP plan of minority rule for the foreseeable future, and they are entertaining them instead.

 

[cedric ceballos]

My thing is this. Biden is considering Republicans for administrative positions and trying to reach across the aisle. If there was civility and mutual respect in American politics right now, that would be a noble good faith gesture. But while he may have a good relationship with some individual GOP senators and higher ups, collectively the GOP doesn’t respect him or the Democratic Party in general. And those GOP senators Biden gets along with ultimately answer to Mitch, a guy who in the midst of a recession, said his parties main goal was to make the last Democrat President a one term President so getting compromise or mutual respect when having to deal with Mitch isn’t happening. Biden should know. He had a front row seat for 8 years of it.


When the GOP wins the White House, how many Democrats is their administration considering for cabinet positions? How many good faith reach across the aisle gestures are they making? How many Supreme Court justices are they trying to nominate which could appeal to both sides? Yeah the incumbent President might say some “it’s time to come together” line. But when the GOP holds power, compromise isn’t one of their words and the Dems need to show the same energy back to the GOP. It doesn’t have to be in the form of playing dirty, but at the very least talk to them the same way the GOP does and show them the same disregard.

 

[kungfu koala]

cedric ceballos
This precedent will haunt the gop for generations. Responding in kind will only hurt the dems, though I'll agree, bipartisanship is virtually futile.
f em, I'd charge straight ahead...

 

[junglejim]

Stop waiting for the significant majority. Stop playing it safe. Safe is no longer an option for Democrats, and some of them refuse to see it and keep chasing compromise.

House Republicans have planned to object to the certification of Biden's win when the House reconvenes in January. How many red flags do they need to wave for the Democratic establishment to see them for what they are? The last thing you want to do is legitimizing these people, and Biden is signaling that he wants to do that for ****ing what?

How many Republicans are talking about coming to their senses while running for reelection? HOW MANY?

ZERO.

So who's Biden going to go to for compromise, as the only Republicans left in Congress are only there because they are willing to indulge in the conspiracy theories (if they don't believe them themselves) just so they don't get death threats from their constituents and get a chance at keeping their seats?

Legitimizing the GOP by considering them for administrative positions is helping in hiding the ugliness within the party; it is not helping the GOP move towards true reform; it's cosigning the BS that they've been pushing, and it's going to cost Democrats and the nation in the long term.

What Democrats should do is play up those divisions within the party by forcing them to take a public stand. If I'm Joe, I'm not taking 3am booty calls from senior GOP members tambout "we got you." Call Fox News and tell Trump you're dumping him on Fox and Friends. I got 81 million folks behind me, and they're younger than your 76 million people. They can go the distance.

This is the first time in a long time that they've had a real opportunity at severing the republican bloc in a way that could guarantee wins and stall the GOP plan of minority rule for the foreseeable future, and they are entertaining them instead.

This is great and all, but it still doesn't change the fact that Democrats aren't going to pass things like M4A, the Green New deal, police reform, housing reform, education reform, etc with a divided congress or even if they have a majority in both the senate and house they are still likely going to need 60 votes to pass M4A and its not going to happen largely because of what you are talking about above with the GOP. That's all I'm pointing out here.

It has nothing to do with compromise and everything to do with the way our system is currently working.

 

[gry60]

When the GOP wins the White House, how many Democrats is their administration considering for cabinet positions? How many good faith reach across the aisle gestures are they making? How many Supreme Court justices are they trying to nominate which could appeal to both sides?

Exactly.

It's a matter of self-preservation and self-respect.
That's why Democrats are called weak.

Consistently making those concessions with no expectations of having their back scratched is why the accusations that the "Democratic establishment (however people characterize it) is in on it" are difficult to defend.

 

[Brownstone]

The truth is, it is far easier to pass an agenda when 95% of your voters look the same, and have similar interests.

Democrats need to unapologetically start making fun of evangelicals hypocrisy, nominate judges based on their beliefs in climate change and tell certain factions of the party to shut up (Both moderate and progressive) on certain issues and get on the same page. Additionally, weed is a winning driver of votes and should be part of a national strategy regardless of district, also it should be intertwined with some sort of reparation program targeted specifically towards helping black folks. This Obama/Bernie thinking of a rising tide lifts all boats line of thinking needs to sit all the way down. And lastly, lets get Biden to pass the one piece of legislation that can actually be bipartisan and is realistic. An infrastructure bill, that we Dems can take credit for and where all the republicans will wine about us getting credit for Trumps idea that he stole from Obama.

 

[Cashflow]

 

[RustyShackleford]

I believe having someone from the opposing party be in your cabinet in something presidents did regularly before Trump broke with that

Bush did it, he had a Democrat running the Department of Transportation. Regan I believe did the same.

I really don't see the point of people getting worked up that Biden is doing it. It really says nothing about his presidency.

Some folk gotta pace themselves

 

[junglejim]

I believe having someone from the opposing party be in your cabinet in something presidents did regularly before Trump broke with that

Bush did it, he had a Democrat running the Department of Transportation. Regan I believe did the same.

I really don't see the point of people getting worked up that Biden is doing it. It really says nothing about his presidency.

Some folk gotta pace themselves

We just started a marathon and people are calling it quits 20 meters into the race

 

[AEA18]

Damn it be yo own domestic terrorists

 

[RustyShackleford]

On the bright side, if he does die, hell is probably too hot for the virus to survive down there. So ole boy can go mask free as much as he wants

Suck it libs!

 

[dinyc3st]

My Political Bae isn't holding back!


Also, Ron looking a lil shaky



And the clap back

 

[IATT]

dwalk31 i believe you were still team #MAGA at this point..

 

[cosmiccoffee9]

true that you gotta give Joe and Co. a chance to take office first, but a sense of urgency is fair to have.

I think about what could happen in 4 years under a merely competent administration.

in 4 years companies could buy up every other rental in a city and tie housing to employment.

in 4 years environmental damage from the energy sector could render parts of the country uninhabitable.

in 4 years the whims of ISPs could decide the educational fate of entire populations.

in 4 years Jeff Bezos could literally hoard one trillion dollars in resources, a millon-million.

****, in 4 years we could still be dealing with COVID and it's crises.

so yeah it's fair to give the blue team a shot...but also to recognize that we're in crunch time here.

 

[IATT]

 

[cosmiccoffee9]

the unmitigated gall, the absolute ******* temerity of this guy.

this is what I'm talking about, trusting the process starts looking kinda impotent with folks like this around.

 

[Benny Hinn]

Love the random "I think you should leave" quote

 

[Nike Jordan]

Tim Robinson being quoted by a politician.

What a time.

 

[cubanref]

Not sure if this is old news but come on man your password was maga2020!

 

[gry60]

 

[aepps20]

On the bright side, if he does die, hell is probably too hot for the virus to survive down there. So ole boy can go mask free as much as he wants

Suck it libs!

Glass entirely full. LIBS ARE OVER.

 

[dacomeup]

 

[zekethephysique]

That Trump Cult.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-voters-angry-bookmakers-paying-out-bidens-election-win-1555135

 

[IATT]

 

[dinyc3st]

YIKES