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Glad we got a bye week. Place looking like the twilight zone
:::[Official] San Francisco 49ers 2024 Season Thread [1-1 @Rams 9/22 1:25PST]:::
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Kyle Shanahan strikes me as an arrogant coach who wants it to be about him that's why he calls the plays he does. I think he wants to take the credit most of the time.
Just my take on him
Just my take on him
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I said this about Kyle back in April when all the Mac Jones talk was going on and him having to have a qb who fits his system.
He can afford to be stubborn and have that my way or the highway mindset. He’s in that NFL coaches boys club fraternity largely in part to his pops track record.
If at some point the 49ers were to fire him, he’ll likely have no problem landing a job elsewhere. A coach who isn’t as well connected doesn’t have the luxury of being overly stubborn and thing having to be perfectly tailor made to his system or bust. He’s still a decent coach. But he has more leeway to be stubborn.
He can afford to be stubborn and have that my way or the highway mindset. He’s in that NFL coaches boys club fraternity largely in part to his pops track record.
If at some point the 49ers were to fire him, he’ll likely have no problem landing a job elsewhere. A coach who isn’t as well connected doesn’t have the luxury of being overly stubborn and thing having to be perfectly tailor made to his system or bust. He’s still a decent coach. But he has more leeway to be stubborn.
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Y’all see this about Jon Gruden?!
they just interrupted the colts game to announce he got canned
they just interrupted the colts game to announce he got canned
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Sudfield the best kept secret.
My boy about to flourish under Kyles system.
#TeamSudfield
My boy about to flourish under Kyles system.
#TeamSudfield
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There’s been plenty of those interactions over the years within NFL circles. Someone had it in for Gruden and got him. Who’s next?
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apparently there were more emails…yikes
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Lol he was calling people f****s and n*****s in his emails and he and a hooters cofounder were swapping nudes of cheerleaders and hooters girls without their consent on the work computer
and allegedly he’s trying to get ahead of an even worse story lol what a dumb ***
and allegedly he’s trying to get ahead of an even worse story lol what a dumb ***
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Where you read that!?
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Meanwhile deforest Buckner looking mighty tasty out there 
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I do believe that Shanny is up for the challenge of evolving his playcalling for the modern mobile QB, but didn’t have the time he liked to put together something he was comfortable with. What I saw yesterday looked like he dusted off the RGIII rookie year playbook.
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yooo link to this?
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Kyle has at least the 2022 season to make right on drafting Trey. I would give him through 2023, but things can change quickly.
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it’s funny you mentioned Hooters girls. I remember a buddy of mine seeing Gruden straight wasted at the Hooters that used to be at the Santa Monica Promenade. Apparently he was a regular there lol.
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So there might be some truth to this latest news?
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When the vaunted N.F.L. coach Jon Gruden was confronted with a racist email he had sent in 2011 to insult the head of the players’ union, he said he went too far but didn’t have “a blade of racism” in him.
But league officials as part of a separate workplace misconduct investigation that did not directly involve him have found that Gruden, now the coach of the Las Vegas Raiders, casually and frequently unleashed misogynistic and homophobic language over several years to denigrate people around the game and to mock some of the league’s momentous changes.
He denounced the emergence of women as referees, the drafting of a gay player and the tolerance of players protesting during the playing of the national anthem, according to emails reviewed by The New York Times.
Gruden’s messages were sent to Bruce Allen, the former president of the Washington Football Team, and others, while he was working for ESPN as a color analyst during “Monday Night Football,” the sports network’s weekly prime-time telecast of N.F.L. games. In the emails, Gruden called the league’s commissioner, Roger Goodell, a “******” and a “clueless anti football *****” and said that Goodell should not have pressured Jeff Fisher, then the coach of the Rams, to draft “queers,” a reference to Michael Sam, a gay player chosen by the team in 2014.
In numerous emails during a seven-year period ending in early 2018, Gruden criticized Goodell and the league for trying to reduce concussions and said that Eric Reid, a player who had demonstrated during the playing of the national anthem, should be fired. In several instances, Gruden used a homophobic slur to refer to Goodell and offensive language to describe some N.F.L. owners, coaches and journalists who cover the league.
Gruden, Allen, the N.F.L., and the Raiders did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
Although not with a team at the time, Gruden was still influential in the league and highly coveted as a coach. He had won a Super Bowl with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers following the 2002 season. And in 2018, he was hired for his second stint as the head coach of the Raiders franchise, which includes defensive lineman Carl Nassib, the first active N.F.L. player to publicly declare that he is gay.
The league said last week that it shared emails with the Raiders in which Gruden made derogatory comments.
Gruden told ESPN on Sunday that the league was reviewing emails in which he criticized Goodell, and explained that he had been upset about team owners’ lockout of the players in 2011, when some of the emails were written. Gruden said in that interview that had used an expletive to refer to Goodell and that he did so because he disapproved of Goodell’s emphasis on safety, which he believed was scaring parents into steering their sons away from football.
But Gruden’s behavior was not limited to 2011. Gruden exchanged emails with Allen and other men that included photos of women wearing only bikini bottoms, including one photo of two Washington team cheerleaders.
Gruden greeted defensive lineman Carl Nassib, who publicly announced he is gay in June.Ethan Miller/Getty Images Gruden also criticized President Obama during his re-election campaign in 2012, as well as then-vice president Joe Biden, whom Gruden called a “nervous clueless *****.” He used similar words to describe Goodell and DeMaurice Smith, the executive director of the N.F.L. Players Association.
The league is already investigating Gruden as a result of another email he wrote to Allen in 2011 in which he used racist terms to describe Smith, who is Black.
In that email, Gruden, who is white and was working for ESPN at the time, criticized Smith’s intelligence and used a racist trope to describe his face. The correspondence was first reported by The Wall Street Journal and confirmed by The New York Times.
Gruden's emails to Allen, who was fired by the Washington Football Team at the end of 2019, were reviewed as part of an N.F.L. investigation of workplace misconduct within the franchise that ended this summer. Goodell instructed league executives to look at more than 650,000 emails during the past few months, including those in which Gruden made offensive remarks. Last week, Goodell received a summary of their findings and the league sent the Raiders some of the emails written by Gruden.
In the exchanges, Gruden used his personal email account while Allen wrote from his team account. In some cases, Allen initiated the conversations and Gruden chimed in, while in other cases, they trade vulgar comments several times.
Some of the emails between Gruden and Allen also included businessmen friends, Ed Droste, the co-founder of Hooters; Jim McVay, an executive who has run the Outback Bowl, annually held in Tampa, Fla.; and Nick Reader, the founder of PDQ Restaurants, a Tampa-based fried chicken franchise. The exchanges begin as early as 2010 while Gruden was an analyst for “Monday Night Football.” In 2018, he signed a 10-year, $100 million contract to coach the Raiders.
Bruce Allen was fired by the Washington Football Team at the end of 2019.Andrew Harnik/Associated Press Droste, McVay, and Reader did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
Gruden and Allen are longtime friends and colleagues. Allen was an senior executive with the Raiders from 1995 to 2003, when he worked with Gruden, who was head coach of the team from 1998 to 2001. Gruden became head coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 2002 and beat the Raiders in the Super Bowl that season. Allen became the general manager there in 2004. Allen and Gruden both left the Buccaneers after the 2008 season. While Gruden moved on to a broadcast role with ESPN, Allen became the general manager in Washington in 2010 and later the team’s president.
Taken together, the emails provide an unvarnished look into the clubby culture of one N.F.L. circle of peers, where white male decision makers felt comfortable sharing pornographic images, deriding the league policies, and jocularly sharing homophobic language.
Allen is the son of legendary N.F.L. coach George Allen, and Gruden — whose father coached at Notre Dame and whose brother, Jay, was head coach in Washington from 2014 to 2019 — are part of an exclusive network that cycles between N.F.L. teams, networks and companies affiliated with the league.
Their banter flies in the face of the league’s public denouncements of racism and sexism and its promises to be more inclusive amid criticism for not listening to the concerns of Black players, who make up about 70 percent of rosters. The N.F.L. has in the past struggled to discipline personnel who have committed acts of domestic violence and been condemned for failing to adequately address harassment of women, including N.F.L. cheerleaders.
In June, the N.F.L. congratulated Nassib after he became the first active N.F.L. player to publicly declare that he is gay. Goodell said he was “proud of Carl for courageously sharing his truth today. Representation matters.”
Privately, Allen and Gruden appeared to have few boundaries in expressing homophobic and transphobic language. In one email from 2015 that includes Droste, McVay and others, Gruden crudely asked Allen to tell Bryan Glazer, whose family owns the Tampa Bay Buccaneers where Gruden coached until 2008, to perform oral sex on him. Allen said Glazer would “take you up on that offer.”
Allen and Gruden also mocked Caitlyn Jenner, who received an award from ESPN in 2015 after she transitioned.
In an email from 2015, Allen and Gruden criticized a congressional bill that aimed to force the Washington franchise to change its name, which some Native Americans and others have denounced as a slur. Again using a vulgar term, Gruden took aim at Goodell and his staff even though the commissioner had initially defended the team’s right to keep the name.
In 2017, Droste shared with the group a sexist meme of a female referee to which Gruden replied, “Nice job roger.”
That same year, Gruden was sent a link to an article about N.F.L. players calling on Goodell to support their efforts promoting racial equality and criminal justice reform. Gruden had advice for Goodell:
“He needs to hide in his concussion protocol tent,” he wrote.
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When the vaunted N.F.L. coach Jon Gruden was confronted with a racist email he had sent in 2011 to insult the head of the players’ union, he said he went too far but didn’t have “a blade of racism” in him.
But league officials as part of a separate workplace misconduct investigation that did not directly involve him have found that Gruden, now the coach of the Las Vegas Raiders, casually and frequently unleashed misogynistic and homophobic language over several years to denigrate people around the game and to mock some of the league’s momentous changes.
He denounced the emergence of women as referees, the drafting of a gay player and the tolerance of players protesting during the playing of the national anthem, according to emails reviewed by The New York Times.
Gruden’s messages were sent to Bruce Allen, the former president of the Washington Football Team, and others, while he was working for ESPN as a color analyst during “Monday Night Football,” the sports network’s weekly prime-time telecast of N.F.L. games. In the emails, Gruden called the league’s commissioner, Roger Goodell, a “******” and a “clueless anti football *****” and said that Goodell should not have pressured Jeff Fisher, then the coach of the Rams, to draft “queers,” a reference to Michael Sam, a gay player chosen by the team in 2014.
In numerous emails during a seven-year period ending in early 2018, Gruden criticized Goodell and the league for trying to reduce concussions and said that Eric Reid, a player who had demonstrated during the playing of the national anthem, should be fired. In several instances, Gruden used a homophobic slur to refer to Goodell and offensive language to describe some N.F.L. owners, coaches and journalists who cover the league.
Gruden, Allen, the N.F.L., and the Raiders did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
Although not with a team at the time, Gruden was still influential in the league and highly coveted as a coach. He had won a Super Bowl with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers following the 2002 season. And in 2018, he was hired for his second stint as the head coach of the Raiders franchise, which includes defensive lineman Carl Nassib, the first active N.F.L. player to publicly declare that he is gay.
The league said last week that it shared emails with the Raiders in which Gruden made derogatory comments.
Gruden told ESPN on Sunday that the league was reviewing emails in which he criticized Goodell, and explained that he had been upset about team owners’ lockout of the players in 2011, when some of the emails were written. Gruden said in that interview that had used an expletive to refer to Goodell and that he did so because he disapproved of Goodell’s emphasis on safety, which he believed was scaring parents into steering their sons away from football.
But Gruden’s behavior was not limited to 2011. Gruden exchanged emails with Allen and other men that included photos of women wearing only bikini bottoms, including one photo of two Washington team cheerleaders.
Gruden greeted defensive lineman Carl Nassib, who publicly announced he is gay in June.Ethan Miller/Getty Images Gruden also criticized President Obama during his re-election campaign in 2012, as well as then-vice president Joe Biden, whom Gruden called a “nervous clueless *****.” He used similar words to describe Goodell and DeMaurice Smith, the executive director of the N.F.L. Players Association.
The league is already investigating Gruden as a result of another email he wrote to Allen in 2011 in which he used racist terms to describe Smith, who is Black.
In that email, Gruden, who is white and was working for ESPN at the time, criticized Smith’s intelligence and used a racist trope to describe his face. The correspondence was first reported by The Wall Street Journal and confirmed by The New York Times.
Gruden's emails to Allen, who was fired by the Washington Football Team at the end of 2019, were reviewed as part of an N.F.L. investigation of workplace misconduct within the franchise that ended this summer. Goodell instructed league executives to look at more than 650,000 emails during the past few months, including those in which Gruden made offensive remarks. Last week, Goodell received a summary of their findings and the league sent the Raiders some of the emails written by Gruden.
In the exchanges, Gruden used his personal email account while Allen wrote from his team account. In some cases, Allen initiated the conversations and Gruden chimed in, while in other cases, they trade vulgar comments several times.
Some of the emails between Gruden and Allen also included businessmen friends, Ed Droste, the co-founder of Hooters; Jim McVay, an executive who has run the Outback Bowl, annually held in Tampa, Fla.; and Nick Reader, the founder of PDQ Restaurants, a Tampa-based fried chicken franchise. The exchanges begin as early as 2010 while Gruden was an analyst for “Monday Night Football.” In 2018, he signed a 10-year, $100 million contract to coach the Raiders.
Bruce Allen was fired by the Washington Football Team at the end of 2019.Andrew Harnik/Associated Press Droste, McVay, and Reader did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
Gruden and Allen are longtime friends and colleagues. Allen was an senior executive with the Raiders from 1995 to 2003, when he worked with Gruden, who was head coach of the team from 1998 to 2001. Gruden became head coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 2002 and beat the Raiders in the Super Bowl that season. Allen became the general manager there in 2004. Allen and Gruden both left the Buccaneers after the 2008 season. While Gruden moved on to a broadcast role with ESPN, Allen became the general manager in Washington in 2010 and later the team’s president.
Taken together, the emails provide an unvarnished look into the clubby culture of one N.F.L. circle of peers, where white male decision makers felt comfortable sharing pornographic images, deriding the league policies, and jocularly sharing homophobic language.
Allen is the son of legendary N.F.L. coach George Allen, and Gruden — whose father coached at Notre Dame and whose brother, Jay, was head coach in Washington from 2014 to 2019 — are part of an exclusive network that cycles between N.F.L. teams, networks and companies affiliated with the league.
Their banter flies in the face of the league’s public denouncements of racism and sexism and its promises to be more inclusive amid criticism for not listening to the concerns of Black players, who make up about 70 percent of rosters. The N.F.L. has in the past struggled to discipline personnel who have committed acts of domestic violence and been condemned for failing to adequately address harassment of women, including N.F.L. cheerleaders.
In June, the N.F.L. congratulated Nassib after he became the first active N.F.L. player to publicly declare that he is gay. Goodell said he was “proud of Carl for courageously sharing his truth today. Representation matters.”
Privately, Allen and Gruden appeared to have few boundaries in expressing homophobic and transphobic language. In one email from 2015 that includes Droste, McVay and others, Gruden crudely asked Allen to tell Bryan Glazer, whose family owns the Tampa Bay Buccaneers where Gruden coached until 2008, to perform oral sex on him. Allen said Glazer would “take you up on that offer.”
Allen and Gruden also mocked Caitlyn Jenner, who received an award from ESPN in 2015 after she transitioned.
In an email from 2015, Allen and Gruden criticized a congressional bill that aimed to force the Washington franchise to change its name, which some Native Americans and others have denounced as a slur. Again using a vulgar term, Gruden took aim at Goodell and his staff even though the commissioner had initially defended the team’s right to keep the name.
In 2017, Droste shared with the group a sexist meme of a female referee to which Gruden replied, “Nice job roger.”
That same year, Gruden was sent a link to an article about N.F.L. players calling on Goodell to support their efforts promoting racial equality and criminal justice reform. Gruden had advice for Goodell:
“He needs to hide in his concussion protocol tent,” he wrote.
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Look on the bright side. You could be a Raiders fan and it would be way worse lmaoooooo
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Of all the people to send those kinds of emails to…of course it was shared with the WFT
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You can say what you want about Kyle's play calling but Trey didn't help himself at all by not sliding or avoiding unnecessary contact. He needs to learn how to do both or else he's going to continue to get hurt.
To me Kyle is treating Trey like the Ravens did Lamar in his first year. Limit his throws as much as possible and allow the defense and running game to win them games. The only difference is he didn't utilize the running game at all this game which was a headscratcher. They should have been running more RPOs but Kyle did say he wasn't going to change the playbook that much so it makes sense.
I know everyone was complaining about the holding calls but there were a few that were out of necessity to protect Trey. Going from blocking for a guy like Jimmy who sits in the pocket and has a quick release to a guy like Trey who moves out of the pocket to extend plays isn't easy for these guys to learn that quickly. They'll have to get used to his style of play and Trey will have to learn to better navigate the pocket.
Trey definitely has the arm talent but he looked lost in the pocket at times and was very inaccurate. He will definitely have some flashy plays but overall I don't think he's ready yet. Him sitting behind Jimmy would probably be ideal right now while he learns and fixes some of the things that I'm sure they are working on with him in practice. I know everyone wants to win now but Trey is a project and in order for them to unlock his potential it's going to take some time. The kid is only 21 we got some time.
I do want to see Kyle continue to use and get more creative with Trey in red zone packages if Jimmy is the QB because he brings so much value with his legs. Even to see them both in the game at the same time would be cool
To me Kyle is treating Trey like the Ravens did Lamar in his first year. Limit his throws as much as possible and allow the defense and running game to win them games. The only difference is he didn't utilize the running game at all this game which was a headscratcher. They should have been running more RPOs but Kyle did say he wasn't going to change the playbook that much so it makes sense.
I know everyone was complaining about the holding calls but there were a few that were out of necessity to protect Trey. Going from blocking for a guy like Jimmy who sits in the pocket and has a quick release to a guy like Trey who moves out of the pocket to extend plays isn't easy for these guys to learn that quickly. They'll have to get used to his style of play and Trey will have to learn to better navigate the pocket.
Trey definitely has the arm talent but he looked lost in the pocket at times and was very inaccurate. He will definitely have some flashy plays but overall I don't think he's ready yet. Him sitting behind Jimmy would probably be ideal right now while he learns and fixes some of the things that I'm sure they are working on with him in practice. I know everyone wants to win now but Trey is a project and in order for them to unlock his potential it's going to take some time. The kid is only 21 we got some time.
I do want to see Kyle continue to use and get more creative with Trey in red zone packages if Jimmy is the QB because he brings so much value with his legs. Even to see them both in the game at the same time would be cool
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Mostert got his knee surgery today idk if we see him on field again as a 9er
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Man i hope we bring him back and I hope he wants to come back. I dont see him thriving in another system. Thats speed is wild. Hope we can sign him for relatively cheap.
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We should just trade for him to comeback.Meanwhile deforest Buckner looking mighty tasty out there
