RACISM on NT

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There are racists everywhere. NT has had a fair share of them, but a lot less than any online community I have been in. Still a noticeable blip though.

I see Rex point though, he knows what he said in the past was wrong, but to make him a prime example of why to not ban people with perceived ignorance or racist comments quickly is kinda of a disservice to Rex’s character improvement.

I will admit I was a lot more ignorant to society issues 6 years ago compared to now, but views change over time, and I would kind of be a little upset if someone were to tell me, “hey you were such an ignorant person back then, be glad I didn’t censor you”, when you weren’t purposely trying to be a bad person.

Everyone is different though, and I know some people post views on here that are obviously to antagonize members, and aren’t looking for any fruitful understanding. So I can also see why Meth has a hard time trying to weigh which ones are trying real hard to be a disrupters and those that are here trying to actually hold a genuine conversation.

The one thing I like most about this website is that the community has a feeling of self improvement and valuable advice given daily with positive vibes. A lot of things to learn for a sneaker website lol
 
In the past, I would have typed and typed and filled up a half dozen pages worth of text. I'm too old for that now. I also want to avoid any adversarial discussion with you since I respect you a great deal.

I am just very sad that you doubt my commitment to justice: economic, social, racial and gender justice. Your arguments are sound but this exchange still feels like a gut punch.


BTW, I would not have shown the same amount of patience that you showed when faced with a series of problematic posts that talked about a "culture of poverty." You're a better and more patient man than me.
There's a distinction to be made between who you were at 20 and who you are today. The same could be said of almost all of us, though likely not to the same extent.

Indeed, the reason your name is invoked in these sorts of situations is precisely because you've changed. Not only that, but you're the best example of that change I can think of in our community's now 18 year history.

For the sake of fairness, it's arguably better to give users enough rope to hang themselves than to ban them for what we assume they think, or for what they're likely to do. Unfortunately, that means waiting until they attempt to cause harm. When they don't cross that line, they can still be irritants, if not antagonists, and the fear is that, in aggregate, they poison the well.

For better or worse, you've been the best example of why patience and understanding can pay off.

That's an insult to Rexanglorum circa 2009, but it's a compliment to you today. You've come a long way.

Where I have disagreed with 2017 Rex, in regards to today's posts, is with your assessment of who you were back then and the self-serving distinction you've created ("real racists" vs. those who merely served as apologists for racial inequality via cultural, rather than biological, explanations). I also believe we should prioritize the central issue: trying to make everyone feel safe, welcome, and respected on our forums. I've tried to put this ahead of my own "hurt feelings" over criticism of our staff's responses to racism - as that task is of paramount importance. Effect matters infinitely more than intentions.

However limited by circumstance, we all have some degree of freedom and choice in how we conduct ourselves. We do not, however, have the luxury of deciding how others are permitted to interpret our actions.

If you stand on my foot, you don't get to decide whether or not my pain is legitimate or worthy of consideration, merely because you didn't intend any harm. Moreover, if you cease standing on my foot, I'm not obligated to forget about it. I'd be wise not to.

Nawghtyhare explained this well.

i mean
just cause a person changed for the better
doesn't mean
that everyone that had interaction with said person
has to forget the things they did
i may be wrong
but is that why u feel like its a gut punch
that since u changed
its "all good"
as a bystander to u and meths discussion with each other
im curious on why u feel like that???
i mean sometimes the truth about a person or their past can hurt
but many folks have said
u have done a complete 180

History is filled with examples of those who've reformed in some way or another. I know you're familiar with Hugo Black, for example. He went from joining the KKK to ruling in favor of the plaintiff in Brown v. Board. That certainly qualifies as progress - though that progress was, itself, qualified by his opinion in Korematsu v. United States.

As Dr. Bryan Stevenson of the Equal Justice Initiative often reminds us, we're all more than the worst thing we've ever done.

I don't like the idea of throwing people away. I tried my best not to give up on you as a human being during your time here, difficult as that was. When you resurfaced some years back, with a dramatically different and, from my perspective, better informed outlook, I found it inspiring.

John Newton, Hugo Black, and the subjects of other "redemption" stories aren't inspiring because they become peerless paragons of virtue - but because they demonstrate the human capacity for change.

I can understand why you'd want to distance yourself from and sanitize your past behavior, but you're a more effective advocate because of your past. You're a bridge to all the other 200X Rexanglora out there.

As a result, you can reach a lot of people that others can't, and help them take a positive step forward in their own journeys.


Here's my challenge with this:

While you're a great example of what can happen when we don't throw people away, and sort of a "best case scenario" for demonstrating patience for those who promote what might be called (kindly or harshly, depending on your perspective) "diet racism", it's a hard trade to make.

If we'd banned you outright, you'd still have read Tim Wise et al. You'd still have managed to become better educated on social justice issues.

How many people were hurt by what you posted in the interim? How many may have left the community entirely because of Rex & TBone & blco & ryanjumpman & so on?

That isn't undone because you changed. It happened. And I have to accept that we allowed it to happen, because we drew the line at overt racism.



I'm a believer in well-facilitated dialog. I've seen it work in a variety of settings, and it's long been my hope that it could work here, with the unique opportunity we have to connect people.

But it is not and should not be every person of color's job to "save" or educate racists.

For many people, NikeTalk is a hangout spot. It's a place to relax, be yourself, and enjoy the company of like-minded others from around the world.

If I'm exercising every ounce of self-restraint I have to refrain from kicking Tucker Carlson in the head, I'm not enjoying myself - and I'm certainly not relaxing.

There's a real human cost there, and it's such a hard balance to strike that I truly do empathize with those who would rather we just toss people out the moment they give us cause to suspect that they are in some way prejudiced. Goodness knows we deserve a break from bigotry, and we all know it's not Twitter.

Yet I keep coming back to the possibility that our community can, in some small way, be a force for good and can improve people's lives in ways beyond entertainment.

The right thing is often the hardest thing to do.
 
I'm only on page 4 but that zyzz/Bert dude IS middle America. The very definition of it, in all of its versions and iterations.

Meth is a black dude from D.C.

And ninjahood should be called out as often as possible, we don't need that on here.

I'm happy to be on a forum where we call that BS out. Keep up the good work, fades gettin ran in the political thread, black culture discussion thread, Kaep thread, etc...
 
u do have ninjahood ninjahood name in ur mouth a lot
even threads not relating to him u bring him up

NT Street Fighter.

The stage could be either on 183rd and St Nick in front of Lucky 7’s

Or somewhere in Vegas with Rusty’s bae Tomi being the ring girl throwing foreign objects into the ring.

duke won't show his face out here tells me anything i ever need to know bout him, ill just keep letting him bloviate about me till he slips up and he's out da paint, simple.

da poor sap thinks im banned from a thread i have no interest in going in at da moment.(got everything i wanted, da checked flag been flown)

general rule of thumb, when you're obsessed with someone at levels that resemble Stanism and da reciprocal relationship is da person wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire, maybe they need to reevaluate their situation, just saying.
 
Zyzz showed more concern with the NT fitted release than he does with race and how it impacts those directly impacted by it.

on a message board called Niketalk, that's da balance that's da most context appropriate scenario i expect here.

yo Bert. Bert. steer clear of these dumpster fire race baiting threads waterfalls, u good out here b...stick to da authentic jersey/celebrity rockin heat/fitted thread lakes that you're used to.
 
on a message board called Niketalk, that's da balance that's da most context appropriate scenario i expect here.

yo Bert. Bert. steer clear of these dumpster fire race baiting threads waterfalls, u good out here b...stick to da authentic jersey/celebrity rockin heat/fitted thread lakes that you're used to.
You need to follow your own advice stay out of race and politics threads and stick to music, jewelery, and clothes.
 
duke won't show his face out here tells me anything i ever need to know bout him, ill just keep letting him bloviate about me till he slips up and he's out da paint, simple.

da poor sap thinks im banned from a thread i have no interest in going in at da moment.(got everything i wanted, da checked flag been flown)

general rule of thumb, when you're obsessed with someone at levels that resemble Stanism and da reciprocal relationship is da person wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire, maybe they need to reevaluate their situation, just saying.
I know your *** got suspended for name calling and being all around xenophobic and frankly racist. Meth gave you yet another break, that is it. The irony of that situation is that you run to him for cover so much and that time it backfired.

I won't post pictures of myself because even though I am not on any social media sites, I am a semi public figure so my information including my places of employment can me easily found. And I do not want anything I say on NT blowing back on me in the real world. The Political and social views I am not worried about, since I say exactly the same in my real life. But I admittedly have made a lot of jokes in poor tastes on NT.

I mean someone like you that has a long history of snitching online and offline might find that option appealing after I correct you on economics or simple math. I value my privacy too, and am not as thristy for e-fame like you.

Lastly, I know you have an inflated ego and think I am obsessed with you but that is hardly the case. If Meth does not feel that clipping you for your racial ignorance and imo straight up racist comments is the right course of action, then fine, gotta deal with it. I see where he is coming from. However, I thought that someone had to at least beat back some of that vile nonsense you spew. And that is not unique to you, you can ask him yourself, I had nearly the same issues with Blco (and many others)

And as for looking at my situation, all I have to say is L O L. I could clapback in so many ways but to be honest at this point I have no desire to pick that low hanging fruit and make the obvious joke. Let me just say, my situation is not yours, so because of that I am quite happy with my situation.

Be blessed Edwin, and miss me with your buffoonery
 
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know your *** got suspended for name calling and being all around xenophobic and frankly racist

Wrong again loud mouth, meth doesn't like when i swing back.

I won't post pictures of myself because even though I am not on any social media sites, I am a semi public figure so my information including my places of employment can me easily found. And I do not want anything I say on NT blowing back on me in the real world

oh so what you're saying is your a coward that throw stones and hides behind anonymous SN to launch salvos behind your perverted social(ist) justice perception of morality.

do me a favor b, keep my name out your mouth, i already told meth was poppin wit u and how you insist on clinging to me as your foil to proselytize your propaganda... every time you slander me imma report it, and you can go hang wit your Bestie Blco who you seem to yearn about as well.

your ilk is why people avoid general, and soon NT all together.
 
Zyzz showed more concern with the NT fitted release than he does with race and how it impacts those directly impacted by it.

:lol

Why is my name still being brought up? Y’all the racist ones since everyone attacking me everytime over dumb ****

I never said anything, all I said was to ban the ones who derail threads purposely with race fueled comments when the actual thread and conversation has nothing to do with race.... which seems to happen a lot more often now for zero reason

How doesn’t that make sense? Because I am not saying race talk or talks regarding racisim can’t be held but to be purposely being forced in every thread... that’s annoying

Y’all soft AF if you’re taking my comment sideways or wrong but it’s 2017, you guys are offended by everything now so I’ll stop talking before you guys gang up on me and cry some more over absokutely nothing
 
Oh damn, they gettin' it in right now.
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I know your *** got suspended for name calling and being all around xenophobic and frankly racist. Meth gave you yet another break, that is it. The irony of that situation is that you run to him for cover so much and that time it backfired.

I won't post pictures of myself because even though I am not on any social media sites, I am a semi public figure so my information including my places of employment can me easily found. And I do not want anything I say on NT blowing back on me in the real world. The Political and social views I am not worried about, since I say exactly the same in my real life. But I admittedly have made a lot of jokes in poor tastes on NT.

I mean someone like you that has a long history of snitching online and offline might find that option appealing after I correct you on economics or simple math. I value my privacy too, and am not as thristy for e-fame like you.

Lastly, I know you have an inflated ego and think I am obsessed with you but that is hardly the case. If Meth does not feel that clipping you for your racial ignorance and imo straight up racist comments is the right course of action, then fine, gotta deal with it. I see where he is coming from. However, I thought that someone had to at least beat back some of that vile nonsense you spew. And that is not unique to you, you can ask him yourself, I had nearly the same issues with Blco (and many others)

And as for looking at my situation, all I have to say is L O L. I could clapback in so many ways but to be honest at this point I have no desire to pick that low hanging fruit and make the obvious joke. Let me just say, my situation is not yours, so because of that I am quite happy with my situation.

Be blessed Edwin, and miss me with your buffoonery
Are you famous?
 
:lol:

Why is my name still being brought up? Y’all the racist ones since everyone attacking me everytime over dumb ****

I never said anything, all I said was to ban the ones who derail threads purposely with race fueled comments when the actual thread and conversation has nothing to do with race.... which seems to happen a lot more often now for zero reason

How doesn’t that make sense? Because I am not saying race talk or talks regarding racisim can’t be held but to be purposely being forced in every thread... that’s annoying

Y’all soft AF if you’re taking my comment sideways or wrong but it’s 2017, you guys are offended by everything now so I’ll stop talking before you guys gang up on me and cry some more over absokutely nothing
-I am not the racist, you are the racist

-Wants people bringing up racism when you don't like banned.

-I am cool with racism being talked about, just do it on your own time.

-People are just soft in 2017.

-Getting upsetting over racism is getting upset over nothing.

Like do you have a list of white fragility deflections you are just checking off?

Like I said, you are not being reasonable, you as just entitled as hell. Like always
 
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