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don west continues to take L's my goodnessR.I.P Trayvon
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don west continues to take L's my goodness
- Jan 2, 2010
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You're being too emotional. Think logically.
Evidence is just that--evidence. That doesn't mean that it is the 100% truth though, as far as testimonies go.
Yes, we all know Zimmerman is a coward. Only cowards call the police on a kid who appears to be 7-9 years old.
Yes, we know Martin had every right to be where he was that night. And it infuriates me that my people get profiled as "suspicious" for no damn reason.
Yes, we know that Zimmerman followed Trayvon and shot and killed him.
What we DON'T know is how it got to that point. Following someone doesn't always end in someone getting shot. Saying "******g punks" and "they always get away" doesn't always end in someone getting shot.
Do I believe that Zimmerman is liable for this situation? HELL YES. Do I think that his following of Trayvon may have led to Trayvon confronting Zimmerman? Yep. Do I believe that Trayvon had every right to confront the man who was following him? Without a doubt! I'd do the EXACT same thing, if that is how it really went down.
But all my opinions on the situation don't hold weight in a court of law. You don't convict people just because you "think" or "feel" they're guilty. There has to be PROOF. A dead body doesn't equal murder, in the true legal definition of the term. A dead body COULD equal murder, but if you didn't know every single detail of what happened up until that body dropped, couldn't it also equal self-defense? Of course it could. In a court of law, you can't take A + B + C and leave out D to get to E, if that makes sense. You have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the "D" part of that equation before you get to E.
Like I said, this situation is sad because the only person who knows the full story is Zimmerman. And he isn't snitching on himself.
Honestly, what really needs to be addressed is the ****** up Stand Your Ground law. That's the real culprit here because without that, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. It boggles my mind that you can initiate a confrontation by following someone and then kill that person in "self-defense" when they exercise their legal rights to stand their ground!
Everything you said was on point. "It's not what you know, it's what you can prove".
It's like he got tired of calling the cops on black kids so he thought long and hard about a way he could kill one and get away with it.
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This dude objects to everything. Haha
- Jul 19, 2012
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based on the logic im reading the last few pages, im basically hearing that if two people get into a scuffle and the other person shoots them...
the shooter is beating the case if no one sees the crime... the end.
if the State can't prove you weren't defending yourself, case closed.... the Defense doesn't even have to make a case that IS WAS self defense
is that what im reading?
the shooter is beating the case if no one sees the crime... the end.
if the State can't prove you weren't defending yourself, case closed.... the Defense doesn't even have to make a case that IS WAS self defense
is that what im reading?
- Jun 20, 2005
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That's not how the law works and that's not how jury instructions are stated. There is NO BURDEN on the defense to prove it was self-defense. None. The defense doesn't have to make any case that it was self-defense. If Florida doesn't prove BARD that it wasn't self defense, the jury HAS TO ANSWER YES to the question of whether or not it was self defense.
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I get what you're saying... BUT the burden of proof does lie with the state. The defense does try to "create" reasonable doubt so I kinda see what you mean, but the actual burden of proving that it occurred beyond a reasonable doubt lies on the prosecution. If the state cannot prove that it happened beyond a reasonable doubt, then he will not be convicted of second degree murder... no matter what the defense proves or doesn't prove...
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This guy's like the donut hole version of Carl Winslow.
- May 23, 2005
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so what are the outlines for someone to be convicted of 2nd degree murder?
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so basically ****** can just shoot people as long as no one is around to see it and claim self-defense....
all that's required is a few injuries... some screaming would be good too
all that's required is a few injuries... some screaming would be good too
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Witness says GZ was calm and coherent. Even mentioned what type of gun he had Who remembers small details after a crazy scuffle?
Man. If I shoot someone accidentally or even in GZs case through "self defense". One should either be so emotional you can't understand them, or a bit furious after getting into a fist fight that you still have some adrenaline left in you. And you're still a bit heated.
I realize all people are different. But this is just a bit scary how non emotional he was. You gotta be at either of extremes unless he had done this before.
Who remembers small details after a crazy scuffle?Man. If I shoot someone accidentally or even in GZs case through "self defense". One should either be so emotional you can't understand them, or a bit furious after getting into a fist fight that you still have some adrenaline left in you. And you're still a bit heated.
I realize all people are different. But this is just a bit scary how non emotional he was. You gotta be at either of extremes unless he had done this before.
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That is why Florida's self defense laws were criticized.
celticsfan9783
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Witness says GZ was calm and coherent. Even mentioned what type of gun he had
Man. If I shoot someone accidentally or even in GZs case through "self defense". One should either be so emotional you can't understand them, or a bit furious after getting into a fist fight that you still have some adrenaline left in you. And you're still a bit heated.
I realize all people are different. But this is just a bit scary how non emotional he was. You gotta be at either of extremes unless he had done this before.
There's clearly something off about him. I mean c'mon he used 9-1-1 like it was his own personal 2-way police radio and he was dispatching. He thought he was waaaaaay more important than he was. Definitely doesn't appear to be a remorseful person.
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i thought u were on zimmermans side seems like u changed ur position a lilWitness says GZ was calm and coherent. Even mentioned what type of gun he had
Man. If I shoot someone accidentally or even in GZs case through "self defense". One should either be so emotional you can't understand them, or a bit furious after getting into a fist fight that you still have some adrenaline left in you. And you're still a bit heated.
I realize all people are different. But this is just a bit scary how non emotional he was. You gotta be at either of extremes unless he had done this before.
There's clearly something off about him. I mean c'mon he used 9-1-1 like it was his own personal 2-way police radio and he was dispatching. He thought he was waaaaaay more important than he was. Definitely doesn't appear to be a remorseful person.
superblytrife
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Yes! That's the Stand Your Ground law for you, and that is exactly why it gets criticized like it does.
The premise of it is honorable, but the implementation is horribly executed.
gllahone84
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This.
How his ego became so inflated I would like to know?
Community watching is serious.
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I just read up on FL specifically and did not realize how different it is from other states....
I might need to move the **** up outta here.... girlfriend **** around and run face first into the wall, scream, shoot me, claim self defense, and then beat the case
*****.
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Here's the statute in Florida:
The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
- May 23, 2005
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if u gotta worry about that maybe u should just find a new girlfriend
celticsfan9783
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Based on what? I was/am interested in fact finding.
Dudes thought I chose a side because I didn't choose a side, which is idiotic.
I'm interested in the law and applying the evidence to those laws, which is what a trial is for.
People like CASHBanks, MikeJeffJo, etc. aren't intelligent enough to interpret an opinion without letting their emotions take over them like a body snatcher.
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oh ok what do YOU believe then? just curious
Based on what? I was/am interested in fact finding.
Dudes thought I chose a side because I didn't choose a side, which is idiotic.
I'm interested in the law and applying the evidence to those laws, which is what a trial is for.
People like CASHBanks, MikeJeffJo, etc. aren't intelligent enough to interpret an opinion without letting their emotions take over them like a body snatcher.
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i asked earlier not sure if answered but how come they havent or have they called in ballistic experts or whatever they arw called that can tell from which trajectory the bullet was fired so that way they can tell who was on top
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LOL... you never know... the crazy be coming out of ******* at randomif u gotta worry about that maybe u should just find a new girlfriend
superblytrife
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His ego was/is essentially lacking. Look at his actions: was a bouncer, self-appointed community watch, wanted to be a cop, took MMA classes, rode around with a loaded gun on his hip while allegedly going to a grocery store.
All these actions were to pump himself up because deep down, he felt he wasn't ****. These are all "fake, tough guy" actions, IMO. Not to put every cop in a box, but Zimmerman fits the profile of one pretty good. A lot of cops (and those that want to be cops) lack self-esteem, hence them wanting to be in a place of authority and power. They feel useless without their guns to protect them, hence them always carrying.
Look at the dude--buddy looks terry cloth soft. The guy is a dweeb who felt the need to place himself in positions of authority, or at least those where he thought he had authority. Basically he's delusional.
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are y'all at work watching this?
home and off work?
home and unemployed? lol...
just curious..... im at work watching it in the corner of my monitor trying to multi-task...
home and off work?
home and unemployed? lol...
just curious..... im at work watching it in the corner of my monitor trying to multi-task...
gllahone84
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Good post.His ego was/is essentially lacking. Look at his actions: was a bouncer, self-appointed community watch, wanted to be a cop, took MMA classes, rode around with a loaded gun on his hip while allegedly going to a grocery store.
All these actions were to pump himself up because deep down, he felt he wasn't ****. These are all "fake, tough guy" actions, IMO. Not to put every cop in a box, but Zimmerman fits the profile of one pretty good. A lot of cops (and those that want to be cops) lack self-esteem, hence them wanting to be in a place of authority and power. They feel useless without their guns to protect them, hence them always carrying.
Look at the dude--buddy looks terry cloth soft. The guy is a dweeb who felt the need to place himself in positions of authority, or at least those where he thought he had authority. Basically he's delusional.
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