Official Revised LeBron X Thread: Pressures Launch 11/2 Details pg. 1

[Sixharding!]

not sure why people are saying that the elites struggled?
MV sold like hot cakes
Taxis are almost gone
home/away have been thru numerous restocks and even though there are still some out there...THEY HAVE BEEN THRU NUMEROUS RESTOCKS!
the elites did very well at $250

I think we say that because yeah the MV sold out immediately but that was expected considering the colorway, hell even the regular 9 in GS sold out asap so you know it was just the hype of the colorway.

The Taxis sold ok but they hit sale prices as low as $179.99 and seeing as most of us are hip to coupons and have mad discounts from Nike due to cancelled orders a large chunk of us got the Taxis for less than $250 if not for less than retail of the regular 9's. Not to mention employee discounts or family and friend discounts or swoosh.

The homes and aways are still everywhere and sitting at the $179.99 price.

Now most hit sellouts online at one time or another but since most of us have become computer masters I doubt thats a real gauge of popularity or success. In actual brick and mortar stores I wouldnt call the Elites a failure but I'd hardly call them a success. They did ok overall but didn't do well at the $250 price tag. They started evaporating once prices dropped.

 

[Sixharding!]

Man you beat me to it. You said everything I just finished typing on this freaking iPhone!

my bad, I know how much typing long messages on iPhones SUCK!

 

[the connoisseur]

Here we go again with this dumb assed analogy, comparing sneakers with luxury automobiles.

Basketball shoes are meant to be played in, period.

You don't take a luxury auto, let's use your Benz, to a construction site and then hook it up to a flat bed.

The whole point of making a high priced sneaker is to show how durable and well made the shoe is, all while using quality materials. You pay for quality, not tech, something of Nike's that has never, ever, been proven to do anything any better than what any other company is producing. Nike has taken a plastic shoe, inserted a tweaked distance measuring device, slapped LeBron's name on it, then are charging three hundred dollars for it.

Far less tech..please, talk that crap to someone who doesn't know any better. People played ball way before Nike entered the scene. I don't buy that yeezy crap either.

I hoop. 

The car-shoe analogy is actually an excellent one. Both include high-priced models with expensive parts that most of us will never need. And make no mistake, we are paying for equipment and the time it takes to design and engineer these products. Is it worth it? That's up to the individual consumer to decide for him or herself.

"You don't take a luxury auto, let's use your Benz, to a construction site and then hook it up to a flat bed."

Do you take LeBrons or Jordans on hiking trips? Do you wear them on a construction site?? No one in their right mind would do that, because that's not what they're made for. So the shoe comparison is apt.

"The whole point of making a high priced sneaker is to show how durable and well made the shoe is."

Says who?? You?? Nike has never claimed their most expensive shoes are durable. That's not their goal, performance is. If you want durability, buy a hiking boot. Heavier, less flexible shoes often last longest. For example, a clunky old shoe with an EVA midsole feels terrible, but is durable (assuming it's molded and stitched properly) because it's so dense.

Obviously we don't expect shoes to fall apart, but we're not paying for durability. We're paying for tech, which goes hand-in-hand with quality and performance. Even though the average consumer doesn't need high-end materials.

But there's not much point in trying to explain this to you, because you're not here to read objective opinions, you're here to bash Nike, because LeBron's designer directed a disrespectful tweet at your favourite player. So keep up the good work!

 

[Sixharding!]

No the analogy is kinda flawed. The Sneaker to Luxury car analogy is good if you're talking about casual wear only, not if you're hooping in the shoe. Buddy has a point, you're not taking a Benz or any other luxury vehicle to a construction site to move material and tools, just idiotic and not what the car is made for. Same as the $290 version, its a BASKETBALL SHOE built for PLAYING BASKETBALL, even the tech in the shoe that "justifies" the price increase encourages people to PLAY BASKETBALL in them, NOT WEAR CASUALLY like most people that buy a $290 pair of shoes plans on doing.

Casually Wearing $290 shoe = Cruising in Luxury vehicle

Hooping in a $290 shoe (What the shoe with the fancy tech was made for) = Construction work in a Benz priced Ford F-150

Make sense?

 

[airmvtwo]

this is looking way too clean..hefty price tho

 

[variste957]

i don't see what the big deal is when it comes to the price of the X+.  at least u can ball in em and they do have some kind of technology.  my Prada America Cup high tops cost $435 and they don't do ****, but boy are they sexy though 

 

[iheartboost]

^ Them joints are disgusting b

 

[west coast avenger]

i don't see what the big deal is when it comes to the price of the X+.  at least u can ball in em and they do have some kind of technology.  my Prada America Cup high tops cost $435 and they don't do ****, but boy are they sexy though 

...............

 

[the antidote]

those arent sexy at all. the steve madden look went out years ago and thats why they hit outlets. popping the tongue makes it even worse. as for the analogy on luxury cars and these shoes, i can see most of your point, but there are some flaws as mentioned.

 

[the connoisseur]

No the analogy is kinda flawed. The Sneaker to Luxury car analogy is good if you're talking about casual wear only, not if you're hooping in the shoe. Buddy has a point, you're not taking a Benz or any other luxury vehicle to a construction site to move material and tools, just idiotic and not what the car is made for. Same as the $290 version, its a BASKETBALL SHOE built for PLAYING BASKETBALL, even the tech in the shoe that "justifies" the price increase encourages people to PLAY BASKETBALL in them, NOT WEAR CASUALLY like most people that buy a $290 pair of shoes plans on doing.
Casually Wearing $290 shoe = Cruising in Luxury vehicle
Hooping in a $290 shoe (What the shoe with the fancy tech was made for) = Construction work in a Benz priced Ford F-150
Make sense?

The good analogies I reference on this thread involve sports cars vs. shoes (like PleaseSayTheBaby23's post two pages ago). I still believe that's a great comparison, in terms of the relation between high-priced equipment versus its intended use. There's nothing flawed about that; an analogy is the comparison of two otherwise dissimilar things.

I'm not sure how taking high-priced vehicles to construction sites relates to this at all. But feel free to keep defending the arguments of an irrational Adidas troll only here to bring the hate.

 

[mvpd34]

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[mvpd34]

i don't see what the big deal is when it comes to the price of the X+.  at least u can ball in em and they do have some kind of technology.  my Prada America Cup high tops cost $435 and they don't do ****, but boy are they sexy though 

i think they are mad because "your pradas say prada and they pradas say fila" - Wale'

 

[Nipsey3000]

I think we say that because yeah the MV sold out immediately but that was expected considering the colorway, hell even the regular 9 in GS sold out asap so you know it was just the hype of the colorway.
The Taxis sold ok but they hit sale prices as low as $179.99 and seeing as most of us are hip to coupons and have mad discounts from Nike due to cancelled orders a large chunk of us got the Taxis for less than $250 if not for less than retail of the regular 9's. Not to mention employee discounts or family and friend discounts or swoosh.
The homes and aways are still everywhere and sitting at the $179.99 price.
Now most hit sellouts online at one time or another but since most of us have become computer masters I doubt thats a real gauge of popularity or success. In actual brick and mortar stores I wouldnt call the Elites a failure but I'd hardly call them a success. They did ok overall but didn't do well at the $250 price tag. They started evaporating once prices dropped.

true to all of your statement...but lets talk nike as a whole...not even nike as a whole. let talk nike basketball...what percentage of the shoes do well? you can get almost every color of the kobe (excluding limited) same with lebron's. when we say the words "do well" we can only speak of the limited pairs of any line. they are the only ones to "do well" anything else can almost be had below retail for us saavy NTers etc

so is it fair to say..."lets see if the lebron X does better at the 290+tax pricepoint than it would at the 180+tax mark? when in actuality a better market observation would be about colorway and its relation to limited quantities

because honestly there will be regular lebron Xs at 180 that will sit and there will also be lebron Xs at 290+tax that sit. and there will be some of both that fly off the shelves and are resold for 400+.

but because they dont all sell out at 290+tax, people will say "see! i knew the X+ would flop" when in actuality it did the exact same thing the last 2 lebron lines did.

which is sell out of the hot limited colorways and be had for a lower price for the other decent/not limited colorways

 

[Sixharding!]

The good analogies I reference on this thread involve sports cars vs. shoes (like PleaseSayTheBaby23's post two pages ago). I still believe that's a great comparison, in terms of the relation between high-priced equipment versus its intended use. There's nothing flawed about that; an analogy is the comparison of two otherwise dissimilar things.
I'm not sure how taking high-priced vehicles to construction sites relates to this at all. But feel free to keep defending the arguments of an irrational Adidas troll only here to bring the hate.

Huh? Basketball shoes that you're going to play basketball in are going to get dogged and beat up, you know that when you buy it. You don't buy a luxury sports car with the mind frame you're going to drive that car into the ground. Not sure how you're not understanding this. Yes an analogy is the comparison of two otherwise dissimilar things, but not their function in relation to their intended purpose. Not sure who the irrational Adidas troll is but the guy who made a point, simply made a logical point...

Casually Wearing $290 shoe = Cruising in Luxury vehicle (THE ANALOGY MAKES SENSE)

Hooping in a $290 shoe (What the shoe with the fancy tech was made for) = Construction work in a Benz priced Ford F-150 (THE ANALOGY LOSSES ITS LUSTER BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT THE SHOE IS ACTUALLY BEING BOUGHT TO DO, GET BEAT UP, UNLIKE A LUXURY CAR.)

I'm making plenty of sense to me and I think I'm being logical, got me feeling like I'm saying this wrong or something Maybe I'm just looking at it differently. Lets just agree to disagree I guess. All love.

 

[Magic33]

Here we go again with this dumb assed analogy, comparing sneakers with luxury automobiles.

Basketball shoes are meant to be played in, period.

You don't take a luxury auto, let's use your Benz, to a construction site and then hook it up to a flat bed.

The whole point of making a high priced sneaker is to show how durable and well made the shoe is, all while using quality materials. You pay for quality, not tech, something of Nike's that has never, ever, been proven to do anything any better than what any other company is producing. Nike has taken a plastic shoe, inserted a tweaked distance measuring device, slapped LeBron's name on it, then are charging three hundred dollars for it.

Far less tech..please, talk that crap to someone who doesn't know any better. People played ball way before Nike entered the scene. I don't buy that yeezy crap either.

I hoop. 

No, sneakers are meant to be worn.

This isn't 1980 where people only buy and wear sneakers for their intended purpose.

You only can wear Air Max to run in? You only can wear SB's to skateboard in? What are Chuck Taylor's meant for, since they were originally basketball sneakers?

 

[Sixharding!]

true to all of your statement...but lets talk nike as a whole...not even nike as a whole. let talk nike basketball...what percentage of the shoes do well? you can get almost every color of the kobe (excluding limited) same with lebron's. when we say the words "do well" we can only speak of the limited pairs of any line. they are the only ones to "do well" anything else can almost be had below retail for us saavy NTers etc
so is it fair to say..."lets see if the lebron X does better at the 290+tax pricepoint than it would at the 180+tax mark? when in actuality a better market observation would be about colorway and its relation to limited quantities
because honestly there will be regular lebron Xs at 180 that will sit and there will also be lebron Xs at 290+tax that sit. and there will be some of both that fly off the shelves and are resold for 400+.
but because they dont all sell out at 290+tax, people will say "see! i knew the X+ would flop" when in actuality it did the exact same thing the last 2 lebron lines did.
which is sell out of the hot limited colorways and be had for a lower price for the other decent/not limited colorways

You're speaking more to the popularity of the shoe in relation to the design. I'm merely speaking to the likelihood of purchase at those price points. If they dont sell at $250 or $290 then they were a flop at that particular price point but if they sell once they go on sale than the shoe design was still a success just over priced initially. Kobe Elites also sat and collected dust at the $200 price point but people still liked the design of the shoe so once it went down to $150 people started buying it, the price was a flop not the shoe.

 

[Magic33]

i don't see what the big deal is when it comes to the price of the X+.  at least u can ball in em and they do have some kind of technology.  my Prada America Cup high tops cost $435 and they don't do ****, but boy are they sexy though 

Maybe about five or six years ago

 

[air jsarg]

i don't see what the big deal is when it comes to the price of the X+.  at least u can ball in em and they do have some kind of technology.  my Prada America Cup high tops cost $435 and they don't do ****, but boy are they sexy though 

i'm sorry, did you say $435, you meant $43.50, its cool I've forgotten decimals and numbers too.

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

i'm sorry, that was a bit harsh

 

[kickinitsmooth]

i don't see what the big deal is when it comes to the price of the X+.  at least u can ball in em and they do have some kind of technology.  my Prada America Cup high tops cost $435 and they don't do ****, but boy are they sexy though 

Sorry we all keep raggin on you dude, but it these are sexy u must b dating Juwana Mann... Just cuz we like the way something looks doesnt mean we arent going to complain when it gets more expensive.

 

[sk33termcg33]

You dropped $435 on those?! Damn son. Those are ugly as fugg. If they didn't say Prada would you have still copped? Probably not...

 

[Lunden]

^^^ As I understand your point about the cars, I have to disagree and say that the comparison isn't a fair one. Like someone said earlier, LeBron isn't playing in what we are buying technically speaking. So there is a flaw from the beginning. Also when it comes to options, most people IMO, want to purchase and play in what they see then endorser playing in. Someone made the comment about parents not wanting to pay higher prices for Jordan shoes back in the day, but didn't want to buy the "economical" Jumpmans either because they weren't "Jordans" is because MJ wasn't putting up Tripple Doubles in a Jumpman shoe. I understand technology and have heard the arguement about it, but haven't heard how useful it's going to be. Playing ball in the mid 90's-early 2000's, I watched a teammate make effective lay ups all year, that summer the bought the funny looking shoes that made you walk on your toes all day and by the start of the school year he was jumping for lay ups and waiting to come down, finger rolling the ball in the hoop during pregame warm ups with his elbow close(if not) above the rim. My point is that most of us IMO will purchase this shoe initially for casual purposes and then transition them into a recreational replacement for our current hooping shoes. Others may use them from a performance measure from the door, but even still we are not professional athletes and I think you can achieve what you are trying to obtain without the numbers on a highlight film. Work hard on your performance, go to the gym and DUNK on some dude and you do it without the "+" are you any less prepared of an athlete? Just my two cents. No disrespect intended by the fellow that post above me.

Ok so the pairs LeBron wears on the court might have little differences as far as support which is understandable he is a professional athlete

goin back to the car analogy the same Benzs, Ferraris, Lamborghinis, BMW driven in the FIA GT1 World Championship by professionals are not the same ones we buy at the dealerships even tho the model and base is the same

and to answer that 2nd part

thats where parenting comes into play. My parents taught me at a young age son if you want those Jordan 11s you gonna have to work for them or learn to save your birthday & christmas money which later on in life goes back to the car thing.......Do we all want to drive a nice sports car? Yeah we would love to! Some of us will go in debt tryin to stunt but others will simply say "hey im fine with my Honda but if the money comes I will get that Benz"

Majority of the urban community has there priorities messed up TRYING TO GET WHAT THEY DONT NEED AND KEEP UP WITH JONES'S and thats where the problem and all this commotion starts

and that little word summed it all up..........WANT.............NOT NEED!

 

[sk33termcg33]

The car comparison is valid on basis of wants and needs. You don't need an ultra luxurious car, a Ford Escort would do the job just the same. Same with basketball shoes, you don't need top-of-the-line kicks to get the job done. You could wear a pair of running shoes and still hoop if really wanted. But the fact that there are options give people the chance to buy what they can afford. Some buy a pick-up truck and never go to a construction site. And my neighbor actually does use his Mercedes to tow things, which beats the hell outta me haha.

And honestly, some say what's so special about the LeBron's over some type of regular Hyperfuse's? Well brand prestige carries a lot of weight. Some new Hyundais probably are a little less than or on par with some luxury cars, but why do people want the luxury vehicles? Because of the weight the name of the brand carries, garnering a higher price tag for prestige and image. That is why a LeBron pair of sneakers can cost more than a regular pair of Hyperfuse's, because of what's behind the shoe, not just in it.

 

[mez 0ne]

So the Gold Medal's will only release with the Nike+? If so, count me all the way out. I refuse to drop $290 on these.

Same way I feel....I'll wait for better colorways and just pick and choose.

 

[Lunden]

The car comparison is valid on basis of wants and needs. You don't need an ultra luxurious car, a Ford Escort would do the job just the same. Same with basketball shoes, you don't need top-of-the-line kicks to get the job done. You could wear a pair of running shoes and still hoop if really wanted. But the fact that there are options give people the chance to buy what they can afford. Some buy a pick-up truck and never go to a construction site. And my neighbor actually does use his Mercedes to tow things, which beats the hell outta me haha.
And honestly, some say what's so special about the LeBron's over some type of regular Hyperfuse's? Well brand prestige carries a lot of weight. Some new Hyundais probably are a little less than or on par with some luxury cars, but why do people want the luxury vehicles? Because of the weight the name of the brand carries, garnering a higher price tag for prestige and image. That is why a LeBron pair of sneakers can cost more than a regular pair of Hyperfuse's, because of what's behind the shoe, not just in it.

couldnt have said it better myself

 

[zero23]

Did none of y'all fools complaining about price read my previous post? Its not the shoe that is warranting the price hike from $180 to $290. Its all the Nike+ tech that's making it $100 over retail. Charging cable, wireless adapter, and 2 sensors are retail value $100. Add in the pressure sensor and the $290 price point makes sense. It doesn't make it right, but the price hike is justified because of the pieces of tech going into the packages.
If Nike really cared they should sell the + enabled shoes separately and give us the option to buy the tech on our own. I'm sure if we buy one set, it should last is for all our pairs for at least a year. Sell the Lebron X+ for $200 or $249 PR whatever so we're not stuck with 3-4 extra sets of sensors. Kinda like how they have the Hyperdunk iD setup.

Well, I read your post, and I understand your point. My point is that Apple.. I mean Nike is a multi billion dollar company and I think that they could have spent a little more money on the "R&D" for the technology to make it more interchangeable within the silhouette so that you aren't stacking up multiple sensors and "chips" in the insole of shoes that you are using with the same App(like you said with the Hyperdunks). That's all I'm saying my friend. But I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

Um, all of the tech except the sensor embedded into the shoe is interchangeable. That can't be interchangeable. Think about it. It's a semi-delicate pressure sensor. Some momo kid pulls it up and switches it into his shoes all day, it's bound to be damaged. I'm pretty sure if you put it inside an insole, it won't be as accurate as having it on the bed of the shoe anyway. Also, if it was on an interchangeable insole, how would the sensor fit without intruding with your foot? Nike+ has always been at the bed of the shoe under the insole. Just saying Nike R&D should have made something I want doesn't make it right. It might have been impossible to make without making the price $400 or something. You never know.

Insoles also wear down, so I'm sure you'd be complaining about the Nike + sensor not lasting a long time and having to spend an extra $50 for a new set of insoles. There's also the fact that some people use custom orthotics, so the sensor on the bed of the shoe allows them to use the tech with their custom orthotics. You obviously didn't think this one through. 

What I was saying with the Hyperdunk is that we shouldn't be forced to buy the sensor/charging cable/wireless adapter over and over again. They have a Nike iD option that is less $$ for just the + enabled shoe with the pressure sensor and none of the cables/adapters. The pressure sensor in the shoe is the only way it will work, so it has to be there. I'm OK with paying more for having an additional piece of tech in my shoe. $200, $220, $250, whatever it might be. I just shouldn't have to pay for extra charging cables and extra wireless adapters for $290. Hopefully the later + kits will sell just the shoe with the pressure sensor. 

Trust me, I hate the price, I just understand where they're coming from with it.