OFFICIAL: ZOOM KOBE V THREAD : UPDATE ON PG.1 RELEASE DATES

Vault will be giving away some free LAKERS ticks too.
hours before the game starts.

yeah i'm on the lookout to snag a pair of mine too.
 
Vault will be giving away some free LAKERS ticks too.
hours before the game starts.

yeah i'm on the lookout to snag a pair of mine too.
 
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thats my name on the other site
 
Originally Posted by NotoriousMJ23

^^ man shut up.!

  
No, Kobe Bryant didn't make lows popular again, period. People have been wearing lows all the time, as the pics have proven. Steve Nash deserves more credit than anyone if that is the case.
 
^fool wont stop yapping.

yo kiid, go create ur own thread bout Steve Nash or whoever u feel like rocking some low kicks.

this is a KOBE thread so stop making points here.

none of us care of what u think.
where talking bout Kobe and his KB5 kicks aight so get a life.
 
^fool wont stop yapping.

yo kiid, go create ur own thread bout Steve Nash or whoever u feel like rocking some low kicks.

this is a KOBE thread so stop making points here.

none of us care of what u think.
where talking bout Kobe and his KB5 kicks aight so get a life.
 
Originally Posted by heelntoe wit my nyks

...but where's the outcry from players and trainers about how bad Kobe's are?

I understand the point about not all players choosing the Kobe on their own but being paid to wear a shoe doesn't specifically pertain to Kobes. Pretty much every mediocre-elite player has a set guideline of what a company wants them to wear. Being paid to wear a shoe doesn't mean the a shoe can't perform well. It doesn't mean the players couldn't realize that it's a good shoe. It also doesn't mean all players being paid are willing to put there well being in jeopardy for some money.

General consumers aren't paid to wear anything and we all know the Hyperize is crap. The Kobe line receives praise because they are put to the test (as all basketball shoes).

Sure. The Kobe line isn't for everyone but no single shoe is. Winning over a majority has always been the name of the game.

It's not debatable that Kobe is disliked the most by the general public. Yes, Nike Marketing is genius but you can only trick a consumer so much. There's a point where the product has to speak for itself. The Kobe IV and V has had tremendous success. For a non-retro that can only be interrupted one way....a well built shoe.
I guess you can say this if you look at sales by region. But again, I see nobody wearing this shoe where I am. I played in several different tourney's here in the city, and nobody wore them. Played in the ProAm, and nobody wore them.

So hey, maybe I am simpy in the wrong region...but Kobe did not make lows more popular. Many wear lows here, and they are not Kobe Bryant Nike shoes.

  
 
Originally Posted by Nat Turner

Originally Posted by NotoriousMJ23

^^ man shut up.!

  
No, Kobe Bryant didn't make lows popular again, period. People have been wearing lows all the time, as the pics have proven. Steve Nash deserves more credit than anyone if that is the case.
man you talk too much.
I swear, I never noticed Nash wearing lows until right after the IV.
The zoom mvp wasnt low.. maybe a mid. 
And nobody was talking about how Nash changed the game or anything like that.
hush your face

  
 
But Bryant is by far the biggest current star to take the plunge into the low-cut world.

"When you have the absolute best player in the world saying lows are safe, lows are actually helping me become a better player, that's a wrap," said Steve Mulholland, founder and publisher of Sole Collector, one of the leading consumer sneaker magazines. "The rules as we used to know are about to change."
 
Nat Turner... you and your life is a joke.. I can't believe how blind you are.

If you hate Kobe or envy his greatness.. just say that

But dont come to the Kobe thread and not expect for people to get at your neck.


I HOPE THIS SHUTS YOU MOUTH... FOREVER!!


SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- They are the unwritten but widely accepted bylaws of sports footwear. Here, we hold these truths to be self-evident:


Golf is to be played in spikes.


Ice hockey is to be played on skates.


Baseball and football are to be played in cleats.


And basketball? Basketball is to be played in a pair of high-tops.


So Kobe Bryant understands the backlash. He knows there will be doctors, trainers, coaches, fans and even some fellow NBA stars who will look at his latest signature shoe from Nike, see that it's -- gasp -- a low-top and believe the Los Angeles Lakers guard has completely lost his mind.


But he asked for this. Eighteen months ago, when Bryant met with a Nike design team and began brainstorming ideas for the Kobe IV, his focus wasn't on following the precedent but rather on setting his own. An avid soccer buff, Bryant marveled at the stress soccer players put on their ankles while wearing a low-cut shoe and figured if they felt could they do that on the pitch, he could bring it on the hardwood. So that day in a Nike boardroom, he gave Eric Avar, Nike's performance footwear creative director, one specific instruction: Create the lowest, lightest basketball shoe ever.


Avar loved the idea, but at the same time, he knew the ramifications of the words coming out of the mouth of the reigning NBA MVP.


"I pressed him on it," Avar said. "I was like, 'A real low? Like a soccer shoe?' And Kobe said, 'Yes. A true, genuine low-top.'



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Bryant is expected to wear the new Kobe IV for the first time in a game on Dec. 19 against Miami.
"It was pretty remarkable. Here was the greatest basketball player in the world telling me that he didn't need all this stuff around his ankle. And he wanted to prove that to everyone from Nike to fellow NBA players to the consumer."


The end result is a shoe that weighs just 11.6 ounces, some 20 percent lighter than the average Nike basketball shoe. For a player such as Bryant, who Nike says runs an average of 2.5 miles per game, less weight on his feet means more energy on the court and the ability to move quicker, run faster and perhaps even jump higher. He is expected to debut the shoes Dec. 19 against Miami.


That night, Bryant won't be the first current NBA player to wear a low. Washington forward Gilbert Arenas is a longtime proponent of the low-top, and Nike made a lower-type cut for Phoenix guard Steve Nash last year. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar wore low-top shoes for much of his career, too. But Bryant is by far the biggest current star to take the plunge into the low-cut world. And he's doing so with his signature shoe. It's a gamble for him, a gamble for Nike and a gamble for the industry as a whole.


"When you have the absolute best player in the world saying lows are safe, lows are actually helping me become a better player, that's a wrap," said Steve Mulholland, founder and publisher of Sole Collector, one of the leading consumer sneaker magazines. "The rules as we used to know are about to change."


But not everyone believes this is a good thing. In choosing a low, Bryant will be swimming upstream against the long-held belief that a high-top protects the ankle and keeps it from rolling by providing extra support. Although a 1993 University of Oklahoma study that appeared in the American Journal of Sports Medicine found no relationship between shoe height and ankle injury, five years later a study in the Journal of Sport Sciences found that increased ankle support did reduce the likelihood of a sprained ankle.



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Bryant says he isn't worried about rolling an ankle. "If you come down on somebody's foot," he said, "you're going to roll your ankle and there's not a lot you can do about it."
Dr. Michael Lowe, who has worked as the team podiatrist for both the Utah Jazz and the University of Utah for more than two decades and is a past president of the American Academy of Podiatric Sports Medicine, opposes the trend toward lower, lighter and faster. Lowe cites the NBA's injury statistics, which reveal that ankle injuries accounted for 13 percent of the games players missed in 2007-08 -- that's double any other part of the body. Lowe also added that the average number of games missed for an ankle sprain is increasing, up to an average of eight games per sprain last season.


"Part of it comes from accident, but part of it is how we use our shoes," Lowe said. "The pendulum swings back and forth, and right now we want to be lighter and softer. But that often means less stability and thus more ankle injuries.


"If I see a player on one of my teams wearing a low, we'll talk about it. And I'll tell him that, in my opinion, this is putting you at a higher risk and there's really no reason for it. But most players don't want to have that talk."


Bryant, Avar and everyone else behind the Kobe IV are out to prove that light, low and fast don't necessarily come at the expense of stability. Avar says the Kobe IV is outfitted with Nike's Flywire, a performance architecture that uses Vectran, a thin and strong nylon fiber, to support the foot in the upper part of the shoe. The shoe also features LunarLite foam in the forefoot, a cushioning substance that was created in concert with NASA engineers and is used in the seats of space shuttles. Yes, this is rocket science.


There is also a Zoom unit in the heel, a molded area in the rear of the shoe to help keep the foot locked down to the shoe's platform, and a foam collar ring that grips the foot below the ankle to provide additional stability.


Bryant already has been wearing the Kobe IV in practice and is so impressed by the results that he asked Nike to create a hybrid between the IV and the Hyperdunk, the shoe he has been wearing since April, to bridge the gap until the premiere of the Kobe IV in next week's game against the Heat.



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The shoe is expected to hit U.S. stores in February, with a $120 price tag.
"I've been playing basketball all my life and I've worn high-tops for a lot of those games, and I've rolled my ankle plenty wearing high-tops," said Bryant, who has his ankles taped before every game. "If you come down on somebody's foot, you're going to roll your ankle and there's not a lot you can do about it. But to have a low, I feel like it gives your foot more freedom to change direction."


Whether a low-top shoe will be accepted by consumers will depend on breaking down myths. In testing for the Kobe IV, Nike found that its wear testers broke down into three categories: those who would never wear a low, those who were skeptical but curious, and those who were on board the instant they were handed a pair.


"We had plenty of people who instantly said, 'Absolutely. Give me that rocket ship,'" Avar said. "And many of the others were overwhelmingly surprised. They told us they would wear them but only go 80 percent. But then once they put them on, they were amazed and went all out. It tweaked a lot of perceptions."


The shoe's release comes at a critical time for Nike, which has seen a steady decline in sales of basketball shoes since the 1990s. Matt Powell, a senior analyst for Sports One Source, a market research firm, said basketball shoes, once a $5 billion-a-year industry, have shrunk to about $2.5 billion a year. In August, Powell said, skateboarding shoes outsold basketball shoes. Instead of falling in line, kids today are more interested in a shoe nobody else has, Powell said. When selecting a new shoe, Powell said, the average consumer's decision is based 80 percent on fashion and 20 percent on the player endorsing the shoe. In addition, 85 percent of performance footwear is never worn for its intended purpose.


Thus he is skeptical as to what effect Bryant will have on changing the perception of the low top, and selling shoes as a whole.


"With the exception of any product with a Jumpman on it, the idea of the basketball shoe as a fashion commodity is no more," Powell said. "In today's world, the blockbuster shoe of yesteryear doesn't exist. LeBron is the last one who will get that big shoe deal. The cachet of wearing a player's shoe doesn't mean what it used to."


Nike is betting that Powell is wrong. The Kobe IV that consumers will be able to purchase at the store will be the exact same shoe style Bryant wears on the court. And though Avar acknowledges that a low-top might not be everyone's first choice, he said it is designed to work for everyone from big men to guards, from teenagers to the senior circuit. Nike hopes that, as a low-top, the shoe also will have greater crossover appeal outside of basketball.


The marketing blitz will begin later Thursday when Nike and Bryant formally introduce the shoe with a worldwide webcast. The shoe is scheduled to go on sale in China on Jan. 1 and in Europe and the United States in February. Nike said it is expected to retail for $120.


"It's pretty simple," Powell said. "If Kobe can come out and play successfully and not turn his ankle, people will start to believe you don't need a high-top. If he turns his ankle in the first quarter of the first game, that will be a different story altogether."


Wayne Drehs is a senior writer for ESPN.com. He can be reached at [email protected]
 
^jus ignore him man.

his yapping wont stop.

lets jus get back to the updates and talk about KOBE's LOW KICKS.
 
vanexellent wrote:
havent seen such trolling/e-arguments being run by Nat Turner since the infamous and multi-banned Coach Hubie/Jack Johnson/Justice God/etc. He also "worked with athletes".

Disagreeing with a concept is not trolling. But a moderator in disguise is not only trolling, but cowardly. That said, disagreeing with what are obviously non objective fans of Kobe Bryant, especially when facts are posted that Kobe Bryant did not make lows popular, then being called a "troll", is exactly what is wrong with this venue. However, I am very happy to state that many, especially those in real time, agree with what it is that I am saying. I understand that you guys here are trying to hype Kobe's shoes, but the vitriol that is spewed when someone disagrees, shows the intellectual capability of those respondent's.

That said, here's to you, 


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Enjoy!

  
 
Nash and Gilbert never got this much attention....


Here's your funeral Nat Turner

Lakers G Kobe Bryant Thursday hosted a live global webcast to introduce his new shoe, the Nike Zoom Kobe IV, and more than 1,000 members of the media tuned in, "from China and Japan and other parts of Asia, plus Europe," according to Broderick Turner of the L.A. TIMES. Bryant said that he "had a hand in the design of his fourth signature shoe with Nike." Turner notes Bryant plans to debut the shoe during the December 25 Celtics-Lakers game (L.A. TIMES, 12/12). ESPN.com's Wayne Drehs noted Bryant's shoe is a low-top, and it is a "gamble for him, a gamble for Nike and a gamble for the industry as a whole." Whether a low-top shoe will be "accepted by consumers will depend on breaking down myths," but the shoe's release comes at a "critical time for Nike, which has seen a steady decline in sales of basketball shoes" since the '90s. When Bryant in '07 met with a "Nike design team and began brainstorming ideas" for the shoe, his "focus wasn't on following the precedent but rather on setting his own." As an "avid soccer buff, Bryant marveled at the stress soccer players put on their ankles while wearing a low-cut shoe and figured if they could do that on the pitch, he could bring it on the hardwood." So Bryant told Nike to create the "lowest, lightest basketball shoe ever," and the "end result is a shoe that weighs just 11.6 ounces, some 20[%] lighter than the average Nike basketball shoe." While Wizards G Gilbert Arenas is a "longtime proponent of the low-top, and Nike made a lower-type cut shoe" last year for Suns G Steve Nash, Bryant is "by far the biggest star to take the plunge into the low-cut world." Drehs reported Bryant is expected to debut the shoe, which will retail for $120, during the December 19 Heat-Lakers game (ESPN.com, 12/11).

ashes to ashes.. dust to dust
 
Originally Posted by NotoriousMJ23

Nat Turner... you and your life is a joke.. I can't believe how blind you are.

If you hate Kobe or envy his greatness.. just say that

But dont come to the Kobe thread and not expect for people to get at your neck.


I HOPE THIS SHUTS YOU MOUTH... FOREVER!!
Uhhh, I never said that lows were bad, I said that Kobe didn't make playing in lows popular.

Go back through my posts, check carefully, READ then quote where I said that lows were bad to play in.

I bet you can't.
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Originally Posted by NotoriousMJ23

Nash and Gilbert never got this much attention....


Here's your funeral Nat Turner

Lakers G Kobe Bryant Thursday hosted a live global webcast to introduce his new shoe, the Nike Zoom Kobe IV, and more than 1,000 members of the media tuned in, "from China and Japan and other parts of Asia, plus Europe," according to Broderick Turner of the L.A. TIMES. Bryant said that he "had a hand in the design of his fourth signature shoe with Nike." Turner notes Bryant plans to debut the shoe during the December 25 Celtics-Lakers game (L.A. TIMES, 12/12). ESPN.com's Wayne Drehs noted Bryant's shoe is a low-top, and it is a "gamble for him, a gamble for Nike and a gamble for the industry as a whole." Whether a low-top shoe will be "accepted by consumers will depend on breaking down myths," but the shoe's release comes at a "critical time for Nike, which has seen a steady decline in sales of basketball shoes" since the '90s. When Bryant in '07 met with a "Nike design team and began brainstorming ideas" for the shoe, his "focus wasn't on following the precedent but rather on setting his own." As an "avid soccer buff, Bryant marveled at the stress soccer players put on their ankles while wearing a low-cut shoe and figured if they could do that on the pitch, he could bring it on the hardwood." So Bryant told Nike to create the "lowest, lightest basketball shoe ever," and the "end result is a shoe that weighs just 11.6 ounces, some 20[%] lighter than the average Nike basketball shoe." While Wizards G Gilbert Arenas is a "longtime proponent of the low-top, and Nike made a lower-type cut shoe" last year for Suns G Steve Nash, Bryant is "by far the biggest star to take the plunge into the low-cut world." Drehs reported Bryant is expected to debut the shoe, which will retail for $120, during the December 19 Heat-Lakers game (ESPN.com, 12/11).

ashes to ashes.. dust to dust
It's a puff piece! It doesn't state that Kobe made the low cut shoe popular!




  
 
Originally Posted by NotoriousMJ23

your a joke Nat
get a life
wasnt even talking about that one

Nope, if you cannot point out where I stated that lows were unsafe, then you are the joke fella. That is point of that article, that Kobe was taking a risk.

Now, show where Kobe made lows popular, or you "shut up".


  
 
^lol at you guys. start a thread bout ur arguments man.

we dont need these here. this thread is mainly for kobe V kicks only.

if u wanna debate bout it go create ur thread.

jus go continue with the updates man..
seriously..
 
As predicted by Tinker Hatfield in last year’s Issue 26, players throughout the NBA, athletes at the collegiate and high school level and players at any gym in the country have since changed their stance on lows. Changed because Kobe changed his stance, going from a taller height in the Zoom Huarache 2K series, the first three Zoom Kobe shoes and even the Hyperdunk, to a targeted low-top collar.


players throughout the NBA, athletes at the collegiate and high school level and players at any gym in the country have since changed their stance on lows. Changed because Kobe changed his stance

players throughout the NBA, athletes at the collegiate and high school level and players at any gym in the country have since changed their stance on lows. Changed because Kobe changed his stance


players throughout the NBA, athletes at the collegiate and high school level and players at any gym in the country have since changed their stance on lows.


Nat

Changed because Kobe changed his stance

Nat Turner

Changed because Kobe changed his stance


Nat.. GOD still loves you

Changed because Kobe changed his stance

Nat... God will always love you

Changed because Kobe changed his stance

Nat.. Kobe still loves you
Changed because Kobe changed his stance


GO TO BED NAT!!! IM DONE

GOODBYE

P.S.

Changed because Kobe changed his stance
 
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