***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[osh kosh bosh]

So your example of a template the Democratic Party should follow nationally, and in swing states, is a dude running in a Democratic primary, for a mayoral position, in a city with like a plus 35 partisan lean for the Dems, who will at best only win a plurality of the vote, within a large field so the party establishment can't coordinate for one candidate, and who has a leg up because he has a massive leg up with name recognition.

Seriously question, are you ****ing with me right now?

Even if I take Yang as a serious answer (which sorry, I have a hard time doing), you kind of not answering my question. If progressive speech codes are not stopping Yang from winning, then how is it a hindrance for candidates?

I am asking who is suffering from them. Yang is clearly not suffering.

im not saying it's template people should follow. im saying

he's going against activists in pretty small ways
and people ******* HATE that dude.

i can't say who is didn't run who would have run if not for this environment.
but to me it seems to create an environment where people don't want to try.

lest they be tarred as a "flatterer of white supremacy"



I've seen this dynamic play out in canada, My friend w works for the far left party in canada.

he's a white dude who got into politics volunteering teaching esl classes to recent immigrants,
and helping low income people in fights with landlords. just a good dude who wants to help people.

and the way he has to talk to people in the party, it's like a jane austen novel.
the amount of jargon, the delicacy he has to approach to get them to listen to the practical concerns of the people he's actually interacts with and lives around is crazy.

and the way people try to use the language of activism as a cudgel to climb the ladder in elite progressivism is wild.

he's smart guy so he's able to speak the new elite manners of fancy progressive people
but is always complaining about his frustration, that the party has a hard ceiling because the faculty lounge politics hurts with real voters.


maybe in democratic spaces is different, but i dunno, it sounds like a similar thing is happening in american elite progressive spaces.
and american elite progressive spaces produces, all the politicians and political strategists for the democratic party.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

good guy...andrew yang???

die hero or live long enough to see yourself become yang gang?

 

[RustyShackleford]

White privilege is helping Biden a lot

I guess being the GOAT only goes so far

 

[biggie62]

Question becomes is where is he going to get the funding for it? To be honest he can’t raise taxes much because people are already leaving the city as more people are working remotely and will leave even further if he goes that route.

Like I’m a pretty die hard New Yorker. I love this city. However, the traffic and housing prices makes it harder and harder to justify living here. The food and cultural scene doesn’t make up for the fact how much I spend time in traffic and the prices I need to pay for activities. New York and the city really need to play a fine tuned game. If covid did anything, it really has decentralized the need to focus employees in cities.

 

[Nike Jordan]

 

[RustyShackleford]

im not saying it's template people should follow. im saying

he's going against activists in pretty small ways
and people ****ing HATE that dude.

i can't say who is didn't run who would have run if not for this environment.
but to me it seems to create an environment where people don't want to try.

lest they be tarred as a "flatterer of white supremacy"



I've seen this dynamic play out in canada, My friend w works for the far left party in canada.

he's a white dude who got into politics volunteering teaching esl classes to recent immigrants,
and helping low income people in fights with landlords. just a good dude who wants to help people.

and the way he has to talk to people in the party, it's like a jane austen novel.
the amount of jargon, the delicacy he has to approach to get them to listen to the practical concerns of the people he's actually interacts with and lives around is crazy.

and the way people try to use the language of activism as a cudgel to climb the ladder in elite progressivism is wild.

he's smart guy so he's able to speak the new elite manners of fancy progressive people
but is always complaining about his frustration, that the party has a hard ceiling because the faculty lounge politics hurts with real voters.


maybe in democratic spaces is different, but i dunno, it sounds like a similar thing is happening in american elite progressive spaces.
and american elite progressive spaces produces, all the politicians and political strategists for the democratic party.

I'm sorry but this is a but we had this conversation about Yang's ******* already. Yang has done a lot of **** that would put him on their bad side. He started his presidential campaign going on right-wing talk shows, complaining about the Democrats trying to use identity politics alone to win campaigns (which is utter nonsense). He had this schtick about him going to Washington and never meeting any Dems that wanted to help working-class America and their issues, pandering to white people again. Yet on the campaign trail, he was constantly saying he didn't know such and such thing was a major issue. Trans people being sexually assaulted, gun violence, police brutality, and voting rights under attack were ******* news to him apprently.

So why shouldn't people, especially progressives, not really rock with dude? Especially in NYC.

You admitted you didn't follow dudes' Presidential campaign, and you were not consigning some of his moves I brought up. Yet I'm supposed to buy that people's beef with him is strictly about small **** he is doing now?

I mean even if I put the Presidential campaign, just last week he might with a LGBTQ Democratic club, and they wanted to hear a plan from him about addressing homelessness and affordable housing. Instead, he told them he has gay people on this staff, and he is excited to visit a gay bar in NY, and bring back gay pride parade. That **** is needlessly flippant. So the "I hate identity politics" dude, who criticized the entire Democratic Party in bad faith, is now deploying the most odious type of left-wing identity politics when it serves him. Why should someone not come away from that kind of interaction with a bad taste in their mouth about dude? Cause the normies like his cringe?

Like not all activists are just some progressive people that police language on the left at the cost of everything else. Many are simple working-class people that want to help folk through policy changes. Dude, I am involved in local politics in Nevada, and loosely in Arizona. Sorry, but my experiences don't match what happened to your friend. A small number of speech policing activists don't have this widespread power in the party to stomp any and everything down. Plus, different groups within the party always have static with one another. State parties are not elite progressive spaces in my experience. I mean the Arizona state party help recruited Krysten Sinema for ****s sake.

So this is why I struggle so hard to take your concerns seriously right now. Especially when you come in here on the "Dems are stupid for doing this" "I've said this a million times". You claim it is a serious issue, can't give me any real data points of it happening, yet you are sure it is and is preventing a type of Democrat that never really existed to flourish. You don't see how that can be frustrating for someone reading these takes.

So that is why I just think it is really about you not liking a certain group of people, enjoy seeing examples of Dems pissing them off, and that more of that.

 

[DLF]

He has every right to expose himself as an idiot.

That he does

 

[RustyShackleford]

I really hope the spike in crime in cities goes down after the pandemic, because it is doesn't, I seriously fear what Yang might let the NYPD do to black folk.

 

[Brownstone]

White privilege is helping Biden a lot

I guess being the GOAT only goes so far

Yeah, I don't get how people can come to the conclusion. that Biden is more moderate than Obama.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Yeah, I don't get how people can come to the conclusion. that Biden is more moderate than Obama.

Famb, well all know that the main thing that people saw that made them think Barry is a radical, or be more open to the suggestion he was far left, was his melanin.

This **** hurt Obama a lot too.

Beezy actually went out his way to appear centrist, but because Fox News, and in turn the mass media, made people believe he was far more left than he actually was. You had Blue Dog Dems promising to voters they would keep Obama "in check".

 

[dmbrhs]

Ryan Atwood needs to run, what are you doin Orange County.

Just wait until he finds out what's in his cell phone.

 

[TooOlfForThisIsh]

Beezy actually went out his way to appear centrist,

Also, he’s a centrist.

But, yeah, so far Biden has been the most left leaning prez since Reagan reset the definitions. The perception gap is crazy.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Also, he’s a centrist.

But, yeah, so far Biden has been the most left leaning prez since Reagan reset the definitions. The perception gap is crazy.

In 2009, compared to the rest of the party, I would disagree. He was around the standard liberal of the time going into his presidency.

I think the last few years had changed our definition of a centrist. Blue Dog Dems have pretty much been wiped out, so the right of Dem center is now considered a centrist, even though they are left of the old Blue Dogs. Or you have the binary framing of progressive-centrist that leftist used

And that is partly because of Obama, because he was more openly liberal in his final years. Yet people remember the start of his presidency a lot.

 

[frink85]

New York Post Reporter Who Wrote False Kamala Harris Story Resigns (Published 2021)

The front-page article in the Murdoch tabloid claimed that copies of a children’s book by the vice president were given to migrant children as part of a “welcome kit.”

www.nytimes.com

On Tuesday, the author of the original Post article, Laura Italiano, wrote on Twitter that she had resigned from the paper, describing the Harris article as “an incorrect story I was ordered to write and which I failed to push back hard enough against.” She added, “I’m sad to leave.”

 

[blastercombo]

Ryan Atwood needs to run, what are you doin Orange County.

If somebody says this they need to be immediately removed from office. No questions asked. My goodness

 

[frink85]

Actor Randy Quaid says he's 'seriously considering' running for governor of California

Actor Randy Quaid says he is "seriously considering running" for governor of California.

abc7.com

I wonder if the voters take into consideration his service at the Battle of Independence Day

 

[TooOlfForThisIsh]

In 2009, compared to the rest of the party, I would disagree. He was around the standard liberal of the time going into his presidency.

I think the last few years had changed our definition of a centrist. Blue Dog Dems have pretty much been wiped out, so the right of Dem center is now considered a centrist, even though they are left of the old Blue Dogs. Or you have the binary framing of progressive-centrist that leftist used

And that is partly because of Obama, because he was more openly liberal in his final years. Yet people remember the start of his presidency a lot.

I agree with this, but he just happened to be closer to centrist /mainstream on my issues: immigration, foreign policy, combatant engagement...

So I think my thinking is biased. I’ll admit it.

By the way, did you get your 4? I really did try for you...

 

[janitor]

 

[RustyShackleford]

I agree with this, but he just happened to be closer to centrist /mainstream on my issues: immigration, foreign policy, combatant engagement...

So I think my thinking is biased. I’ll admit it.

By the way, did you get your 4? I really did try for you...

I don't want to talk about the UNC 4s, bruh. I'm still tryna process the multiple "Ls" I took this morning. Let be ok though, win some lose some, it is what it is, bigger fish to...

-I agree with your point about Obama's position better matching the general public than modern-day liberal Dems.

 

[biggie62]

Gulianis Manhattan apartament was raided this morning by the feds.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Gulianis Manhattan apartament was raided this morning by the feds.

#Pray4Juju

 

[elpablo21]

 

[RustyShackleford]

Me when the indictment comes down...

 

[sonoftony]

Gulianis Manhattan apartament was raided this morning by the feds.

 

[Fozz]

Ryan Atwood needs to run, what are you doin Orange County.

Ahh yes, the former mayor of Irvine.

Not surprised.