***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[DCAllAfrican]

There’s the real threat with Project 2025 to revoke birthright citizenship, so in theory, illegal immigrants may be deported

President Wants to Use Executive Order to End Birthright Citizenship (Published 2018)

President Trump wrongly said that the United States was the “only country in the world” where a baby born there automatically has citizenship. In fact, dozens of countries grant it.

www.nytimes.com

Yea I get that but what They were trying to say is deportations won't affect all Hispanics because many ARE US citizens. So ones that are citizens voting in favor of deportations isn't really surprising.

 

[elpablo21]

Since it was an L either way Im not even mad at Biden popping his stuff behind closed doors.

Hope he catches George Clooney lackin' in the streets

 

[NToweG]

Trump is Evil

 

[gry60]

They labeled anyone without a college degree as "uneducated" and perpetuated the narrative that it’s these individuals who are supporting Trump.

In the left-leaning content I consume (mainly podcasts), people without degrees are referred to as just that, people without degrees. The idea that the Democratic party message has centered around the uneducated voter sounds like it came from those who want to create the perception that Democrats don't care about people with no/some college education.

Would you say that's the case when looking at Biden's job policies, that mostly favor non-salary (white collar) people (infrastructure funding, farm work, overtime expansion, freedom to unionize)?

Follow up question: where do you get your news from?

 

[casper90403]

Im so over this! The real issue isn’t about what Trump or the Republicans did or didn’t do, it’s about what the Democratic Party failed to do. Trump lost votes, but the Democrats lost even more — 15 million voters didn’t show up. The focus should be on why that happened. What did the Democratic Party fail to address or connect with? Instead of continuing to blame the Republicans, it’s time to take a hard look at the internal issues within the Party. The constant deflection doesn’t help the situation — we need to focus on what went wrong on the Democratic side and why those 15 million voters stayed home.

Stop about Trump is Evil, it didn't work!!!!

the sooner we all agree with this, the better we will be. We need to stop *****ing and moaning. This is why we are in this exact position.

 

[aepps20]

By definition, for a political coalition to move forward, concessions have to be made.

When I read that left-leaning voters stayed home because Harris appealed to Cheney during the campaign, all I want to do is swap this base for the GOP's. At least they understand the political game that's being played by having Amber Rose on stage: get all the votes you can get and kick her *** to the curb after Election Day.

It gets tiring to explain this during and after every election. We need the snowflakes to toughen up and understand that in a democracy, you can't always maintain party purity and achieve electoral victory.

Hard truth but is something our side needs to hear. After taking a break last night and today, I’m back and more fired up than ever to save our country. The Liberal Snowflake “Daddy my pinkie whurts” trope is true in some respects. Republicans have a lot of dogs on their side. Every time they get beaten, the come back more resolved and determined and they never think one election cycle is it for them. Trump and his cronies were taking L after L in every election since 2020. Maybe our side got arrogant or didn’t see the big threat. But while Trump whined they organized, strategized and got the win. They new doubling down on hate was the only card they had to play so they played it and mixed in a few economy this and that once in awhile to mask what they were doing and everyone in their side went all in on it and they didn’t make any active efforts to expand their coalition. They knew big coalitions are flaky and hard to control with purity tests and protest votes. They recognized that their floor was higher than ours and if they could just keep their vote close to 2020 that we would implode and like clockwork we did.

 

[IATT]

I manage a product line for my company. Anything that we make in china we need to pay a 26% tariff. Guess who ends up paying that? The customer lol

People so damn dumb

Yea Starbucks is an American company but them coffee beans coming from either South America or Africa.. if Starbucks costs of buying beans go up, you gotta be stupid as hell to think that won’t end up on the consumer

And ain’t as simple as buy American when production costs probably still higher along with the quality because of climate and soil

Also as Florida found out when they cracked down on illegal workers, some jobs certain people believe are beneath them so had to find people to fill them.. which again ends up raising costs because of lack of availability and high demand needs

 

[Coupé It]

You guys can bash Bernie all you want…

But he’s the man.

 

[Air Champa]

Just think: Mexico just elected a woman president. That kinda goes against manly machoness as a reason for Trump gaining ground with Hispanics. Hillary Clinton also did really well with that demographic in 2016. I'm sure it's been said a dozen times already, but this election mainly came down to how people feel the country is doing. Harris was just really unlucky at not being able to distance herself from that.

 

[rexanglorum]

On the one hand I get where he’s coming from. The median American voter (in 2024) is a depraved lump who would gladly kill millions for free Grub Hub. He may very well be right on this.

Many Americans seem to want more unemployment, as long as it is happening to others.

On the other hand, Bernie would have been supportive of intensive organizing efforts of the lower wage work force. It’s much easier to organize and recruit when you’ve already got a toehold on power and you’ve got even a few modest wins under your belt. (I’d imagine Bernie’s 2021 output would be similar to Biden’s)

Does that make up 15 million votes? We can’t know for sure. But one thing is certain, Bernie wouldn’t constantly be obsessed with romanticizing and rehabing and retconning the Bush-Cheney era. It, like many things from the 2000’s, ought to stay in the 2000’s.


Edit: The more I think of it, the stupider the median American voters’ economic goals are. They literally want to do anti development, they literally want to move people out of the more productive formal sector and into the low productivity informal sector.

Throw in their hatred of cities and infrastructure and the median voter really does just want to molder in their McMansions and be tended to by their iphone slaves. Sad all around.

 

[lovehateself]

You guys can bash Bernie all you want…

But he’s the man.

but not thee man

 

[keko jones]

In the left-leaning content I consume (mainly podcasts), people without degrees are referred to as just that, people without degrees. The idea that the Democratic party message has centered around the uneducated voter sounds like it came from those who want to create the perception that Democrats don't care about people with no/some college education.

Would you say that's the case when looking at Biden's job policies, that mostly favor non-salary (white collar) people (infrastructure funding, farm work, overtime expansion, freedom to unionize)?

Follow up question: where do you get your news from?

Both ABC and CNN were framing the numbers in terms of education, labeling Harris's supporters as educated and Trump's as uneducated. For instance, when they reported results from rural Wisconsin, which favored Trump, they would quickly contrast it with Madison, while saying "a college town with a more educated voter base" for Harris. This pattern continued throughout the night.


Why would I be making this up?

It's easy to get caught up in the perspective within our own bubble, but I do recognize that there’s a larger picture to consider. Different people, especially outside of certain circles, have different priorities and concerns that aren’t always reflected in our circle. It's important to look beyond our own experiences and really understand why people feel disconnected, regardless of political affiliation. Sometimes we need to step out of our comfort zone and listen to what others are saying to fully grasp what’s going on.

This is not meant as a criticism towards you, my dude. I recognize that you're consistently providing valuable information and working to educate those within NT, but we are just a small group.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

On the one hand I get where he’s coming from. The median American voter (in 2024) is a depraved lump who would gladly kill millions for free Grub Hub. He may very well be right on this.

Many Americans seem to want more unemployment, as long as it is happening to others.

On the other hand, Bernie would have been supportive of intensive organizing efforts of the lower wage work force. It’s much easier to organize and recruit when you’ve already got a toehold on power and you’ve got even a few modest wins under your belt. (I’d imagine Bernie’s 2021 output would be similar to Biden’s)

Does that make up 15 million votes? We can’t know for sure. But one thing is certain, Bernie wouldn’t constantly be obsessed with romanticizing and rehabing and retconning the Bush-Cheney era. It, like many things from the 2000’s, ought to stay in the 2000’s.

bernie couldn't win moderate democrats

why would you think he could win moderate general election voters?


i wish bernie revisionist would answer this question.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Like if Bernie presided over record inflation republicans would running nonstop ads about how we're a couple days away from bread lines and rationing like its Cuba or something.

fox news would be 24/7 on how this is the result of communism, hyperinflation is next on the horizon.


if they managed to paint Kamala as California progressive what would they do to bernie?



as far as i can tell people just seem to think Bernie's personal charisma would save him from all of this.

I really doubt it.

 

[cedric ceballos]

Hard truth but is something our side needs to hear. After taking a break last night and today, I’m back and more fired up than ever to save our country. The Liberal Snowflake “Daddy my pinkie whurts” trope is true in some respects. Republicans have a lot of dogs on their side. Every time they get beaten, the come back more resolved and determined and they never think one election cycle is it for them. Trump and his cronies were taking L after L in every election since 2020. Maybe our side got arrogant or didn’t see the big threat. But while Trump whined they organized, strategized and got the win. They new doubling down on hate was the only card they had to play so they played it and mixed in a few economy this and that once in awhile to mask what they were doing and everyone in their side went all in on it and they didn’t make any active efforts to expand their coalition. They knew big coalitions are flaky and hard to control with purity tests and protest votes. They recognized that their floor was higher than ours and if they could just keep their vote close to 2020 that we would implode and like clockwork we did.

I agree completely. The response to that is organizing and strategizing even more effectively.

Once all the honeymoon and “hahaha we owned the libs” phase is over after the inauguration in January, the GOP eventually has to govern. They’re inevitably going to push through unpopular legislation and while perhaps they won’t openly admit it, there’s going to be a sizable amount of people who voted for Trump who are going to have buyers remorse.

If the Dems can push forth a solid and effective alternative and most importantly nail the messaging part. They’ll be in a good position to strike during the midterms and 2028. At this point it’s essentially give the GOP the rope to hang themselves while organizing and unifying behind closed doors to be ready to strike when the GOP ultimately push forth unpopular legislation.

 

[keko jones]

People so damn dumb

Yea Starbucks is an American company but them coffee beans coming from either South America or Africa.. if Starbucks costs of buying beans go up, you gotta be stupid as hell to think that won’t end up on the consumer

And ain’t as simple as buy American when production costs probably still higher along with the quality because of climate and soil

Also as Florida found out when they cracked down on illegal workers, some jobs certain people believe are beneath them so had to find people to fill them.. which again ends up raising costs because of lack of availability and high demand needs

To be frank, I don't believe the Republicans' are worried about hikes. Their goal seems to be focused on promoting consumption and supporting American businesses. They believe this approach will create jobs or bring jobs back, although that may be an overly optimistic view. Personally, I think it's a misguided idea.

That said, it’s interesting that some view Republicans as lacking understanding, when they’ve been the ones warning about the consequences of minimum wage hikes—specifically how such increases inevitably lead to higher prices for consumers.

 

[biggie62]

To be frank, I don't believe the Republicans' are worried about hikes. Their goal seems to be focused on promoting consumption and supporting American businesses. They believe this approach will create jobs or bring jobs back, although that may be an overly optimistic view. Personally, I think it's a misguided idea.

That said, it’s interesting that some view Republicans as lacking understanding, when they’ve been the ones warning about the consequences of minimum wage hikes—specifically how such increases inevitably lead to higher prices for consumers.

Bro minimum wage hikes don’t raise prices as dramatically as businesses like to make it out to be. When Washington and Seattle did it it barely changed the price. This is such a moot talking point.

That’s like a perfect case study since it’s so expensive to live there as is.

 

[rexanglorum]

If the broader left were cohesive they’d start a “Project 2032” which would be a sustained effort to increase voter registration and involvement for the next 8 years. Moreover, they should have permanent field offices and use them to hire part time and full time canvassers. The Democratic Party would be a thing in your neighborhood, you’d know some who was hired by them and it would make the Democratic Party less of this that is only on TV and who might knock on your door once every four years.

 

[keko jones]

Just think: Mexico just elected a woman president. That kinda goes against manly machoness as a reason for Trump gaining ground with Hispanics. Hillary Clinton also did really well with that demographic in 2016. I'm sure it's been said a dozen times already, but this election mainly came down to how people feel the country is doing. Harris was just really unlucky at not being able to distance herself from that.

Harris took on a campaign that was already facing significant challenges, especially considering her own struggles during her presidential run.

It’s difficult to tell voters that Joe Biden is the best choice for the presidency while dismissing concerns about his cognitive health, only for him to exhibit signs of those very issues during his first debate. The sudden shift from supporting Biden to positioning Harris as the solution contributed to a loss of confidence in the campaign. Additionally, using Trump's age as a point of criticism like the Republicans did, after previously downplaying it, only compounded these issues and made it harder to regain the trust of voters.

 

[casper90403]

Both ABC and CNN were framing the numbers in terms of education, labeling Harris's supporters as educated and Trump's as uneducated. For instance, when they reported results from rural Wisconsin, which favored Trump, they would quickly contrast it with Madison, while saying "a college town with a more educated voter base" for Harris. This pattern continued throughout the night.

I hated whenever this was being mentioned. I was actually embarrassed.

If anything, watching the coverage and seeing Kornacki go through the various counties and it hits home at how unequal this country is. I’m not naive. But sometimes I need to be reminded. I was caught slipping this election. The writing was on the wall and I let my hatred for Trump get the best of me. I forgot what was important. I’ve always been more center left but my views are changing.

 

[mister friendly]

Also

 

[IATT]

To be frank, I don't believe the Republicans' are worried about hikes. Their goal seems to be focused on promoting consumption and supporting American businesses. They believe this approach will create jobs or bring jobs back, although that may be an overly optimistic view. Personally, I think it's a misguided idea.

That said, it’s interesting that some view Republicans as lacking understanding, when they’ve been the ones warning about the consequences of minimum wage hikes—specifically how such increases inevitably lead to higher prices for consumers.

We know how it will get spoken and/or ignored

But I wonder at what point the dam will break because as we eventually found out once companies realized consumers would pay higher prices, they just continued to charge those higher prices and capitalize on the higher profit margins.. you also had those who were invested in driving this narrative of economic anxiety

But Americans have long dealt with housing issues, which have only gotten worse with private equity getting more and more involved in the housing market.. and wages have long not raised with the cost of living

But I have zero doubt that this will end poorly, it’s just how poorly

 

[Betonblck]

Also FJB

His *** should’ve resigned months ago

Old Liberal hubris strikes against

Resigned and then what? An open primary. Who says that the best potential candidates want to run against Trump when they can run against someone else in 2028. Hindsight is really 20/20.

The best chance was for Biden to stay in the race but the Democrats listened to rich donors.

 

[gry60]

Sen. Mike Braun said interracial marriage ruling should be left to states

INDIANAPOLIS — In a media call on Tuesday, U.S Senator Mike Braun (R-Ind) said that the U.S. Supreme Court was wrong to legalize interracial marriage in a ruling that stretches back to Loving v. Vi…

fox59.com

The new governor of Indiana.

It's quite a few in here who are celebrating a Trump victory while their marriage may become illegal in some states, especially with a potential, fully conservative SC bench...

 

[biggie62]

Resigned and then what? An open primary. Who says that the best potential candidates want to run against Trump when they can run against someone else in 2028.

The best chance was for Biden to stay in the race but the Democrats listened to rich donors.

I don’t know if that was the best. I think if he stayed and had another bad debate he would have been washed even more unfortunately. The inflation and border issues were going to hurt the Dems no matter who was running.