Oh I'm sorry, Did I Break Your Conversation........Well Allow Me A Movie Thread by S&T

[darthska]

Big J 33:

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Unfortunately, even if you do end up watching it, all of the hype and people telling you it's the greatest movie of all-time, will probably sour the experience and it won't live up to your expectations. Having said that, if you can try to have an open mind then who knows.... at least you'll know for a fact you don't like it

This is EXACTLY what happened in 2008 with Scarface,, which I eventually saw in 2009, like I said earlier. The responses in here (other than yours) are so vague and cliche that we could go back and substitute 'Scarface' for 'Pupl Fiction' in the last 15 (or so) replies, and the dialogue would be an exact replica of what happened with me and my old coworkers in 2008. 

"What? Go watch Pulp Fiction Scarface, now!"

"You haven't seen Pulp Fiction Scarface? Crazy! You have to."

"Pulp Fiction Scarface might be the greatest movie ever, dude! How can you... wow... never?!"

"I can't believe we're having to convince someone to watch Pulp Fiction Scarface."

"What's it about? WHAT'S IT ABOUT?! It's freaking Samuel L Al Pacino! That's what it's about!"

"Dude, that's why people say 'I'ma get midevil on your @#$' 'Say hello to mah lil friend!', but you don't get that because you haven't seen it."

In the end, I walk away like "Oh. Sounds... sounds riveting.

Can't believe I've missed out."

If the movie only serves to evoke responses like that, I continue to question it's quality. Sorry.

 

[duba169]

nobody should have ever told you that scarface is one of the best movies ever made.

It's an over the top gangster movie and it always was. It had terrible reviews when it came out.

comparing scarface to pulp fiction is just silly.

 

[duba169]

nobody should have ever told you that scarface is one of the best movies ever made.

It's an over the top gangster movie and it always was. It had terrible reviews when it came out.

comparing scarface to pulp fiction is just silly.

 

[prime1984]

Originally Posted by 23ska909red02

PRIME1984:

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Once film was over, I knew my life and the movie industry in general had changed for the better.

See, THOSE are generally the kinds of responses that pull me into a movie. Actually, I take that back; the answer to the question 'How?' is usually what pulls me into a movie.

Sooo... how? How did that movie change your life?

The movie industry? I can google the cultural impact and probably write a report about how the film industry changed in part because of Pulp Fiction, without even seeing it.

But YOUR life? How did that movie change your life?

Spoiler

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my gut tells me you didn't really mean that,  but we'll see.

  

 

[prime1984]

Originally Posted by 23ska909red02

PRIME1984:

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Once film was over, I knew my life and the movie industry in general had changed for the better.

See, THOSE are generally the kinds of responses that pull me into a movie. Actually, I take that back; the answer to the question 'How?' is usually what pulls me into a movie.

Sooo... how? How did that movie change your life?

The movie industry? I can google the cultural impact and probably write a report about how the film industry changed in part because of Pulp Fiction, without even seeing it.

But YOUR life? How did that movie change your life?

Spoiler

Spoiler

Spoiler [+]

Spoiler

my gut tells me you didn't really mean that,  but we'll see.

  

 

[darthska]

CP1708:

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I can't simply TELL you the movie, ya know?
Oh trust me; I know you can't.

That's exactly what I've been saying.

Pick one of the movies I mentioned before that you haven't seen, and watch how easy it is for me to just throw a few lines out there about the movie without ruining it for you. THAT SHOULDN'T BE SO HARD IF YOU REALLY LOVE THE MOVIE!

That's why I have this opinion that people DON'T really love the movie; they love it's celebrity.

 

[darthska]

CP1708:

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I can't simply TELL you the movie, ya know?
Oh trust me; I know you can't.

That's exactly what I've been saying.

Pick one of the movies I mentioned before that you haven't seen, and watch how easy it is for me to just throw a few lines out there about the movie without ruining it for you. THAT SHOULDN'T BE SO HARD IF YOU REALLY LOVE THE MOVIE!

That's why I have this opinion that people DON'T really love the movie; they love it's celebrity.

 

[duba169]

Originally Posted by 23ska909red02

"What? Go watch Pulp Fiction Scarface, now!"

SAY WHAT AGAIN!

 

[duba169]

Originally Posted by 23ska909red02

"What? Go watch Pulp Fiction Scarface, now!"

SAY WHAT AGAIN!

 

[CP1708]

Originally Posted by 23ska909red02

CP1708:

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I can't simply TELL you the movie, ya know?

Oh trust me; I know you can't.

That's exactly what I've been saying.

Pick one of the movies I mentioned before that you haven't seen, and watch how easy it is for me to just throw a few lines out there about the movie without ruining it for you. THAT SHOULDN'T BE SO HARD IF YOU REALLY LOVE THE MOVIE!

That's why I have this opinion that people DON'T really love the movie; they love it's celebrity.

Ska, man, I'm tellin ya, you goin the wrong way with this. 

If THEE boss of all bosses was your boss, and he asked you to take his lady out for the night while he was away, and NOTHING bad was too happen to her, what could go wrong my friend? 

And if you steal money, specifically, gold, from THEE boss, how do you think that will turn out? 

And if you were in a restaurant and were about to do something bad, who would you not want in there?  Cops?  Or worse?   

And if you were a fighter, and were supposed to throw a fight, would you? 

And if your girl forgot your watch, would you go get it?  Why? 

Ska, this film won oscars, it gave people NEW bigger careers then what they had when they came in.  The movie quotes you lookin for?  Look on IMDB, it's PAGES AND PAGES LONG, and I could quote them, but NT would edit half of them out. 

 

I don't like this movie cuz someone told me too, I LOVE this movie because of what it did when I watched it 15 years ago.  And BTW, at the time, I didn't want to watch it either.  I just heard so much, I wanted to know what the hub bub was about. 

Oh and Inglorious?  Yeah, Pulp Fiction but with Nazis............

  You have to see Pulp, to understand why I say that. 

 

[CP1708]

Originally Posted by 23ska909red02

CP1708:

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I can't simply TELL you the movie, ya know?

Oh trust me; I know you can't.

That's exactly what I've been saying.

Pick one of the movies I mentioned before that you haven't seen, and watch how easy it is for me to just throw a few lines out there about the movie without ruining it for you. THAT SHOULDN'T BE SO HARD IF YOU REALLY LOVE THE MOVIE!

That's why I have this opinion that people DON'T really love the movie; they love it's celebrity.

Ska, man, I'm tellin ya, you goin the wrong way with this. 

If THEE boss of all bosses was your boss, and he asked you to take his lady out for the night while he was away, and NOTHING bad was too happen to her, what could go wrong my friend? 

And if you steal money, specifically, gold, from THEE boss, how do you think that will turn out? 

And if you were in a restaurant and were about to do something bad, who would you not want in there?  Cops?  Or worse?   

And if you were a fighter, and were supposed to throw a fight, would you? 

And if your girl forgot your watch, would you go get it?  Why? 

Ska, this film won oscars, it gave people NEW bigger careers then what they had when they came in.  The movie quotes you lookin for?  Look on IMDB, it's PAGES AND PAGES LONG, and I could quote them, but NT would edit half of them out. 

 

I don't like this movie cuz someone told me too, I LOVE this movie because of what it did when I watched it 15 years ago.  And BTW, at the time, I didn't want to watch it either.  I just heard so much, I wanted to know what the hub bub was about. 

Oh and Inglorious?  Yeah, Pulp Fiction but with Nazis............

  You have to see Pulp, to understand why I say that. 

 

[darthska]

DubA169:

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nobody should have ever told you that scarface is one of the best movies ever made.
Oh, I definitely agree! Now that I've seen it. But before seeing it? I didn't know what to think of it. Just knew everyone loves it and no one can explain why, other than 'You can't be a man and not like Scarface.'

Oh. Ok.

DubA169:

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23ska909red02:

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"What? Go watch Pulp Fiction Scarface, now!"

SAY WHAT AGAIN!

That actually made me laugh.

CP1708:

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If THEE boss of all bosses was your boss, and he asked you to take his lady out for the night while he was away, and NOTHING bad was too happen to her, what could go wrong my friend? 

And if you steal money, specifically, gold, from THEE boss, how do you think that will turn out? 

And if you were in a restaurant and were about to do something bad, who would you not want in there?  Cops?  Or worse?   

And if you were a fighter, and were supposed to throw a fight, would you? 

And if your girl forgot your watch, would you go get it?  Why? 

Wait, is this a main storyline of the movie? Never knew that. See, that sounds pretty damn good.

Ok, ok... sounds cool.

I've heard about a watch before and about the pursuit of the watch throughout the movie, so I knew that was an important element; just don't know why.

I'll watch Pulp Fiction as soon as it comes up again. Just did a search right now and it's playing anytime soon, apparently.

 

[darthska]

DubA169:

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nobody should have ever told you that scarface is one of the best movies ever made.
Oh, I definitely agree! Now that I've seen it. But before seeing it? I didn't know what to think of it. Just knew everyone loves it and no one can explain why, other than 'You can't be a man and not like Scarface.'

Oh. Ok.

DubA169:

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23ska909red02:

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"What? Go watch Pulp Fiction Scarface, now!"

SAY WHAT AGAIN!

That actually made me laugh.

CP1708:

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If THEE boss of all bosses was your boss, and he asked you to take his lady out for the night while he was away, and NOTHING bad was too happen to her, what could go wrong my friend? 

And if you steal money, specifically, gold, from THEE boss, how do you think that will turn out? 

And if you were in a restaurant and were about to do something bad, who would you not want in there?  Cops?  Or worse?   

And if you were a fighter, and were supposed to throw a fight, would you? 

And if your girl forgot your watch, would you go get it?  Why? 

Wait, is this a main storyline of the movie? Never knew that. See, that sounds pretty damn good.

Ok, ok... sounds cool.

I've heard about a watch before and about the pursuit of the watch throughout the movie, so I knew that was an important element; just don't know why.

I'll watch Pulp Fiction as soon as it comes up again. Just did a search right now and it's playing anytime soon, apparently.

 

[doublejs07]

I'm not a Tarantino fan (at all)...but the dialogue in Pulp Fiction is worth the rental price, Ska. It's so damn witty. GREAT movie. On top of it all, I love reading/discussing the contents of the briefcase. Any movie that you can have good discussion about YEARS after it's release is good money IMO. A true classic.

 

[doublejs07]

I'm not a Tarantino fan (at all)...but the dialogue in Pulp Fiction is worth the rental price, Ska. It's so damn witty. GREAT movie. On top of it all, I love reading/discussing the contents of the briefcase. Any movie that you can have good discussion about YEARS after it's release is good money IMO. A true classic.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

Originally Posted by CP1708

ALL Quentin movies are MUST SEE in my book.  ALL of them. 

Even True Romance, and it wasn't even his direction, just written by him.  True Romance, another GREAT GREAT GREAT casted movie.  Slater, Patricia Arqutte, Hopper, Kilmer, Oldman, Pitt, Walken, Samuel L, Rappaport, Gandolfini, Sizemore, Chris Penn, Balki, Michael Beach,

  Like a who's who of Hollywood.  And as far as scenes go, the Hopper/Walken scene for 10 minutes was 

I'm a big Tarantino fan and True Romance is by far my favorite script he's written (Inglourious Basterds favorite he directed). Like you said, the eggplant scene with Walken and Hopper (way off topic, but I absolutely looooovvvveeeedddd him in 24 as Victor Drazen), the coolness of Patricia Arquette's character, Brad Pitt being a stoner, such an awesome movie.

Now onto Ska and his communist viewing habits, Pulp Fiction is a masterpiece and an American cinema icon because of the way the film's structured, like Dub said, the unbelievable script (top 5 of all time all because of the way the dialogue is broken down like a montage almost and gradually builds tension to the finish--just like the opening scene in Basterds with Landa and the French dude, asking for a glass of milk, stuff like that is what makes Tarantino a legend), the intricacies and quirks of all the characters (there are few characters better in cinema than Winston Wolfe, what Keitel did with that role in his 10 minutes or so of screen time is outstanding), the mise-en-scene (the mythological correlation between bandage on the back of Marcellus Wallace's neck and the highly coveted suitcase) and subtle revelations of Tarantino's foot fetish (the whole foot massage thing, then the quick close-up of the bottom of Uma's foot, the ceramic foot in the background in I wanna say the drug dealer's home), the goddamn gimp, "Zed's dead baby," it's just a freaking masterpiece, dude.

And what makes Tarantino one of the bests, is his ability to stray away from the blandness of characters (major problem in movies and books today) and truly churn them into three-dimensional beings (all the little bits of history he adds to the characters and builds them up before they're even physically introduce give them that extra dimension--Marcellus Wallace throwing Tony Rocky Horror out the window because of a foot massage, Vince Vega's trip to Amsterdam, Tim Roth recapping his past robberies before the badass diner scene that Samuel L Jackson massacres, the flashback with Bruce Willis as a child and the story of his father's watch, I could go on and on and on), especially women characters (nobody writes for women better than Tarantino: Shoshanna, the Black Mamba, Marcellus Wallace's wife, Patricia Arquette in True Romance, Jackie Brown), which are nothing but archetypes and charicatures in 97% of today's films (I'm praying Sucker Punch is awesome and helps segue things back to the glory days where women on screen were more than pretty people to look at); Bruce Willis's girlfriend wanting blueberry pancakes and a potbelly, Marcellus Wallace's wife's acting career and her overall swag throughout the film.

It's a movie of subtleties (Bruce Willis toasting a pop tart while Vince Vega's in the can), Ska, and that's pretty much the main reason why people can't give you the super informed answer you desire. You have to watch the movie yourself at least twice and catch every little bit of magic that Tarantino infused.

And Ska, the difference between Scarface and Pulp, is Pulp isn't an overrated piece of hit flick about a coke head that was carried by Al Pacino. Pulp is a goddamn masterpiece that hits a homerun in every category of the art of film, from the editing, lighting, score, etc.

Don't let your feelings about Reservoir Dogs sway you away from this film, either. Reservoir Dogs, although another masterpiece, is essentially a filmed stage play so it's reasonable for people not to like it, but if you watch Pulp Fiction and give it a meh, then your soul has already been sucked out of your eyes by some other briefcase.

Edit: It's fitting my longest post ever is about my favorite screenwriter

 

[johnnyredstorm]

Originally Posted by CP1708

ALL Quentin movies are MUST SEE in my book.  ALL of them. 

Even True Romance, and it wasn't even his direction, just written by him.  True Romance, another GREAT GREAT GREAT casted movie.  Slater, Patricia Arqutte, Hopper, Kilmer, Oldman, Pitt, Walken, Samuel L, Rappaport, Gandolfini, Sizemore, Chris Penn, Balki, Michael Beach,

  Like a who's who of Hollywood.  And as far as scenes go, the Hopper/Walken scene for 10 minutes was 

I'm a big Tarantino fan and True Romance is by far my favorite script he's written (Inglourious Basterds favorite he directed). Like you said, the eggplant scene with Walken and Hopper (way off topic, but I absolutely looooovvvveeeedddd him in 24 as Victor Drazen), the coolness of Patricia Arquette's character, Brad Pitt being a stoner, such an awesome movie.

Now onto Ska and his communist viewing habits, Pulp Fiction is a masterpiece and an American cinema icon because of the way the film's structured, like Dub said, the unbelievable script (top 5 of all time all because of the way the dialogue is broken down like a montage almost and gradually builds tension to the finish--just like the opening scene in Basterds with Landa and the French dude, asking for a glass of milk, stuff like that is what makes Tarantino a legend), the intricacies and quirks of all the characters (there are few characters better in cinema than Winston Wolfe, what Keitel did with that role in his 10 minutes or so of screen time is outstanding), the mise-en-scene (the mythological correlation between bandage on the back of Marcellus Wallace's neck and the highly coveted suitcase) and subtle revelations of Tarantino's foot fetish (the whole foot massage thing, then the quick close-up of the bottom of Uma's foot, the ceramic foot in the background in I wanna say the drug dealer's home), the goddamn gimp, "Zed's dead baby," it's just a freaking masterpiece, dude.

And what makes Tarantino one of the bests, is his ability to stray away from the blandness of characters (major problem in movies and books today) and truly churn them into three-dimensional beings (all the little bits of history he adds to the characters and builds them up before they're even physically introduce give them that extra dimension--Marcellus Wallace throwing Tony Rocky Horror out the window because of a foot massage, Vince Vega's trip to Amsterdam, Tim Roth recapping his past robberies before the badass diner scene that Samuel L Jackson massacres, the flashback with Bruce Willis as a child and the story of his father's watch, I could go on and on and on), especially women characters (nobody writes for women better than Tarantino: Shoshanna, the Black Mamba, Marcellus Wallace's wife, Patricia Arquette in True Romance, Jackie Brown), which are nothing but archetypes and charicatures in 97% of today's films (I'm praying Sucker Punch is awesome and helps segue things back to the glory days where women on screen were more than pretty people to look at); Bruce Willis's girlfriend wanting blueberry pancakes and a potbelly, Marcellus Wallace's wife's acting career and her overall swag throughout the film.

It's a movie of subtleties (Bruce Willis toasting a pop tart while Vince Vega's in the can), Ska, and that's pretty much the main reason why people can't give you the super informed answer you desire. You have to watch the movie yourself at least twice and catch every little bit of magic that Tarantino infused.

And Ska, the difference between Scarface and Pulp, is Pulp isn't an overrated piece of hit flick about a coke head that was carried by Al Pacino. Pulp is a goddamn masterpiece that hits a homerun in every category of the art of film, from the editing, lighting, score, etc.

Don't let your feelings about Reservoir Dogs sway you away from this film, either. Reservoir Dogs, although another masterpiece, is essentially a filmed stage play so it's reasonable for people not to like it, but if you watch Pulp Fiction and give it a meh, then your soul has already been sucked out of your eyes by some other briefcase.

Edit: It's fitting my longest post ever is about my favorite screenwriter

 

[koolbarbone]

To be fair, Pulp Fiction is not for everybody and I think you really have to love film culture to truly appreciate that movie. I know a lot of people who saw it and were not impressed.

That's not to say that it is not a great film because it is, but it is not conventional and that can rub people the wrong way since Hollywood trains people to see films in one way. The most glaring example of this is the non-linear narrative. Aside from that, there are a lot of allusions to other directors, films, genres, etc. that add depth to the film but, if you don't know what Tarantino is trying to do, it comes across as superfluous.

Ultimately, aside from Pulp Fiction's cultural impact, you have to decide if Tarantino is a director you are interested in, since this film is the apex of his early career. There are a lot of directors who are good at what they do, but their style is not very perceptible (Spielberg being a classic example). Others have a very distinct touch that is immediately recognizable (fans of the auteur theory will know what I am talking about) due to the dominant themes, character development, cinematography, dialogue, editing, lighting, sound, etc. Tarantino, along with directors like the Coen brothers, Darren Aronofsky, and Wes Anderson, are just a few contemporary artists whose films operate on their own unique planes. A lot of people don't like these directors for their own reasons. Doesn't mean that they are overrated, just means that they don't meet your particular film tastes. However, if you have seen Inglourious Basterds and liked it, that's a good sign since Tarantino, believing that it was his masterpiece, spent over a decade making it. Pulp Fiction is the film that it has to unseat.

 

[koolbarbone]

To be fair, Pulp Fiction is not for everybody and I think you really have to love film culture to truly appreciate that movie. I know a lot of people who saw it and were not impressed.

That's not to say that it is not a great film because it is, but it is not conventional and that can rub people the wrong way since Hollywood trains people to see films in one way. The most glaring example of this is the non-linear narrative. Aside from that, there are a lot of allusions to other directors, films, genres, etc. that add depth to the film but, if you don't know what Tarantino is trying to do, it comes across as superfluous.

Ultimately, aside from Pulp Fiction's cultural impact, you have to decide if Tarantino is a director you are interested in, since this film is the apex of his early career. There are a lot of directors who are good at what they do, but their style is not very perceptible (Spielberg being a classic example). Others have a very distinct touch that is immediately recognizable (fans of the auteur theory will know what I am talking about) due to the dominant themes, character development, cinematography, dialogue, editing, lighting, sound, etc. Tarantino, along with directors like the Coen brothers, Darren Aronofsky, and Wes Anderson, are just a few contemporary artists whose films operate on their own unique planes. A lot of people don't like these directors for their own reasons. Doesn't mean that they are overrated, just means that they don't meet your particular film tastes. However, if you have seen Inglourious Basterds and liked it, that's a good sign since Tarantino, believing that it was his masterpiece, spent over a decade making it. Pulp Fiction is the film that it has to unseat.

 

[darthska]

JohnnyRedStorm:

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Now onto Ska and his communist viewing habits

JohnnyRedStorm:

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Pulp Fiction is a masterpiece and an American cinema icon because of the way the film's structured, like Dub said, the unbelievable script (top 5 of all time all because of the way the dialogue is broken down like a montage almost and gradually builds tension to the finish--just like the opening scene in Basterds with Landa and the French dude, asking for a glass of milk, stuff like that is what makes Tarantino a legend), the intricacies and quirks of all the characters (there are few characters better in cinema than Winston Wolfe, what Keitel did with that role in his 10 minutes or so of screen time is outstanding), the mise-en-scene (the mythological correlation between bandage on the back of Marcellus Wallace's neck and the highly coveted suitcase) and subtle revelations of Tarantino's foot fetish (the whole foot massage thing, then the quick close-up of the bottom of Uma's foot, the ceramic foot in the background in I wanna say the drug dealer's home), the goddamn gimp, "Zed's dead baby," it's just a freaking masterpiece, dude.

And what makes Tarantino one of the bests, is his ability to stray away from the blandness of characters (major problem in movies and books today) and truly churn them into three-dimensional beings (all the little bits of history he adds to the characters and builds them up before they're even physically introduce give them that extra dimension--Marcellus Wallace throwing Tony Rocky Horror out the window because of a foot massage, Vince Vega's trip to Amsterdam, Tim Roth recapping his past robberies before the badass diner scene that Samuel L Jackson massacres, the flashback with Bruce Willis as a child and the story of his father's watch, I could go on and on and on), especially women characters (nobody writes for women better than Tarantino: Shoshanna, the Black Mamba, Marcellus Wallace's wife, Patricia Arquette in True Romance, Jackie Brown), which are nothing but archetypes and charicatures in 97% of today's films (I'm praying Sucker Punch is awesome and helps segue things back to the glory days where women on screen were more than pretty people to look at); Bruce Willis's girlfriend wanting blueberry pancakes and a potbelly, Marcellus Wallace's wife's acting career and her overall swag throughout the film.

It's a movie of subtleties (Bruce Willis toasting a pop tart while Vince Vega's in the can), Ska, and that's pretty much the main reason why people can't give you the super informed answer you desire. You have to watch the movie yourself at least twice and catch every little bit of magic that Tarantino infused.

And Ska, the difference between Scarface and Pulp, is Pulp isn't an overrated piece of hit flick about a coke head that was carried by Al Pacino. Pulp is a goddamn masterpiece that hits a homerun in every category of the art of film, from the editing, lighting, score, etc.
My man.

Hell yeah.

I'm in.

Already texted a few people from work to see if they have it, or if they can get it from someone they know.

Very interesting. There's a commonality in all the movies I really, REALLY like, and it's the struggle of the characters I'm watching. Shoshanna's struggle throughout Basterds pulled me into the movie just as much as the struggle for the Basterds themselves to strike fear into the Nazi army and ultimately try to take Hitler down. For example, my favorite scene in the movie isn't one of the the many gory scenes; it's the scene where she's having dinner with the guy who killed her family, and only she knows how they know each other. That scene sent chills up and down my spine as I thought of the gamut of emotions she was going through, the restraint, the memories that were dredged up as she tried to have casual conversation; I love watching humans make it through intense struggle. So that's an excellent point you bring up, about QT's ability to develop female characters in his films for more than just eye candy. I like that and have never heard that mentioned.

JohnnyRedStorm:

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Don't let your feelings about Reservoir Dogs sway you away from this film, either. Reservoir Dogs, although another masterpiece, is essentially a filmed stage play so it's reasonable for people not to like it, but if you watch Pulp Fiction and give it a meh, then your soul has already been sucked out of your eyes by some other briefcase.

 

And I'll be sure to set aside my personal feelings of Reservoir Dogs.

 

[darthska]

JohnnyRedStorm:

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Now onto Ska and his communist viewing habits

JohnnyRedStorm:

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Pulp Fiction is a masterpiece and an American cinema icon because of the way the film's structured, like Dub said, the unbelievable script (top 5 of all time all because of the way the dialogue is broken down like a montage almost and gradually builds tension to the finish--just like the opening scene in Basterds with Landa and the French dude, asking for a glass of milk, stuff like that is what makes Tarantino a legend), the intricacies and quirks of all the characters (there are few characters better in cinema than Winston Wolfe, what Keitel did with that role in his 10 minutes or so of screen time is outstanding), the mise-en-scene (the mythological correlation between bandage on the back of Marcellus Wallace's neck and the highly coveted suitcase) and subtle revelations of Tarantino's foot fetish (the whole foot massage thing, then the quick close-up of the bottom of Uma's foot, the ceramic foot in the background in I wanna say the drug dealer's home), the goddamn gimp, "Zed's dead baby," it's just a freaking masterpiece, dude.

And what makes Tarantino one of the bests, is his ability to stray away from the blandness of characters (major problem in movies and books today) and truly churn them into three-dimensional beings (all the little bits of history he adds to the characters and builds them up before they're even physically introduce give them that extra dimension--Marcellus Wallace throwing Tony Rocky Horror out the window because of a foot massage, Vince Vega's trip to Amsterdam, Tim Roth recapping his past robberies before the badass diner scene that Samuel L Jackson massacres, the flashback with Bruce Willis as a child and the story of his father's watch, I could go on and on and on), especially women characters (nobody writes for women better than Tarantino: Shoshanna, the Black Mamba, Marcellus Wallace's wife, Patricia Arquette in True Romance, Jackie Brown), which are nothing but archetypes and charicatures in 97% of today's films (I'm praying Sucker Punch is awesome and helps segue things back to the glory days where women on screen were more than pretty people to look at); Bruce Willis's girlfriend wanting blueberry pancakes and a potbelly, Marcellus Wallace's wife's acting career and her overall swag throughout the film.

It's a movie of subtleties (Bruce Willis toasting a pop tart while Vince Vega's in the can), Ska, and that's pretty much the main reason why people can't give you the super informed answer you desire. You have to watch the movie yourself at least twice and catch every little bit of magic that Tarantino infused.

And Ska, the difference between Scarface and Pulp, is Pulp isn't an overrated piece of hit flick about a coke head that was carried by Al Pacino. Pulp is a goddamn masterpiece that hits a homerun in every category of the art of film, from the editing, lighting, score, etc.
My man.

Hell yeah.

I'm in.

Already texted a few people from work to see if they have it, or if they can get it from someone they know.

Very interesting. There's a commonality in all the movies I really, REALLY like, and it's the struggle of the characters I'm watching. Shoshanna's struggle throughout Basterds pulled me into the movie just as much as the struggle for the Basterds themselves to strike fear into the Nazi army and ultimately try to take Hitler down. For example, my favorite scene in the movie isn't one of the the many gory scenes; it's the scene where she's having dinner with the guy who killed her family, and only she knows how they know each other. That scene sent chills up and down my spine as I thought of the gamut of emotions she was going through, the restraint, the memories that were dredged up as she tried to have casual conversation; I love watching humans make it through intense struggle. So that's an excellent point you bring up, about QT's ability to develop female characters in his films for more than just eye candy. I like that and have never heard that mentioned.

JohnnyRedStorm:

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Don't let your feelings about Reservoir Dogs sway you away from this film, either. Reservoir Dogs, although another masterpiece, is essentially a filmed stage play so it's reasonable for people not to like it, but if you watch Pulp Fiction and give it a meh, then your soul has already been sucked out of your eyes by some other briefcase.

 

And I'll be sure to set aside my personal feelings of Reservoir Dogs.

 

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23ska909red02 wrote:

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CP1708:

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If THEE boss of all bosses was your boss, and he asked you to take his lady out for the night while he was away, and NOTHING bad was too happen to her, what could go wrong my friend? 

And if you steal money, specifically, gold, from THEE boss, how do you think that will turn out? 

And if you were in a restaurant and were about to do something bad, who would you not want in there?  Cops?  Or worse?   

And if you were a fighter, and were supposed to throw a fight, would you? 

And if your girl forgot your watch, would you go get it?  Why? 

Wait, is this a main storyline of the movie?

  That's just it, is there a main storyline?  The title alone, Pulp Fiction will explain in the opening credits of the movie. 

I forgot to even mention the music, and though I am not a fan of the music that is played in the movie, his USE of it is damn near ingenious.   The score for Kill Bill stays in my head for days after I watch it. 

One of Quentin's movies (I won't say which) he starts the movie with 4 main characters, develops them, plots them, storylines them, backgrounds them, KILLS them, and then starts all over with 4 different characters and keeps the movie moving like it's nothing. 

  Find someone else that can pull that off in this world.   (Ska, this part was not about Pulp, just so I'm clear right now, like I said, I won't say which for anyone else who may see this) 

Also, as a point of reference, the IMDB top 250 all time reads as so........

The Shawshank Redemption  9.2
The Godfather 9.2
The Godfather II  9
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, 8.9
Pulp Fiction  8.9


See any suckers in that list?  Think of all the movies you have EVER seen, and Pulp Fiction is rated below only 4 of them in probably the biggest movie site on the net.  Voted on by hundreds of thousands of people.  There are certainly QT clones, but not that many that can affect the ratings this severely. 

Look at that, 3 movies in HISTORY achieve a 9 rating, and there's Pulp at 8.9.  You gotta admit, that's impressive.  And that's 17 years ago roughly, if it truly wasn't as good, time would chip away at that rating, don'tcha think? 


Kool makes a good point about may not be everybody's cup of tea, but I have a hard time thinking that Ska wouldn't be able to get it, process it, understand it, and like it if he liked Inglorious. 

  

 

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23ska909red02 wrote:

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CP1708:

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If THEE boss of all bosses was your boss, and he asked you to take his lady out for the night while he was away, and NOTHING bad was too happen to her, what could go wrong my friend? 

And if you steal money, specifically, gold, from THEE boss, how do you think that will turn out? 

And if you were in a restaurant and were about to do something bad, who would you not want in there?  Cops?  Or worse?   

And if you were a fighter, and were supposed to throw a fight, would you? 

And if your girl forgot your watch, would you go get it?  Why? 

Wait, is this a main storyline of the movie?

  That's just it, is there a main storyline?  The title alone, Pulp Fiction will explain in the opening credits of the movie. 

I forgot to even mention the music, and though I am not a fan of the music that is played in the movie, his USE of it is damn near ingenious.   The score for Kill Bill stays in my head for days after I watch it. 

One of Quentin's movies (I won't say which) he starts the movie with 4 main characters, develops them, plots them, storylines them, backgrounds them, KILLS them, and then starts all over with 4 different characters and keeps the movie moving like it's nothing. 

  Find someone else that can pull that off in this world.   (Ska, this part was not about Pulp, just so I'm clear right now, like I said, I won't say which for anyone else who may see this) 

Also, as a point of reference, the IMDB top 250 all time reads as so........

The Shawshank Redemption  9.2
The Godfather 9.2
The Godfather II  9
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, 8.9
Pulp Fiction  8.9


See any suckers in that list?  Think of all the movies you have EVER seen, and Pulp Fiction is rated below only 4 of them in probably the biggest movie site on the net.  Voted on by hundreds of thousands of people.  There are certainly QT clones, but not that many that can affect the ratings this severely. 

Look at that, 3 movies in HISTORY achieve a 9 rating, and there's Pulp at 8.9.  You gotta admit, that's impressive.  And that's 17 years ago roughly, if it truly wasn't as good, time would chip away at that rating, don'tcha think? 


Kool makes a good point about may not be everybody's cup of tea, but I have a hard time thinking that Ska wouldn't be able to get it, process it, understand it, and like it if he liked Inglorious. 

  

 

[prime1984]

Marcellus Wallace: I think you're gonna find, when all this #$!$ is over, I think you're gonna find yourself one smiling $+#$#+%+@#!%. The thing is, Butch, right now you got ability. But painful as it may be, ability don't last. And your days are just about over. Now that's a hard $#%@$*#%++%!' fact of life, but that's a fact of life your !%* is gonna have to get realistic about. See, this business is filled to the brim with unrealistic %*%#!**+$#%%$. %*%#!**+$#%%$ who thought their !%* would age like wine. If you mean it turns to vinegar, it does. If you mean it gets better with age, it don't. Besides, Butch, how many fights do you think you got in you anyhow? Two? Boxers don't have an Old Timers Place. You came close but you never made it. And if you were gonna make it, you would have made it before now. (holds out the envelope of cash to Butch, but just out of his reach) You're mine, @$!$#?
Butch: It certainly appears so. (takes the envelope)
Marcellus: Night of the fight, you might feel a slight sting. That's pride +%+@@*' with you. %@#@ pride! Pride only hurts, it never helps. You fight through that #$!$. 'Cause a year from now, when you kicking it in the Caribbean, you gonna say to yourself, "Marcellus Wallace was right."
Butch: I got no problem with that, Mr. Wallace.
Marcellus: In the 5th, your !%* goes down. (Butch nods silently) Say it.
Butch: In the 5th, my !%* goes down.

 

[prime1984]

Marcellus Wallace: I think you're gonna find, when all this #$!$ is over, I think you're gonna find yourself one smiling $+#$#+%+@#!%. The thing is, Butch, right now you got ability. But painful as it may be, ability don't last. And your days are just about over. Now that's a hard $#%@$*#%++%!' fact of life, but that's a fact of life your !%* is gonna have to get realistic about. See, this business is filled to the brim with unrealistic %*%#!**+$#%%$. %*%#!**+$#%%$ who thought their !%* would age like wine. If you mean it turns to vinegar, it does. If you mean it gets better with age, it don't. Besides, Butch, how many fights do you think you got in you anyhow? Two? Boxers don't have an Old Timers Place. You came close but you never made it. And if you were gonna make it, you would have made it before now. (holds out the envelope of cash to Butch, but just out of his reach) You're mine, @$!$#?
Butch: It certainly appears so. (takes the envelope)
Marcellus: Night of the fight, you might feel a slight sting. That's pride +%+@@*' with you. %@#@ pride! Pride only hurts, it never helps. You fight through that #$!$. 'Cause a year from now, when you kicking it in the Caribbean, you gonna say to yourself, "Marcellus Wallace was right."
Butch: I got no problem with that, Mr. Wallace.
Marcellus: In the 5th, your !%* goes down. (Butch nods silently) Say it.
Butch: In the 5th, my !%* goes down.