QB THREAD - 2x quarterbacky award winner: Lamar Jackson

the Dolphins front office rewarded him with a hefty extension (four years, $77 million in new money) that made him the 10th highest paid quarterback in football.
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Cam Newton, 57% 2,466 yards, 20 TD, 9 INT, 89.5 rating , a Top 3 rusher in the NFL and a Top 2 Defense

Ryan 62%, 2,991 yards, 20 TD, 11 INT, 88.7 rating, a top 18 rusher in the NFL and a Top 26 Defense


#Context


Fast forward to the end of November. The Dolphins are 4-7, last in the AFC East. Injuries have plagued both the offensive and the defense. Head coach Joe Philbin was fired after a blowout loss to the Jets in London earlier this season, and offensive coordinator Bill Lazor was fired after a blowout loss to the Jets in New York on Sunday.
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Blame the QB.


He makes 4 million dollars this year. And isn't costing his team at all. (compared to the other 52 + coaches)

And will make 11 million next year.

Joe Philbin likely won't ever get another job in the NFL, nor will Mike Sherman. But somehow, blame Ryan for not being able to control the Dolphins and their entire roster, front office, owner, and coaching staff. :lol:

#ContextTho
 
Box score banditry striking again.

Newton and Tannehill aren't in the same breath in regards to this season.

Like negligent to talk about how Cam is a top 30 rusher himself or how Cam has lead his team to the playoff with a mediocre defense.

Tannehill stats have been alot garbage stats when the game has been already decided....Both Jets games, the Bills game, Patriots game. He played well vs the Titans and Texans.
 
Chester McFloppy said:
651akathepaul 651akathepaul please change the title of this thread to the Ryan Tannehill and Andrew Luck discussion.
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actually..speaking of Jaws...would like to get his latest take on Teddy. over the half way point. progressing as expected? kinda stagnant?

even with the ticket, i don't typically watch the vikings. so any of you that do, chime in
 
Or that he was playing hurt and shouldn't have been playing + his OC was terrible and was replaced?
 
At this point, I don't care. Chester said out troll them, so that's what I'm doing. They get away with it, I'm gonna rock it the same way. :lol:
 
Didn't the Colts win with just 27 yards rushing with Hasselback throwing over 40 times with no interceptions...there goes that narrative.

"It's the Buccaneers though"...I can already see those fools saying something like that.
 
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the AR12 struggle is far more interesting and surprising than Matt playing pretty well. This slide lasted way longer than I expected and now the media pressure is mounting
 
Originally Posted by eddiengambino  

This is how a 40-year-old backup is outperforming Andrew Luck, saving the Colts
Game manager is a catchall term that usually refers to any quarterback that isn’t in a pass heavy offense yet is still winning games with the help of a strong running game and/or defense. It has a negative connotation because the term gets misapplied to bad quarterbacks who aren’t actually managing the game at all. Game management though is an extremely important trait for a quarterback to have. And it’s the reason that the Colts are winning with Matt Hasselbeck, who has corrected one of the early-season failings of injured starter Andrew Luck.

Game management requires accomplishing all the little things that sustain drives. Avoiding turnovers, avoiding sacks, converting third downs and taking what the defense gives you are all tactics that keep the ball in the hands of your offense. This is the key difference between the two Colts quarterbacks.

Luck plays an extremely high-variance style of football and that leads to unintended consequences. Luck throws deep. A lot. His 10.1 average depth of target is seventh highest in the league. This is fine when your decision making and accuracy are in line with Luck’s numbers the last two years, but he’s taken huge steps back in both and is currently PFF’s lowest graded quarterback this season.

Luck, considered a potential MVP candidate entering the season sits among the league’s worst in accuracy (65.0 percent), turnover worthy throws rate (4.2 percent), and dropbacks under pressure (40.2 percent). The last one you might not assume is a quarterback statistic, but there is a reason why Peyton Manning leads the league in it almost every year and a reason why Hasselbeck’s only been under pressure on 27.3 percent of his dropbacks, the second lowest rate in the NFL, despite facing similar circumstances as Luck in Indy.

Hasselbeck doesn’t push the ball down the field nearly as often. In fact it’s not even close. Hasselbeck’s average depth of target is 7.8, over two yards shorter than Luck’s. The 40-year-old gets the ball out of his hand quickly with an average time to attempt of 2.32 seconds compared to Luck’s 2.67 seconds. That, combined with his veteran decision making, means that in the same offense Hasselbeck has an accuracy percentage over 10 points higher than Luck’s at 76.2 and Hasselbeck is making turnover worthy throws almost half as often at only 2.3 percent of his attempts. The result of more completions and fewer turnovers is obviously a more efficient offense.

The raw numbers aren’t staggering. Indy is averaging 20.4 points on offense when Luck starts and 21.3 when Hasselbeck starts, but take into account the fact that Hasselbeck’s ability to sustain drives means they’ve averaged only 11 drives per game when Hasselbeck starts compared to 13 under Luck. That makes Hasselbeck’s points per drive 1.93 while Luck sits at 1.57. That’s a sizable gap and it’s the difference between the 16th most efficient offense in the NFL and the 28th most efficient.

It’s not a surprise that Hasselbeck’s addition to the starting lineup has resulted in widespread change in the look of the offense, but it’s no coincidence that the defense has looked considerably better in the games Hasselbeck has started. Fewer drives means fewer opportunities for the opposition to score. Fewer turnovers and fewer three-and-outs means worse starting field position for the opposition.

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We’ve seen this play out perfectly in the Colts’ defensive drive stats. The defense in games Luck started allowed 2.1 points per drive and 28.1 yards per drive. Under Hasselbeck they’ve improved to only 1.5 points points per drive, despite their yards per drive against skyrocketing to 36.2. The defense hasn’t improved by leaps and bounds in the games under Hasselbeck, they’re simply being put in better situations.

At Matt Hasselbeck’s age, he’s obviously a limited quarterback and the Colts are not nearly talented enough for him to lead them through the playoffs. But as we’ve seen he’s still got more than enough in the tank to lead them through a muddled AFC South and has graded out as the best quarterback in the division. They can’t afford to have the early season version of Andrew Luck throwing away games the way he was. If he is hampered in any way that’s going to affect his performance, there should be no question that they go with Hasselbeck as the starter.

When Luck does return though, he and new offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski need to replicate this success under Hasselbeck. The injury to the Colts’ starting quarterback not only solved a lot of issues for the offense, but it also may have saved their season and served as a road map to get Luck back on the path to stardom.
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Luck sucked this year (shrugs)

Matt takes care of the ball and the offense has still been able to make enough plays to win. He's a smart QB, good pickup by the Colts

I do like that it promotes the term game manager as not being a negative term. I hate when it is used as one
 
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