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Ive got Sergio winning by ko 10 
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I'm just now about to catch the 24/7 on this fight, are there only 2 for these guys. Normally we get 3-4?
Gotta catch that Faceoff as well with Max K
Gotta catch that Faceoff as well with Max K
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I was having a hard time watching the ALL ACCESS when May first signed his showtime deal because the narration by Liev Shreiber on HBO 24/7 seemed more endearing but once ALL ACCESS got rid of Common doing the narration it kind of felt normal again, I don't know.
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I'm in the camp that says that Miguel Angel comes through this Saturday, and for a couple reasons.
1) MAC has had a beautiful resurgence recently with that fight over Delvin. Delvin is a BIG dude too, and Cotto destroyed him.
2) I'm not a believer in Maravilla anymore. 2009-2011? Beast. But he was lucky that the JCC Jr. fight didn't last another round, and I frankly thought he got outboxed and beat by Martin Murray.
Let's be real, who is going to be surprised if Sergio hits the mat on Saturday?
And this hypothetical Paquiao/Canelo fight..
I will say this. He's fought guys as skillful and quick as Canelo, but never anyone as powerful. Who's the most powerful guy he's fought? In terms of straight power punches, is it Cotto? Margarito was dangerous for a while, but his wins are all "wrapped," in controversy. Mosley was never a huge power puncher, and while JMM knocked Manny out cold, I think the best power puncher he's fought might've been Cotto.
1) MAC has had a beautiful resurgence recently with that fight over Delvin. Delvin is a BIG dude too, and Cotto destroyed him.
2) I'm not a believer in Maravilla anymore. 2009-2011? Beast. But he was lucky that the JCC Jr. fight didn't last another round, and I frankly thought he got outboxed and beat by Martin Murray.
Let's be real, who is going to be surprised if Sergio hits the mat on Saturday?
And this hypothetical Paquiao/Canelo fight..
I will say this. He's fought guys as skillful and quick as Canelo, but never anyone as powerful. Who's the most powerful guy he's fought? In terms of straight power punches, is it Cotto? Margarito was dangerous for a while, but his wins are all "wrapped," in controversy. Mosley was never a huge power puncher, and while JMM knocked Manny out cold, I think the best power puncher he's fought might've been Cotto.
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I'd pick Pacquiao to win, but he's not coming out unscathed.
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I'm in the camp that says that Miguel Angel comes through this Saturday, and for a couple reasons.
1) MAC has had a beautiful resurgence recently with that fight over Delvin. Delvin is a BIG dude too, and Cotto destroyed him.
2) I'm not a believer in Maravilla anymore. 2009-2011? Beast. But he was lucky that the JCC Jr. fight didn't last another round, and I frankly thought he got outboxed and beat by Martin Murray.
Let's be real, who is going to be surprised if Sergio hits the mat on Saturday?
And this hypothetical Paquiao/Canelo fight..
I will say this. He's fought guys as skillful and quick as Canelo, but never anyone as powerful. Who's the most powerful guy he's fought? In terms of straight power punches, is it Cotto? Margarito was dangerous for a while, but his wins are all "wrapped," in controversy. Mosley was never a huge power puncher, and while JMM knocked Manny out cold, I think the best power puncher he's fought might've been Cotto.
You say Cotto has had a recent resurgence, and then point to his win over Delvin as proof?
He worked Jr. for 11 rounds so bringing that fight up doesn't help your case, and in the Murray fight dude had a broken hand and ****** up knee.
Cotto is fighting a legit middleweight. Cotto has never looked good at 154 against legitimate competition so why should I believe an undersized Cotto at 154 can beat the top middleweight? And lets not act like age hasn't affected Cotto. This isn't the same Cotto from the past, age has taken a toll on him too.
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Martinez's knee has to be completely ****** in order for him to lose his fight. If his knee holds up, I don't see how Cotto survives this fight.
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Regardless of competition, Cotto looked great against Delvin Rodriguez. Is Delvin a great fighter? No, but Cotto could've played down to him. He didn't.
You can discount what happened to Sergio against Murray because of injuries if you want, but me?
Martinez has been knocked down three straight fights. Macklin, Chavez Jr., and Martin Murray. Martin Murray isn't even a big power puncher, and he knocked down Martinez twice (one wasn't counted; I feel incorrectly). JCC Jr. and Matthew Macklin don't have the KO% that Cotto does. I know Cotto is the smaller fighter, but he did alright against a larger opponent in Margarito (when there was NO controversy), a guy who knocked out Martinez.
I just don't have faith that Sergio won't get caught with one of the same shots that sent him to the canvas three straight fights in a row.
You can discount what happened to Sergio against Murray because of injuries if you want, but me?
Martinez has been knocked down three straight fights. Macklin, Chavez Jr., and Martin Murray. Martin Murray isn't even a big power puncher, and he knocked down Martinez twice (one wasn't counted; I feel incorrectly). JCC Jr. and Matthew Macklin don't have the KO% that Cotto does. I know Cotto is the smaller fighter, but he did alright against a larger opponent in Margarito (when there was NO controversy), a guy who knocked out Martinez.
I just don't have faith that Sergio won't get caught with one of the same shots that sent him to the canvas three straight fights in a row.
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I can't even give credit to Cotto for beating Margarito be Pacquiao had done all the work before him when he messed up the eye. Cotto was fighting a wounded fighter Delvin sucked anyway isn't even a legit fight.
Martinez is comibg off better opponents plus they were physically bigger/heavier on day of the fight
Martinez is comibg off better opponents plus they were physically bigger/heavier on day of the fight
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I don't understand when people say Cotto didn't carry his power to 154, I mean look at who he fought. Anyway, if Cotto knocks down Martinez once, he only needs to win 3 more rounds to win the fight.
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And that's why I'm thinking of MAC going over.
I'm not saying Sergio has no shot. Of course not, he has a great shot. I just think MAC is more likely to pull it out. That's all.
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We will agree to disagree.
That's the great thing about boxing, anything can happen.
I will eat my crow fried if Cotto wins, but I just can't see how he can beat Martinez.
It's going to be a great fight no matter what happens.
That's the great thing about boxing, anything can happen.
I will eat my crow fried if Cotto wins, but I just can't see how he can beat Martinez.
It's going to be a great fight no matter what happens.
What's next for GBP, Schaefer?
When Richard Schaefer resigned as chief executive of Golden Boy Promotions on Monday, it answered only one of the many questions about the situation -- namely, would he leave the company?
The answer was yes, as the long-rumored split between him and company president, co-founder and majority shareholder Oscar De La Hoya came to fruition after months of infighting. But now what? I don’t have all the answers, but I will try my best to answer some of the key questions.
What does this mean for Golden Boy/De La Hoya?
It means Golden Boy has lost the only CEO it has ever known, as well as pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather Jr., who has worked with Golden Boy on a fight-by-fight basis since 2007. After Schaefer announced his resignation, Mayweather followed him out the door, saying he would no longer have Golden Boy co-promote his events. That’s a huge financial hit to Golden Boy.
But De La Hoya brought Schaefer into his business and surely will find somebody else to run the company. Can that person be as successful in fostering relationships with networks, venues, sponsors, managers, fighters and media as Schaefer, who presided over the two richest pay-per-view events and two richest gates in boxing history? We’ll see.
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Golden Boy still has its output deal with Fox Sports 1 and several quality fighters under contract. With Schaefer out of the picture, the way is clear for De La Hoya and Top Rank promoter Bob Arum, his former promoter turned rival, to do business again in the wake of their recent reconciliation.
What does this mean for Schaefer?
Schaefer is a smart, hardworking, relentless businessman. He’ll be just fine. But will he start his own company? Will he go to work for Mayweather Promotions? Will he promote the many Al Haymon-advised fighters he used to promote at Golden Boy but who were not under formal Golden Boy promotional agreements? That was one of the issues that came between Schaefer and De La Hoya. The answers are unknown.
There’s also the question of Schaefer’s contractual status with Golden Boy. Schaefer resigned but remains a shareholder, and De La Hoya’s attorney claims that Schaefer is under contract through March 2018. This could get messy.
Even if a settlement is reached on the supposed signed employment agreement, what about a non-compete clause that would prevent Schaefer from promoting for a certain length of time? Those are hard to enforce in California, where Golden Boy operates. All of this is where the lawyers get involved.
Schaefer has been mum on his plans, but you can count on one thing: He will promote boxing in the future and will probably be successful.
Is Golden Boy going to work with Arum now that Schaefer is out of the way?
The short answer is definitely.
De La Hoya and Arum recently reconciled after many fierce battles between their companies. One of the issues between De La Hoya and Schaefer was De La Hoya’s desire to work with Arum again, and Schaefer’s refusal. With Schaefer gone, it’s only a matter of time until De La Hoya and Arum promote fights together.
The question, however, is: If the companies work together, what kind of fights can they make? It is unclear because nobody knows for sure which fighters Golden Boy has under contract and which fighters are strictly with Haymon. If Golden Boy has many of Haymon’s top welterweights under contract, it could open a good selection of opponents to face Manny Pacquiao, Timothy Bradley Jr. and Juan Manuel Marquez.
That brings us to the next question.
What does this mean for the fighters with Haymon who fight regularly on Golden Boy cards but are not under contract to the company?
Haymon could continue working with Golden Boy and leave things status quo. Or, as many expect, he could gut the company and steer those fighters to some other company, namely Mayweather Promotions or perhaps an entity Schaefer may found.
Besides star client Mayweather, Haymon has numerous name fighters in his vast stable. Among those who are associated with Golden Boy: Danny Garcia, Marcos Maidana, Adrien Broner, Lucas Matthysse, Amir Khan, Deontay Wilder, Peter Quillin, Shawn Porter, Keith Thurman, Erislandy Lara, Devon Alexander, Gary Russell Jr., Paulie Malignaggi, Sakio Bika, Robert Guerrero, Lamont Peterson, Daniel Jacobs, Andre Berto, Victor Ortiz, Jermell Charlo, Jermall Charlo and Luis Collazo, not to mention 2012 U.S. Olympians Errol Spence Jr. and Marcus Browne, two top prospects.
It is not clear which of those fighters are under contract to Golden Boy, but it is believed that Khan, Guerrero and Alexander are (although my understanding is that Alexander’s June 21 fight is the final fight of his deal). Some fighters are known to not be under contract, including Porter, Thurman, Russell, Berto, Peterson and the Olympians.
Does this have any impact on the possibility of Mayweather-Pacquiao?
None. Mayweather remains under contract to Showtime and is with Haymon. Mayweather has also repeatedly said he would not do business with Arum, who recently re-signed Pacquiao to a two-year contract extension. From what I am told, Arum got financial help from HBO in closing the Pacquiao deal and then pledged loyalty to HBO on Pacquiao fights. The two boxers will keep fighting on different networks, and the same problems remain as far as how to split the money and various other issues. Bottom line: Still no fight.
Is a Pacquiao-Canelo Alvarez fight now possible?
Technically, yes, since it would mean matching a Top Rank fighter with a Golden Boy fighter who is not with Haymon. However, realistically, it is unlikely. Alvarez is on the verge of moving up to middleweight, and Pacquiao, a small welterweight, has talked about moving down to junior welterweight. Besides, after Pacquiao’s tough fight a few years ago with junior middleweight Antonio Margarito, Pacquiao and trainer Freddie Roach said he would never fight that big of an opponent again. Even if they wanted to make the fight, it is unclear whether HBO has rights to Pacquiao (I believe it does) and whether Showtime has rights to Alvarez (I’m not sure beyond his July 19 fight).
Are any already-scheduled fights going to be canceled now?
No.
Where do Showtime and HBO stand in all of this?
Showtime has been the de facto home for Golden Boy’s major fights for the past couple of years, and Showtime Sports boss Stephen Espinoza is close to De La Hoya and Schaefer -- he used to be Golden Boy’s attorney. So he could continue doing Golden Boy fights if the promotion has the fighters who are ready for prime time. He could also keep working with the Haymon fighters and put on cards involving both factions.
As for HBO, it banned Golden Boy fighters -- and by extension Haymon fighters -- in early 2013 for various reasons. But HBO is also the main outlet for Top Rank’s major fights, and now that Top Rank and Golden Boy likely will work together again I expect Golden Boy fighters will be back on HBO soon. Haymon’s fighters? That’s another story. I don’t see them being welcome on HBO at this point.
The answer was yes, as the long-rumored split between him and company president, co-founder and majority shareholder Oscar De La Hoya came to fruition after months of infighting. But now what? I don’t have all the answers, but I will try my best to answer some of the key questions.
What does this mean for Golden Boy/De La Hoya?
It means Golden Boy has lost the only CEO it has ever known, as well as pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather Jr., who has worked with Golden Boy on a fight-by-fight basis since 2007. After Schaefer announced his resignation, Mayweather followed him out the door, saying he would no longer have Golden Boy co-promote his events. That’s a huge financial hit to Golden Boy.
But De La Hoya brought Schaefer into his business and surely will find somebody else to run the company. Can that person be as successful in fostering relationships with networks, venues, sponsors, managers, fighters and media as Schaefer, who presided over the two richest pay-per-view events and two richest gates in boxing history? We’ll see.
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Golden Boy still has its output deal with Fox Sports 1 and several quality fighters under contract. With Schaefer out of the picture, the way is clear for De La Hoya and Top Rank promoter Bob Arum, his former promoter turned rival, to do business again in the wake of their recent reconciliation.
What does this mean for Schaefer?
Schaefer is a smart, hardworking, relentless businessman. He’ll be just fine. But will he start his own company? Will he go to work for Mayweather Promotions? Will he promote the many Al Haymon-advised fighters he used to promote at Golden Boy but who were not under formal Golden Boy promotional agreements? That was one of the issues that came between Schaefer and De La Hoya. The answers are unknown.
There’s also the question of Schaefer’s contractual status with Golden Boy. Schaefer resigned but remains a shareholder, and De La Hoya’s attorney claims that Schaefer is under contract through March 2018. This could get messy.
Even if a settlement is reached on the supposed signed employment agreement, what about a non-compete clause that would prevent Schaefer from promoting for a certain length of time? Those are hard to enforce in California, where Golden Boy operates. All of this is where the lawyers get involved.
Schaefer has been mum on his plans, but you can count on one thing: He will promote boxing in the future and will probably be successful.
Is Golden Boy going to work with Arum now that Schaefer is out of the way?
The short answer is definitely.
De La Hoya and Arum recently reconciled after many fierce battles between their companies. One of the issues between De La Hoya and Schaefer was De La Hoya’s desire to work with Arum again, and Schaefer’s refusal. With Schaefer gone, it’s only a matter of time until De La Hoya and Arum promote fights together.
The question, however, is: If the companies work together, what kind of fights can they make? It is unclear because nobody knows for sure which fighters Golden Boy has under contract and which fighters are strictly with Haymon. If Golden Boy has many of Haymon’s top welterweights under contract, it could open a good selection of opponents to face Manny Pacquiao, Timothy Bradley Jr. and Juan Manuel Marquez.
That brings us to the next question.
What does this mean for the fighters with Haymon who fight regularly on Golden Boy cards but are not under contract to the company?
Haymon could continue working with Golden Boy and leave things status quo. Or, as many expect, he could gut the company and steer those fighters to some other company, namely Mayweather Promotions or perhaps an entity Schaefer may found.
Besides star client Mayweather, Haymon has numerous name fighters in his vast stable. Among those who are associated with Golden Boy: Danny Garcia, Marcos Maidana, Adrien Broner, Lucas Matthysse, Amir Khan, Deontay Wilder, Peter Quillin, Shawn Porter, Keith Thurman, Erislandy Lara, Devon Alexander, Gary Russell Jr., Paulie Malignaggi, Sakio Bika, Robert Guerrero, Lamont Peterson, Daniel Jacobs, Andre Berto, Victor Ortiz, Jermell Charlo, Jermall Charlo and Luis Collazo, not to mention 2012 U.S. Olympians Errol Spence Jr. and Marcus Browne, two top prospects.
It is not clear which of those fighters are under contract to Golden Boy, but it is believed that Khan, Guerrero and Alexander are (although my understanding is that Alexander’s June 21 fight is the final fight of his deal). Some fighters are known to not be under contract, including Porter, Thurman, Russell, Berto, Peterson and the Olympians.
Does this have any impact on the possibility of Mayweather-Pacquiao?
None. Mayweather remains under contract to Showtime and is with Haymon. Mayweather has also repeatedly said he would not do business with Arum, who recently re-signed Pacquiao to a two-year contract extension. From what I am told, Arum got financial help from HBO in closing the Pacquiao deal and then pledged loyalty to HBO on Pacquiao fights. The two boxers will keep fighting on different networks, and the same problems remain as far as how to split the money and various other issues. Bottom line: Still no fight.
Is a Pacquiao-Canelo Alvarez fight now possible?
Technically, yes, since it would mean matching a Top Rank fighter with a Golden Boy fighter who is not with Haymon. However, realistically, it is unlikely. Alvarez is on the verge of moving up to middleweight, and Pacquiao, a small welterweight, has talked about moving down to junior welterweight. Besides, after Pacquiao’s tough fight a few years ago with junior middleweight Antonio Margarito, Pacquiao and trainer Freddie Roach said he would never fight that big of an opponent again. Even if they wanted to make the fight, it is unclear whether HBO has rights to Pacquiao (I believe it does) and whether Showtime has rights to Alvarez (I’m not sure beyond his July 19 fight).
Are any already-scheduled fights going to be canceled now?
No.
Where do Showtime and HBO stand in all of this?
Showtime has been the de facto home for Golden Boy’s major fights for the past couple of years, and Showtime Sports boss Stephen Espinoza is close to De La Hoya and Schaefer -- he used to be Golden Boy’s attorney. So he could continue doing Golden Boy fights if the promotion has the fighters who are ready for prime time. He could also keep working with the Haymon fighters and put on cards involving both factions.
As for HBO, it banned Golden Boy fighters -- and by extension Haymon fighters -- in early 2013 for various reasons. But HBO is also the main outlet for Top Rank’s major fights, and now that Top Rank and Golden Boy likely will work together again I expect Golden Boy fighters will be back on HBO soon. Haymon’s fighters? That’s another story. I don’t see them being welcome on HBO at this point.
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Headed to Cotto/Martinez presser starting 1 PM EST. Rachel and Jen send their love.
I agree with "Showtime" needing a finish overseas, but Porter is a different animal confronting Brook. This ain't Matt Hatton out there.
MSG. Let's get it.Gennady Golovkin vs Danny Geale July 26th on HBO
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GGG's gonna fight in the actual arena this time around.
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Martinez really need 2 stone cold knee braces to fight?
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Samson talked the most smack. Predicts a "Maravilla" KO in Rounds 6-9. Sent multiple shots at Roach.
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What is your prediction? Using your brain, not your heart.
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I seriously don't know, man. I've thought long and hard about this fight. So many questions: Martinez's health, Cotto's body work, Roach's impact, Martinez's dwindling longevity. You?
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50-50. I'm almost disturbed that so many people are giving Cotto little to no chance. I expect Roach to have a solid game plan for Cotto that he derived from training Chavez Jr for Martinez. Like I suggested earlier, Cotto only has to make the fight look close to get the nod in MSG. Seems like most fans are torn since both are beloved fighters. Hence why I said using your brain, not your heart.
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It all depends on his knee. If Sergio is 100%, I don't see it for Cotto. Unless he absolutely abuses him down low with the left hook VERY early and gets him to protect more. But Cotto's not that kinda volume puncher anymore (if he ever was). I'm pulling for Cotto but I'll say Sergio in the 10th.
I just saw all the Canelo/Margarito banter a few pages back
I just saw all the Canelo/Margarito banter a few pages back
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Haven't even looked. What are the odds?
"Maravilla" said he's prepared for a war, Cotto responded saying the fans want and deserve a war. Let's see if both fighters hold true.
I'll go on record. Cotto, MD 114-113. We'll know in the first three rounds based on MAC's bodywork and Martinez's comfort level and fluidity in the ring. I think "Maravilla" secures a mid-round to late-round knockdown, hence the deducted point from Cotto's scorecard.It all depends on his knee. If Sergio is 100%, I don't see it for Cotto. Unless he absolutely abuses him down low with the left hook VERY early and gets him to protect more. But Cotto's not that kinda volume puncher anymore (if he ever was). I'm pulling for Cotto but I'll say Sergio in the 10th.
I just saw all the Canelo/Margarito banter a few pages back
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Maravilla is -225, Cotto +185. The Cotto by decision prop is juicy +425.
