Osama Bin Laden is dead

THIS HAZEE CAT HAS ME
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Lol @ Pakistan "warning" us for carrying out a illegal raid without a heads up. Hey idiots, we flew in stealth choppers with armed men got in and out in 30 minutes near your biggest city and capital and you didn't notice until an hour later. LULZ. military is a corrupt joke. We give them billions of dollars in aid and they harbor Osama. SMH
 
Lol @ Pakistan "warning" us for carrying out a illegal raid without a heads up. Hey idiots, we flew in stealth choppers with armed men got in and out in 30 minutes near your biggest city and capital and you didn't notice until an hour later. LULZ. military is a corrupt joke. We give them billions of dollars in aid and they harbor Osama. SMH
 
"Even when the Americans managed to kill Osama, they managed to do ONLY that by disgrace and betrayal. Men and heroes only should be confronted in the battlefields but at the end, that's God's fate."

sure body the twin towers were a battlefield and osama was in the battlefield.
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"Even when the Americans managed to kill Osama, they managed to do ONLY that by disgrace and betrayal. Men and heroes only should be confronted in the battlefields but at the end, that's God's fate."

sure body the twin towers were a battlefield and osama was in the battlefield.
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Originally Posted by Crank Lucas

Lol @ Pakistan "warning" us for carrying out a illegal raid without a heads up. Hey idiots, we flew in stealth choppers with armed men got in and out in 30 minutes near your biggest city and capital and you didn't notice until an hour later. LULZ. military is a corrupt joke. We give them billions of dollars in aid and they harbor Osama. SMH
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they have every right to warn the US, sovereignty issues make it harder for the Pakistan government to get support of its people, The US used blind spots in radar focused on the Afghan border to slip in, and Karachi NOT Islamabad is the most  defended, secured, and largest Pakistani city by the Pak army. The Pakistan army scrambled jets 10 min after the operation began, they didn't reach abbottabad until 5 minutes after the completion of the operation which seems just too convenient. The military they have may be corrupt but remember the Alliance made in the Cold War, Pakistan was the only nation in South Asia to ally itself with the US and the US trained their army from nothing to an army that has close to a million men over the past 60 years. Did I forget they have a nuclear arsenal ready for launch? 
 
Originally Posted by Crank Lucas

Lol @ Pakistan "warning" us for carrying out a illegal raid without a heads up. Hey idiots, we flew in stealth choppers with armed men got in and out in 30 minutes near your biggest city and capital and you didn't notice until an hour later. LULZ. military is a corrupt joke. We give them billions of dollars in aid and they harbor Osama. SMH
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they have every right to warn the US, sovereignty issues make it harder for the Pakistan government to get support of its people, The US used blind spots in radar focused on the Afghan border to slip in, and Karachi NOT Islamabad is the most  defended, secured, and largest Pakistani city by the Pak army. The Pakistan army scrambled jets 10 min after the operation began, they didn't reach abbottabad until 5 minutes after the completion of the operation which seems just too convenient. The military they have may be corrupt but remember the Alliance made in the Cold War, Pakistan was the only nation in South Asia to ally itself with the US and the US trained their army from nothing to an army that has close to a million men over the past 60 years. Did I forget they have a nuclear arsenal ready for launch? 
 
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[h1]The cost of bin Laden: $3 trillion over 15 years[/h1]
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Reuters – A roadside vendor sells newspapers with headlines about the death of al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, …

By National Journal – Fri May 6, 8:12 am ET

By http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/yb...ver-15-years/41360701/SIG=11i05ji2u/*<a href=/www.nationaljournal.com/reporters/bio/119">http://www.nationaljournal.com/reporters/bio/119" style="color: rgb(0, 88, 166); text-decoration: none; ">Tim Fernholz and http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/yb...ver-15-years/41360701/SIG=11hh8liip/*<a href=/www.nationaljournal.com/reporters/bio/64">http://www.nationaljournal.com/reporters/bio/64" style="color: rgb(0, 88, 166); text-decoration: none; ">Jim Tankersley
National Journal

The most expensive public enemy in American history died Sunday from two bullets.

As we mark Osama bin Laden's death, what's striking is how much he cost our nation—and how little we've gained from our fight against him. By conservative estimates, bin Laden cost the United States at least $3 trillion over the past 15 years, counting the disruptions he wrought on the domestic economy, the wars and heightened security triggered by the terrorist attacks he engineered, and the direct efforts to hunt him down.

What do we have to show for that tab? Two wars that continue to occupy 150,000 troops and tie up a quarter of our defense budget; a bloated homeland-security apparatus that has at times pushed the bounds of civil liberty; soaring oil prices partially attributable to the global war on bin Laden's terrorist network; and a chunk of our mounting national debt, which threatens to hobble the economy unless lawmakers compromise on an unprecedented deficit-reduction deal.

All of that has not given us, at least not yet, anything close to the social or economic advancements produced by the battles against America's costliest past enemies. Defeating the Confederate army brought the end of slavery and a wave of standardization—in railroad gauges and shoe sizes, for example—that paved the way for a truly national economy. Vanquishing Adolf Hitler ended the Great Depression and ushered in a period of booming prosperity and hegemony. Even the massive military escalation that marked the Cold War standoff against Joseph Stalin and his Russian successors produced landmark technological breakthroughs that revolutionized the economy.

[ For complete coverage of politics and policy, go to Yahoo! Politics ]


Perhaps the biggest economic silver lining from our bin Laden spending, if there is one, is the accelerated development of unmanned aircraft. That's our $3 trillion windfall, so far: Predator drones. "We have spent a huge amount of money which has not had much effect on the strengthening of our military, and has had a very weak impact on our economy," says Linda Bilmes, a lecturer at Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government who coauthored a book on the costs of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars with Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz.

(TIMELINE: http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/yb...ver-15-years/41360701/SIG=10mdda3bp/*<a href=/bit.ly/mUEazg">http://bit.ly/mUEazg" style="color: rgb(0, 88, 166); text-decoration: none; ">Obama's big secret. When he knew about bin Laden (and we didn't)

Certainly, in the course of the fight against bin Laden, the United States escaped another truly catastrophic attack on our soil. Al-Qaida, though not destroyed, has been badly hobbled. "We proved that we value our security enough to incur some pretty substantial economic costs en route to protecting it," says Michael O'Hanlon, a national-security analyst at the Brookings Institution.

But that willingness may have given bin Laden exactly what he wanted. While the terrorist leader began his war against the United States believing it to be a "paper tiger" that would not fight, by 2004 he had already shifted his strategic aims, explicitly comparing the U.S. fight to the Afghan incursion that helped bankrupt the Soviet Union during the Cold War. "We are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy," bin Laden said in a taped statement. Only the smallest sign of al-Qaida would "make generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic, and political losses without their achieving anything of note other than some benefits for their private corporations." Considering that we've spent one-fifth of a year's gross domestic product—more than the entire 2008 budget of the United States government—responding to his 2001 attacks, he may have been onto something.
[h2]THE SCORECARD[/h2]
Other enemies throughout history have extracted higher gross costs, in blood and in treasure, from the United States. The Civil War and World War II produced higher casualties and consumed larger shares of our economic output. As an economic burden, the Civil War was America's worst cataclysm relative to the size of the economy. The nonpartisan Congressional Research Service estimates that the Union and Confederate armies combined to spend $80 million, in today's dollars, fighting each other. That number might seem low, but economic historians who study the war say the total financial cost was exponentially higher: more like $280 billion in today's dollars when you factor in disruptions to trade and capital flows, along with the killing of 3 to 4 percent of the population. The war "cost about double the gross national product of the United States in 1860," says John Majewski, who chairs the history department at the University of California (Santa Barbara). "From that perspective, the war on terror isn't going to compare."

On the other hand, these earlier conflictsâ€
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[h1]The cost of bin Laden: $3 trillion over 15 years[/h1]
http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/ex...3RvcF92aWRlbwRzbGsDYmlubGFkZW5hbXAz/*<a href=/news.yahoo.com/video/world-15749633/25144374">http://news.yahoo.com/video/world-15749633/25144374" class="media media3s video" style="color: rgb(189, 223, 254); text-decoration: none; position: relative; margin-right: 0px; overflow-x: hidden; overflow-y: hidden; float: left; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">
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Reuters – A roadside vendor sells newspapers with headlines about the death of al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, …

By National Journal – Fri May 6, 8:12 am ET

By http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/yb...ver-15-years/41360701/SIG=11i05ji2u/*<a href=/www.nationaljournal.com/reporters/bio/119">http://www.nationaljournal.com/reporters/bio/119" style="color: rgb(0, 88, 166); text-decoration: none; ">Tim Fernholz and http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/yb...ver-15-years/41360701/SIG=11hh8liip/*<a href=/www.nationaljournal.com/reporters/bio/64">http://www.nationaljournal.com/reporters/bio/64" style="color: rgb(0, 88, 166); text-decoration: none; ">Jim Tankersley
National Journal

The most expensive public enemy in American history died Sunday from two bullets.

As we mark Osama bin Laden's death, what's striking is how much he cost our nation—and how little we've gained from our fight against him. By conservative estimates, bin Laden cost the United States at least $3 trillion over the past 15 years, counting the disruptions he wrought on the domestic economy, the wars and heightened security triggered by the terrorist attacks he engineered, and the direct efforts to hunt him down.

What do we have to show for that tab? Two wars that continue to occupy 150,000 troops and tie up a quarter of our defense budget; a bloated homeland-security apparatus that has at times pushed the bounds of civil liberty; soaring oil prices partially attributable to the global war on bin Laden's terrorist network; and a chunk of our mounting national debt, which threatens to hobble the economy unless lawmakers compromise on an unprecedented deficit-reduction deal.

All of that has not given us, at least not yet, anything close to the social or economic advancements produced by the battles against America's costliest past enemies. Defeating the Confederate army brought the end of slavery and a wave of standardization—in railroad gauges and shoe sizes, for example—that paved the way for a truly national economy. Vanquishing Adolf Hitler ended the Great Depression and ushered in a period of booming prosperity and hegemony. Even the massive military escalation that marked the Cold War standoff against Joseph Stalin and his Russian successors produced landmark technological breakthroughs that revolutionized the economy.

[ For complete coverage of politics and policy, go to Yahoo! Politics ]


Perhaps the biggest economic silver lining from our bin Laden spending, if there is one, is the accelerated development of unmanned aircraft. That's our $3 trillion windfall, so far: Predator drones. "We have spent a huge amount of money which has not had much effect on the strengthening of our military, and has had a very weak impact on our economy," says Linda Bilmes, a lecturer at Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government who coauthored a book on the costs of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars with Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz.

(TIMELINE: http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/yb...ver-15-years/41360701/SIG=10mdda3bp/*<a href=/bit.ly/mUEazg">http://bit.ly/mUEazg" style="color: rgb(0, 88, 166); text-decoration: none; ">Obama's big secret. When he knew about bin Laden (and we didn't)

Certainly, in the course of the fight against bin Laden, the United States escaped another truly catastrophic attack on our soil. Al-Qaida, though not destroyed, has been badly hobbled. "We proved that we value our security enough to incur some pretty substantial economic costs en route to protecting it," says Michael O'Hanlon, a national-security analyst at the Brookings Institution.

But that willingness may have given bin Laden exactly what he wanted. While the terrorist leader began his war against the United States believing it to be a "paper tiger" that would not fight, by 2004 he had already shifted his strategic aims, explicitly comparing the U.S. fight to the Afghan incursion that helped bankrupt the Soviet Union during the Cold War. "We are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy," bin Laden said in a taped statement. Only the smallest sign of al-Qaida would "make generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic, and political losses without their achieving anything of note other than some benefits for their private corporations." Considering that we've spent one-fifth of a year's gross domestic product—more than the entire 2008 budget of the United States government—responding to his 2001 attacks, he may have been onto something.
[h2]THE SCORECARD[/h2]
Other enemies throughout history have extracted higher gross costs, in blood and in treasure, from the United States. The Civil War and World War II produced higher casualties and consumed larger shares of our economic output. As an economic burden, the Civil War was America's worst cataclysm relative to the size of the economy. The nonpartisan Congressional Research Service estimates that the Union and Confederate armies combined to spend $80 million, in today's dollars, fighting each other. That number might seem low, but economic historians who study the war say the total financial cost was exponentially higher: more like $280 billion in today's dollars when you factor in disruptions to trade and capital flows, along with the killing of 3 to 4 percent of the population. The war "cost about double the gross national product of the United States in 1860," says John Majewski, who chairs the history department at the University of California (Santa Barbara). "From that perspective, the war on terror isn't going to compare."

On the other hand, these earlier conflictsâ€
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A friend linked me to this article earlier today. The fact that this is on an Alex Jones website makes me not want to even post it, but it's interesting.

First: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Pieczenik

Now the link: http://www.infowars.com/t...n-2001-911-a-false-flag/

And the article.

[h1] Top Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag [/h1]
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Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
May 4, 2011

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Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job.

Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist
 
A friend linked me to this article earlier today. The fact that this is on an Alex Jones website makes me not want to even post it, but it's interesting.

First: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Pieczenik

Now the link: http://www.infowars.com/t...n-2001-911-a-false-flag/

And the article.

[h1] Top Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag [/h1]
  • [table][tr][td]   [/td] [td] [/td] [td] [/td] [td] [/td] [td] [/td] [td] [/td] [td] [/td] [/tr][/table]

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
May 4, 2011

040511top.jpg


Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job.

Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist
 
I have come to the conclusion dead or alive

We took a "L"

OBL played chess.....he did what he planned to do......drain the US for every dollar we have and make us suffer as a economy and as a nation
 
Originally Posted by MarTdiZzle23

Originally Posted by Crank Lucas

Lol @ Pakistan "warning" us for carrying out a illegal raid without a heads up. Hey idiots, we flew in stealth choppers with armed men got in and out in 30 minutes near your biggest city and capital and you didn't notice until an hour later. LULZ. military is a corrupt joke. We give them billions of dollars in aid and they harbor Osama. SMH
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they have every right to warn the US, sovereignty issues make it harder for the Pakistan government to get support of its people, The US used blind spots in radar focused on the Afghan border to slip in, and Karachi NOT Islamabad is the most  defended, secured, and largest Pakistani city by the Pak army. The Pakistan army scrambled jets 10 min after the operation began, they didn't reach abbottabad until 5 minutes after the completion of the operation which seems just too convenient. The military they have may be corrupt but remember the Alliance made in the Cold War, Pakistan was the only nation in South Asia to ally itself with the US and the US trained their army from nothing to an army that has close to a million men over the past 60 years. Did I forget they have a nuclear arsenal ready for launch? 
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The pakis nukes consist of outdated chicom tech. Intel agencies around the world, not just the u.s.a. would know about a looming attack before they could even gather enough fuel for said nuke. Let alone have their finger resting above the proverbial red button.

Your attempt to make pakistan out to be a real player is getting old.
 
I have come to the conclusion dead or alive

We took a "L"

OBL played chess.....he did what he planned to do......drain the US for every dollar we have and make us suffer as a economy and as a nation
 
Originally Posted by MarTdiZzle23

Originally Posted by Crank Lucas

Lol @ Pakistan "warning" us for carrying out a illegal raid without a heads up. Hey idiots, we flew in stealth choppers with armed men got in and out in 30 minutes near your biggest city and capital and you didn't notice until an hour later. LULZ. military is a corrupt joke. We give them billions of dollars in aid and they harbor Osama. SMH
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they have every right to warn the US, sovereignty issues make it harder for the Pakistan government to get support of its people, The US used blind spots in radar focused on the Afghan border to slip in, and Karachi NOT Islamabad is the most  defended, secured, and largest Pakistani city by the Pak army. The Pakistan army scrambled jets 10 min after the operation began, they didn't reach abbottabad until 5 minutes after the completion of the operation which seems just too convenient. The military they have may be corrupt but remember the Alliance made in the Cold War, Pakistan was the only nation in South Asia to ally itself with the US and the US trained their army from nothing to an army that has close to a million men over the past 60 years. Did I forget they have a nuclear arsenal ready for launch? 
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The pakis nukes consist of outdated chicom tech. Intel agencies around the world, not just the u.s.a. would know about a looming attack before they could even gather enough fuel for said nuke. Let alone have their finger resting above the proverbial red button.

Your attempt to make pakistan out to be a real player is getting old.
 
Originally Posted by BigUglyAmerican

Originally Posted by MarTdiZzle23

Originally Posted by Crank Lucas

Lol @ Pakistan "warning" us for carrying out a illegal raid without a heads up. Hey idiots, we flew in stealth choppers with armed men got in and out in 30 minutes near your biggest city and capital and you didn't notice until an hour later. LULZ. military is a corrupt joke. We give them billions of dollars in aid and they harbor Osama. SMH
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they have every right to warn the US, sovereignty issues make it harder for the Pakistan government to get support of its people, The US used blind spots in radar focused on the Afghan border to slip in, and Karachi NOT Islamabad is the most  defended, secured, and largest Pakistani city by the Pak army. The Pakistan army scrambled jets 10 min after the operation began, they didn't reach abbottabad until 5 minutes after the completion of the operation which seems just too convenient. The military they have may be corrupt but remember the Alliance made in the Cold War, Pakistan was the only nation in South Asia to ally itself with the US and the US trained their army from nothing to an army that has close to a million men over the past 60 years. Did I forget they have a nuclear arsenal ready for launch? 
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The pakis nukes consist of outdated chicom tech. Intel agencies around the world, not just the u.s.a. would know about a looming attack before they could even gather enough fuel for said nuke. Let alone have their finger resting above the proverbial red button.

Your attempt to make pakistan out to be a real player is getting old.
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Well then if you don't think they are a real military maybe the US should invade and let's see how a real conventional war will look like instead of the "real military" forces we fought in Afghanistan and Iraq. Outdated nuclear technology doesn't make up for the fact that they have HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of soldiers, military technology given to them from us (M1 Abrams tanks, F-16, at least one AC130 back in 2008, commando training of their own SSG commandos in West Point military academy). When is the last time the US fought an actual war against a conventional force consisting of hundreds of thousands of enemy soldiers? All of this is my opinion and you have yours as well
 
Originally Posted by BigUglyAmerican

Originally Posted by MarTdiZzle23

Originally Posted by Crank Lucas

Lol @ Pakistan "warning" us for carrying out a illegal raid without a heads up. Hey idiots, we flew in stealth choppers with armed men got in and out in 30 minutes near your biggest city and capital and you didn't notice until an hour later. LULZ. military is a corrupt joke. We give them billions of dollars in aid and they harbor Osama. SMH
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they have every right to warn the US, sovereignty issues make it harder for the Pakistan government to get support of its people, The US used blind spots in radar focused on the Afghan border to slip in, and Karachi NOT Islamabad is the most  defended, secured, and largest Pakistani city by the Pak army. The Pakistan army scrambled jets 10 min after the operation began, they didn't reach abbottabad until 5 minutes after the completion of the operation which seems just too convenient. The military they have may be corrupt but remember the Alliance made in the Cold War, Pakistan was the only nation in South Asia to ally itself with the US and the US trained their army from nothing to an army that has close to a million men over the past 60 years. Did I forget they have a nuclear arsenal ready for launch? 
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The pakis nukes consist of outdated chicom tech. Intel agencies around the world, not just the u.s.a. would know about a looming attack before they could even gather enough fuel for said nuke. Let alone have their finger resting above the proverbial red button.

Your attempt to make pakistan out to be a real player is getting old.
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Well then if you don't think they are a real military maybe the US should invade and let's see how a real conventional war will look like instead of the "real military" forces we fought in Afghanistan and Iraq. Outdated nuclear technology doesn't make up for the fact that they have HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of soldiers, military technology given to them from us (M1 Abrams tanks, F-16, at least one AC130 back in 2008, commando training of their own SSG commandos in West Point military academy). When is the last time the US fought an actual war against a conventional force consisting of hundreds of thousands of enemy soldiers? All of this is my opinion and you have yours as well
 
Originally Posted by MarTdiZzle23

Originally Posted by BigUglyAmerican

Originally Posted by MarTdiZzle23

they have every right to warn the US, sovereignty issues make it harder for the Pakistan government to get support of its people, The US used blind spots in radar focused on the Afghan border to slip in, and Karachi NOT Islamabad is the most  defended, secured, and largest Pakistani city by the Pak army. The Pakistan army scrambled jets 10 min after the operation began, they didn't reach abbottabad until 5 minutes after the completion of the operation which seems just too convenient. The military they have may be corrupt but remember the Alliance made in the Cold War, Pakistan was the only nation in South Asia to ally itself with the US and the US trained their army from nothing to an army that has close to a million men over the past 60 years. Did I forget they have a nuclear arsenal ready for launch? 
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The pakis nukes consist of outdated chicom tech. Intel agencies around the world, not just the u.s.a. would know about a looming attack before they could even gather enough fuel for said nuke. Let alone have their finger resting above the proverbial red button.

Your attempt to make pakistan out to be a real player is getting old.
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Well then if you don't think they are a real military maybe the US should invade and let's see how a real conventional war will look like instead of the "real military" forces we fought in Afghanistan and Iraq. Outdated nuclear technology doesn't make up for the fact that they have HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of soldiers, military technology given to them from us (M1 Abrams tanks, F-16, at least one AC130 back in 2008, commando training of their own SSG commandos in West Point military academy). When is the last time the US fought an actual war against a conventional force consisting of hundreds of thousands of enemy soldiers? All of this is my opinion and you have yours as well
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Iraq^
 
Originally Posted by MarTdiZzle23

Originally Posted by BigUglyAmerican

Originally Posted by MarTdiZzle23

they have every right to warn the US, sovereignty issues make it harder for the Pakistan government to get support of its people, The US used blind spots in radar focused on the Afghan border to slip in, and Karachi NOT Islamabad is the most  defended, secured, and largest Pakistani city by the Pak army. The Pakistan army scrambled jets 10 min after the operation began, they didn't reach abbottabad until 5 minutes after the completion of the operation which seems just too convenient. The military they have may be corrupt but remember the Alliance made in the Cold War, Pakistan was the only nation in South Asia to ally itself with the US and the US trained their army from nothing to an army that has close to a million men over the past 60 years. Did I forget they have a nuclear arsenal ready for launch? 
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The pakis nukes consist of outdated chicom tech. Intel agencies around the world, not just the u.s.a. would know about a looming attack before they could even gather enough fuel for said nuke. Let alone have their finger resting above the proverbial red button.

Your attempt to make pakistan out to be a real player is getting old.
Click to expand...
Well then if you don't think they are a real military maybe the US should invade and let's see how a real conventional war will look like instead of the "real military" forces we fought in Afghanistan and Iraq. Outdated nuclear technology doesn't make up for the fact that they have HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of soldiers, military technology given to them from us (M1 Abrams tanks, F-16, at least one AC130 back in 2008, commando training of their own SSG commandos in West Point military academy). When is the last time the US fought an actual war against a conventional force consisting of hundreds of thousands of enemy soldiers? All of this is my opinion and you have yours as well
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Iraq^
 
hAzEee aNd sN3aKerS you need to read more about the history of the region before you criticize it so vehemently.
 
hAzEee aNd sN3aKerS you need to read more about the history of the region before you criticize it so vehemently.
 
Originally Posted by MarTdiZzle23

Originally Posted by BigUglyAmerican

Originally Posted by MarTdiZzle23

they have every right to warn the US, sovereignty issues make it harder for the Pakistan government to get support of its people, The US used blind spots in radar focused on the Afghan border to slip in, and Karachi NOT Islamabad is the most  defended, secured, and largest Pakistani city by the Pak army. The Pakistan army scrambled jets 10 min after the operation began, they didn't reach abbottabad until 5 minutes after the completion of the operation which seems just too convenient. The military they have may be corrupt but remember the Alliance made in the Cold War, Pakistan was the only nation in South Asia to ally itself with the US and the US trained their army from nothing to an army that has close to a million men over the past 60 years. Did I forget they have a nuclear arsenal ready for launch? 
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The pakis nukes consist of outdated chicom tech. Intel agencies around the world, not just the u.s.a. would know about a looming attack before they could even gather enough fuel for said nuke. Let alone have their finger resting above the proverbial red button.

Your attempt to make pakistan out to be a real player is getting old.
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When is the last time the US fought an actual war against a conventional force consisting of hundreds of thousands of enemy soldiers? All of this is my opinion and you have yours as well
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America made quick work of one of the worlds largest standing armies during the gulf war. QUICK work.

I see youre one of those types. The "america never fights enemy's its own size" types.
 
Originally Posted by MarTdiZzle23

Originally Posted by BigUglyAmerican

Originally Posted by MarTdiZzle23

they have every right to warn the US, sovereignty issues make it harder for the Pakistan government to get support of its people, The US used blind spots in radar focused on the Afghan border to slip in, and Karachi NOT Islamabad is the most  defended, secured, and largest Pakistani city by the Pak army. The Pakistan army scrambled jets 10 min after the operation began, they didn't reach abbottabad until 5 minutes after the completion of the operation which seems just too convenient. The military they have may be corrupt but remember the Alliance made in the Cold War, Pakistan was the only nation in South Asia to ally itself with the US and the US trained their army from nothing to an army that has close to a million men over the past 60 years. Did I forget they have a nuclear arsenal ready for launch? 
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The pakis nukes consist of outdated chicom tech. Intel agencies around the world, not just the u.s.a. would know about a looming attack before they could even gather enough fuel for said nuke. Let alone have their finger resting above the proverbial red button.

Your attempt to make pakistan out to be a real player is getting old.
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When is the last time the US fought an actual war against a conventional force consisting of hundreds of thousands of enemy soldiers? All of this is my opinion and you have yours as well
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America made quick work of one of the worlds largest standing armies during the gulf war. QUICK work.

I see youre one of those types. The "america never fights enemy's its own size" types.
 
Originally Posted by CreateDestroy

Originally Posted by MarTdiZzle23

Originally Posted by BigUglyAmerican



  
The pakis nukes consist of outdated chicom tech. Intel agencies around the world, not just the u.s.a. would know about a looming attack before they could even gather enough fuel for said nuke. Let alone have their finger resting above the proverbial red button.

Your attempt to make pakistan out to be a real player is getting old.
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Well then if you don't think they are a real military maybe the US should invade and let's see how a real conventional war will look like instead of the "real military" forces we fought in Afghanistan and Iraq. Outdated nuclear technology doesn't make up for the fact that they have HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of soldiers, military technology given to them from us (M1 Abrams tanks, F-16, at least one AC130 back in 2008, commando training of their own SSG commandos in West Point military academy). When is the last time the US fought an actual war against a conventional force consisting of hundreds of thousands of enemy soldiers? All of this is my opinion and you have yours as well
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Iraq^
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Which one 1991 or 2003? Either way did Iraq have a military apparatus on the level of having military weapons and training in our own academies as the Pakistanis did? no. Did Iraq have a navy consisting of 11 ships including destroyers (and then a separate group of 5 submarines)? no Pakistan has this. Did Iraq have an air force of over 950 aircraft? Pakistan has this. Did Iraqi armed forces continue to fight conventionally or did they immediately move into an underground insurgency that Saddam headed? they went underground. I would compare the Iraqi forces that you claim to have fought a conventional war to have been an army of rag tag soldiers in either war (1991 there were more retreats by the Iraqi forces than actual fighting done, and 2003 can speak for itself with the insurgency by pro-Baathists still continuing). Either way Pakistan is not a rag-tag army its an actual professional force that has fought three wars with India and has the full backing of the Chinese.
 
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