Pacman suspended Indefinitely...ESPN NEWS reports...

[wildkycat]

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

Originally Posted by DaJoka004

Originally Posted by MBIII

I agree with you LilStar...i would agree with the suspension if he was arrested...Besides, who really knows besides pac and the bodyguard what really went on in that hotel room...

Certainly you don't. So why don't you stop making assumptions about what happened? If Goodell is in the wrong here, the Players Association will be all over it. Since they haven't said a word, I think it's safe to bet that Goodell is okay.

Exactly....

Not a word from the players association....take this into consideration...the PA appealed IMMEDIATELY after Goodell issued Pac's 1 year suspension back in 07', and asked for a lesser ban.

again, those who are defending Pac are having a hard time grasping "zero tolerance." And it's not the same as borrowing a pencil

cherio.

 

[ricardo malta]

I would love to be the child of some of ya'll. I know I could do anything the *#%$ I wanted and get away with it, knowing I wouldn't catch an @**whoopin' or any type of punishment.

Some of ya'll dudes are pure butterscotch soft.

 

[JD617]

Originally Posted by Ricardo Malta

I would love to be the child of some of ya'll. I know I could do anything the *#%$ I wanted and get away with it, knowing I wouldn't catch an @** whoopin' or any type of punishment.

Some of ya'll dudes are pure butterscotch soft.

Yup. As long as you didn't get convicted of anything in a court of law.

But I'm the one who's soft, right LilStarZ?

 

[mbiii]

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

Originally Posted by DaJoka004

Originally Posted by MBIII

I agree with you LilStar...i would agree with the suspension if he was arrested...Besides, who really knows besides pac and the bodyguard what really went on in that hotel room...

Certainly you don't. So why don't you stop making assumptions about what happened? If Goodell is in the wrong here, the Players Association will be all over it. Since they haven't said a word, I think it's safe to bet that Goodell is okay.

Exactly....

Not a word from the players association....take this into consideration...the PA appealed IMMEDIATELY after Goodell issued Pac's 1 year suspension back in 07', and asked for a lesser ban.

again, those who are defending Pac are having a hard time grasping "zero tolerance." And it's not the same as borrowing a pencil

cherio.

so...if pac is driving down the road and throws a piece of trash out the window and a cop stops him and gives him a ticket for littering...he should getsuspended indefinitely since its zero tolerance because it counts as a "run in" with the law???...

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[Chester McFloppy]

Originally Posted by MBIII

so...if pac is driving down the road and throws a piece of trash out the window and a cop stops him and gives him a ticket for littering...he should get suspended indefinitely since its zero tolerance because it counts as a "run in" with the law???...

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If anything, he'd throw a stripper or a liquor bottle out a window.

 

[mbiii]

Originally Posted by Chester McFloppy

Originally Posted by MBIII

so...if pac is driving down the road and throws a piece of trash out the window and a cop stops him and gives him a ticket for littering...he should get suspended indefinitely since its zero tolerance because it counts as a "run in" with the law???...

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If anything, he'd throw a stripper or a liquor bottle out a window.

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[JD617]

Originally Posted by MBIII

so...if pac is driving down the road and throws a piece of trash out the window and a cop stops him and gives him a ticket for littering...he should get suspended indefinitely since its zero tolerance because it counts as a "run in" with the law???...

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He had an altercation with someone after he had been drinking. Exactly how most of his problems have started. Not the same as tossing something out a window.This is not a hard concept.

 

[devilmonx]

Originally Posted by MBIII

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

Originally Posted by DaJoka004

Originally Posted by MBIII

I agree with you LilStar...i would agree with the suspension if he was arrested...Besides, who really knows besides pac and the bodyguard what really went on in that hotel room...

Certainly you don't. So why don't you stop making assumptions about what happened? If Goodell is in the wrong here, the Players Association will be all over it. Since they haven't said a word, I think it's safe to bet that Goodell is okay.

Exactly....

Not a word from the players association....take this into consideration...the PA appealed IMMEDIATELY after Goodell issued Pac's 1 year suspension back in 07', and asked for a lesser ban.

again, those who are defending Pac are having a hard time grasping "zero tolerance." And it's not the same as borrowing a pencil

cherio.

so...if pac is driving down the road and throws a piece of trash out the window and a cop stops him and gives him a ticket for littering...he should get suspended indefinitely since its zero tolerance because it counts as a "run in" with the law???...

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Some of you guys.

This is a man who has been arrested 6 times, and has a felony conviction. I believe Goodell made it clear, that theterms of his reinstatment were that he would be on probation, and any incidents that propped up would be it. Remember, you have NO right to employment in the U.S., or in any country that I'm aware of. (I hear/read a lot ofposts from you guys complaining about how Stern/Goodell or whomever are going overboard -- e.g., in the NBA mandatory suit posts -- they can do whatever theywant unless they're violating Title VII or some other federal/state law. You want to work for them, you follow their rules.)

If Goodell had said that, "Sure, I'll let you work again but if you get so much as a littering violation you're out" then he would bejustified in tossing Pac out for littering. He didn't say that though. I don't know what happened in that hotel, neither do you, but the NFLinvestigated it and clearly Goodell felt that it was enough to warrant the suspension. Again, 6 arrests. 6. A felony voncition. How many arrests do youhave? I don't have 6. Many, if not most, employers won't hireanyone with a felony conviction.

If anything, I think Goodell was soft in letting Pac back in. We all saw this coming. Jerry Jones saw it coming -- why else would he hire a team of fourbodyguards to keep Pac out of trouble?

 

[doublejs07]

Originally Posted by MBIII

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

Originally Posted by DaJoka004

Originally Posted by MBIII

I agree with you LilStar...i would agree with the suspension if he was arrested...Besides, who really knows besides pac and the bodyguard what really went on in that hotel room...

Certainly you don't. So why don't you stop making assumptions about what happened? If Goodell is in the wrong here, the Players Association will be all over it. Since they haven't said a word, I think it's safe to bet that Goodell is okay.

Exactly....

Not a word from the players association....take this into consideration...the PA appealed IMMEDIATELY after Goodell issued Pac's 1 year suspension back in 07', and asked for a lesser ban.

again, those who are defending Pac are having a hard time grasping "zero tolerance." And it's not the same as borrowing a pencil

cherio.

so...if pac is driving down the road and throws a piece of trash out the window and a cop stops him and gives him a ticket for littering...he should get suspended indefinitely since its zero tolerance because it counts as a "run in" with the law???...

...

bro, you're reaching....since you like bolding what I say, why don't you address what I said about the players association not doinganything, Senator McCain?

 

[ezeblazin]

Let me just say that Emperor Goddell's conduct code is absolute BS and he can pretty much do whatever the hell he wants, since there is absolutely nosystem to it.

That being said, if Pacman previously agreed with Goddell that he would not use alcohol....and it is proven that this was an alcohol related incident... thenthere's no way anyone can reasonably argue that he shouldn't have been suspended.

Of course we don't really know the facts and stipulations of his reenstatement though

 

[mbiii]

im just saying !*$$ got blown out if proportion by the media...it wasnt really a big deal, he didnt hurt anybody and he didnt get arrested...thats all imsayin'

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[mbiii]

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

Originally Posted by MBIII

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

Originally Posted by DaJoka004

Originally Posted by MBIII

I agree with you LilStar...i would agree with the suspension if he was arrested...Besides, who really knows besides pac and the bodyguard what really went on in that hotel room...

Certainly you don't. So why don't you stop making assumptions about what happened? If Goodell is in the wrong here, the Players Association will be all over it. Since they haven't said a word, I think it's safe to bet that Goodell is okay.

Exactly....

Not a word from the players association....take this into consideration...the PA appealed IMMEDIATELY after Goodell issued Pac's 1 year suspension back in 07', and asked for a lesser ban.

again, those who are defending Pac are having a hard time grasping "zero tolerance." And it's not the same as borrowing a pencil

cherio.

so...if pac is driving down the road and throws a piece of trash out the window and a cop stops him and gives him a ticket for littering...he should get suspended indefinitely since its zero tolerance because it counts as a "run in" with the law???...

...

bro, you're reaching....since you like bolding what I say, why don't you address what I said about the players association not doing anything, Senator McCain?

alright...

you>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>me...

 

[ricardo malta]

so...if pac is driving down the road and throws a piece of trash out the window and a cop stops him and gives him a ticket for littering...he should get suspended indefinitely since its zero tolerance because it counts as a "run in" with the law???...
If one of the stipulations of his probation was to have no "run in" with the law and he does then yes he deserves to get suspended.

His probation stated he wasn't supposed to touch alcohol. He touched alcohol. He deserves to get suspended.

Call it unjust but those are the rules and you have to play by it. How hard is it to stay away from alcohol if your probation says to? Anybody in their rightmind who cared about their career would do anything they could to maintain it.

Some of ya'll dudes wouldn't last 2 minutes in the professional world

 

[doublejs07]

Originally Posted by ezeblazin

Let me just say that Emperor Goddell's conduct code is absolute BS and he can pretty much do whatever the hell he wants, since there is absolutely no system to it.

That being said, if Pacman previously agreed with Goddell that he would not use alcohol....and it is proven that this was an alcohol related incident... then there's no way anyone can reasonably argue that he shouldn't have been suspended.

Of course we don't really know the facts and stipulations of his reenstatement though

but Goodell does....and there has been NO action taken forth by the PA...all of which leads me to believe that there was sufficient evidenceagainst Pacman which led to his suspension and violation of his reinstatement. Zero tolerance under the conditions of his reinstatement (to me) means that ifPacman broke even ONE of the rules mandated by he and Goodell, there would be a good chance that he would face a suspension. Going back to the PA...theyappealed immediately after Goodell suspended him for the year. It was viewed as "harsh." The PA hasn't made one peep concerning his latestsuspension. What does that tell you?

 

[dajoka004]

Originally Posted by MBIII

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

Originally Posted by MBIII

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

Originally Posted by DaJoka004

Originally Posted by MBIII

I agree with you LilStar...i would agree with the suspension if he was arrested...Besides, who really knows besides pac and the bodyguard what really went on in that hotel room...

Certainly you don't. So why don't you stop making assumptions about what happened? If Goodell is in the wrong here, the Players Association will be all over it. Since they haven't said a word, I think it's safe to bet that Goodell is okay.

Exactly....

Not a word from the players association....take this into consideration...the PA appealed IMMEDIATELY after Goodell issued Pac's 1 year suspension back in 07', and asked for a lesser ban.

again, those who are defending Pac are having a hard time grasping "zero tolerance." And it's not the same as borrowing a pencil

cherio.

so...if pac is driving down the road and throws a piece of trash out the window and a cop stops him and gives him a ticket for littering...he should get suspended indefinitely since its zero tolerance because it counts as a "run in" with the law???...

...

bro, you're reaching....since you like bolding what I say, why don't you address what I said about the players association not doing anything, Senator McCain?

alright...

you>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>me...

Finally.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Pacman is being crucified for the sins of the entire NFL.

 

[ezeblazin]

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

Originally Posted by ezeblazin

Let me just say that Emperor Goddell's conduct code is absolute BS and he can pretty much do whatever the hell he wants, since there is absolutely no system to it.

That being said, if Pacman previously agreed with Goddell that he would not use alcohol....and it is proven that this was an alcohol related incident... then there's no way anyone can reasonably argue that he shouldn't have been suspended.

Of course we don't really know the facts and stipulations of his reenstatement though

but Goodell does....and there has been NO action taken forth by the PA...all of which leads me to believe that there was sufficient evidence against Pacman which led to his suspension and violation of his reinstatement. Zero tolerance under the conditions of his reinstatement (to me) means that if Pacman broke even ONE of the rules mandated by he and Goodell, there would be a good chance that he would face a suspension. Going back to the PA...they appealed immediately after Goodell suspended him for the year. It was viewed as "harsh." The PA hasn't made one peep concerning his latest suspension. What does that tell you?

I'm not denying it at all..... but Goddell has made plenty of decisions in the past solely based on his opinion of what's right and wrong....it'salmost pointless for us to debate though, because we just don't know. we can only hope that Roger made a fair decision.

 

[ballinboykz]

I understand why Goodell is suspending Pac. I dont agree with it, but I understand. There may be things that we do or do not know, but what are we going to doabout it? Like Joka and Nowitness said, the Players Association will step in if Goodell has overstepped his boundaries.

For this type of incident, I dont agree with the suspension. But, considering the history with Pac, I understand why Goodell suspended him.

 

[marionthebarberian]

DALLAS - Dallas police are raising questions about an officer's report of the Adam "Pacman" Jones scuffle that landed him an NFL suspension.

News 8 has learned that the department's command staff believes the officer intentionally omitted key details in his report - including the name of the troubled Dallas Cowboys cornerback.

As the party was going on inside the Joule Hotel on October 7, Officer Rodney Allen said he stopped to take in the sights and sounds.

News 8 has obtained a statement in which Allen in asked to detail what happened. He said he watched Adam Jones "exit the nice vehicle from the passenger side and enter the hotel."

This statement contradicts the original police statement, which states that by the time officers arrived, the disturbance had ended.

For Officer Allen and Adam Jones, it was just beginning.

It's unclear where the officer was inside or outside the hotel, but in his statement he says:

"As I admired the hotel designs, the hotel security advised me that something was going on in the restroom near the lobby."

That's when he heard a call on his police radio about a fight at the Joule.

Dallas police said Jones' bodyguard told them the Cowboys player punched him in the head when they were in a hotel bathroom.

Officer Allen told News 8 he heard a crash in the bathroom - that's when he broke up the scuffle.

Everyone was escorted out.

A second officer, Senior Cpl. Miguel Jamaica, said he observed Jones sitting in a car, "getting upset as he cried."

None of these details were mentioned in the original police report.

Now, Dallas police commanders are worried because - according to a memo to Chief David Kunkle - the "vagueness" of the report could "cast doubt on his [the officer] and the department's credibility."

Dallas commanders are hoping the hotel management will cooperate and tell them whether their officer is telling the truth.

Officer Allen has a lengthy history with the internal affairs office at the Dallas Police Department. He's been written up numerous times since 2002 for failure to complete a report, spreading rumors, untruthfulness and improper investigation.

 

[ezeblazin]

^^^hmmmm... interesting to say the least

 

[N41D]

Officer Allen has a lengthy history with the internal affairs office at the Dallas Police Department. He's been written up numerous times since 2002 for failure to complete a report, spreading rumors, untruthfulness and improper investigation.

PacMan is done...

 

[thachosen123]

Nowitness what are you getting from that report?

But berfoe you answer, jus know that I'm asking you cause I'm completely confused by that article, and not tryna start up a whole you right I'mwrong convo

 

[bigmike23]

Originally Posted by Nowitness41Dirk

Officer Allen has a lengthy history with the internal affairs office at the Dallas Police Department. He's been written up numerous times since 2002 for failure to complete a report, spreading rumors, untruthfulness and improper investigation.

PacMan is done...


y would he be done because of that?

 

[nyrapisback]

A second officer, Senior Cpl. Miguel Jamaica, said he observed Jones sitting in a car, "getting upset as he cried."

Pacman you %++%+-made

 

[nyrapisback]

On a serious note, I gotta a question:

If the above is true, and the officer broke up the fight, how does he know they were drinking when the altercation was in the restroom? There was noBreathalyzer test given? Where was the alchohol? And if there was alchohol, isn't it possible that Pacman wasn't drinking and the surrounding peoplewere? Wouldn't the bodyguard/security be aware that Pacman isn't supposed to be drinking which means liquor wouldn't have been there in the firstplace?

This whole thing makes no sense to me. If Jerry Jones personally hired this bodyguard, he obviously must know the history of Pacman. His history includes hissomewhat alchohol abuse. Knowing this, wouldn't "Tommy" prevent there from being alchohol in the area UNLESS the alchohol was NOT consumed byPac, but rather he, his girl, and his uncle?

This +$#! definitely is really really vague and alot of crap isn't adding up here.