That doesn't really equate to "the majority of Asian people worship white people" tho
You should sample that Smartfood popcorn the next time you're at the store btw...it's pretty good
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That doesn't really equate to "the majority of Asian people worship white people" tho
You should sample that Smartfood popcorn the next time you're at the store btw...it's pretty good
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I didn’t say that
Just giving my take in what I see
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I don’t want to be white .. I’m Asian if that matters
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Already stated I’m not a popcorn eater
Especially a cheddar flavor
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Ur Asian ???
I swear we really do need a pyp
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Whether or not Asian people generally aspire to whiteness (which I think they do), I would say they (East Asians) have been socialized into whiteness more so than any other minority group. I am half Black and half Asian and I would definitely say my fully Asian cousins have had a much easier time fitting into and being accepted in white spaces. They are not met with the same level of exclusion and discomfort that I or my fully black cousins or friends are met with when engaging with groups of white people.
Why is that? Although the construction of the East Asian racial identity has been othered in comparison to normative whiteness, the characteristics attributed to it are more benign in comparison to the characteristics attributed to those who are black and brown in our society. East Asians are not demonized. East Asians are not presumed to be intellectually deficient. East Asians suffer less from the white supremacist beauty standards of America. All this means they suffer less exclusion from positions of POWER. POWER is really what is key in social analysis.
Like most people who hold some amount of power in a hierarchical social system, they do exercise it in ways that are harmful to those who are placed beneath them. Some of the most demoralizing and racist things I have heard come from my Mom, my Grandma and other Asian people. In regards to aspiring to whiteness, I think the orientation they hold (somewhat high up on this ladder of white supremacy) gives them the motivation to springboard in even closer proximity to whiteness. They may not want to "be white" but the power..... they might want that.
I'm not trying to paint East Asian Americans as evil lol. I don't think half my family is evil but I do think they do take advantage of the privilege that the concept of race in America has given and naturally seek to gain more from it.
Also, the desire for white skin thing is more of an arbitrary cultural phenomenon that existed even before colonization. I don't think its a stretch to say that colonization enhanced it though.
Why is that? Although the construction of the East Asian racial identity has been othered in comparison to normative whiteness, the characteristics attributed to it are more benign in comparison to the characteristics attributed to those who are black and brown in our society. East Asians are not demonized. East Asians are not presumed to be intellectually deficient. East Asians suffer less from the white supremacist beauty standards of America. All this means they suffer less exclusion from positions of POWER. POWER is really what is key in social analysis.
Like most people who hold some amount of power in a hierarchical social system, they do exercise it in ways that are harmful to those who are placed beneath them. Some of the most demoralizing and racist things I have heard come from my Mom, my Grandma and other Asian people. In regards to aspiring to whiteness, I think the orientation they hold (somewhat high up on this ladder of white supremacy) gives them the motivation to springboard in even closer proximity to whiteness. They may not want to "be white" but the power..... they might want that.
I'm not trying to paint East Asian Americans as evil lol. I don't think half my family is evil but I do think they do take advantage of the privilege that the concept of race in America has given and naturally seek to gain more from it.
Also, the desire for white skin thing is more of an arbitrary cultural phenomenon that existed even before colonization. I don't think its a stretch to say that colonization enhanced it though.
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What’s with these long responses
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Bay Area Asians.....something is in that water 
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What? Yall not a fan of cheddar cheese popcorn? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
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I used to run like hell after the ice cream truck for these right here.
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Bay Area AsiansBay Area Asians.....something is in that water
Like to appropriate black culture when it suites them
EDIT: not all Asians of course
E. Asians are seen as mentally and physically inferior.
E. Asians are seen as socially awkward people
E. Asian men do not meet the beauty standards of the west while the west over sexualizes Asian women.
I believe Asian men and Black women are seen as the least wanted people in terms of relationships.
The west has demonized the Chinese if you look back at Chinese American history.
You rarely see an Asian man in a position of power in America. Sure, you may see them have a well paying job, but its not a job where they're the CEO, etc.
African Americans suffering more in America doesn't mean that other minorities don't/didnt't suffer. And because Asian Americans havent suffered as much as African Americans doesnt mean that all Asian Americans want to be "white."
Asian American women are surrounded by constant images of white men in advertisements, TV shows, movies, etc. While Hollywood uses Asian men as stereotypical roles. Just by the concept of nurture, why else do you think it seems like Asian women tend to be dating white men?
If you ever go to Korea, you'd see the opposite. Many western women in relationships with Korean men.
And some of the most demoralizing and racist things I heard came from black people. whats your point?
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The point for that last part should be old ppl are racist 
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I do feel the need to push back a bit. I know why you cite my name in these sorts of threads when you urge other members to show patience when faced with problematic views. Nevertheless, I am worried that newer members might think that my pre 2014 history is on par with the more recent Trump supporting racists.
A decade ago, I was wrong about the extent of white supremacy's power and the I incorrectly thought that unrestrained flows of capital were the way to address racial and economic inequalities. While I was wrong on the economics and the politics, I was concerned about inequality, including racial inequality.
Now, there was some quasi trolling and I also broke other rules of this community and I thank you for not banning me at the time. Those transgressions were a result of my lack of propriety and not a disregard for other people's humanity.
I'll own all my errors of decorum and public policy analysis and sociological analysis but I just want to make clear I was never some white nationalist bigot who wanted genocide and who avoided being banned due to my ability to cleverly circumvent the ROC. If I had thought that people of color were genetically inferior or that there should be a national, white homeland, I would have posted such and then been banned and it would have been an easy decision for you.
I'll keep on making posts and engaging members in a positive way so that one day you will unambiguously not regret your past restraint but please let it be known that I was never even in the same league with this crop of pro Trump zealots who really do believe that people of color are less worthy of basic human rights and respect and dignity. Today's bigots are laying the intellectual and moral ground work for future subjugation and genocides of people of color. These people have accepted that there will never be enough resources to provide everyone with a decent life so they use white identity politics to sort humanity into the category of worthy and unworthy. I never would have been down with that, my 2008 self would have asked how do we make enough resources available so that such brutal economic triage will never have to happen.
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Battle of the paragraphs has begun
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didnt read thread but i think the site should have a free for all password protected section (for sponsors and site content ratings and ****)
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The **** is goin on in here lol
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The mentally inferior thing I just don't find that to be true today. It was true during westward expansion when Chinese people were practically enslaved to build railroads but just like stereotypes of Irish and Italians they're not true today. All in all, I'm not denying there are negative stereotypes Asians.
A high paying job is still a position power and a racial group having a larger segment of its population as members of the upper middle class is extremely significant. And the second sentence is a response to something I didn't say. Aspiring to be "white" and aspiring to attain "whiteness" (which is more of a position in a society) are different things.
Nowhere did I say other minorities don't suffer.
Ok I get that and the upholding of white as the norm and beautiful is bad but I want to have a larger discussion about the collective power of different racial groups in society.
I have different views on what's considered racist and what's considered prejudice but yea this part didn't really help my point. lmao u right
My point can be summed up in the movie Get Out. You should see it if you haven't already. There was an Asian man who was a part of the Coagula that was willing to engage in the enslavement of black bodies. While the Asian man is not completely "white" and not the most powerful in the group he still has enough power to engage in this colonization. If you want evidence of this today look at China engaging in neocolonialism of Africa. Some people are gonna say "it's just benign investment that's mutually beneficial" miss me with that ******** they're building a lot of political leverage.
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Zyzz doesn't spend time in the political thread. Even i dont spend alot of time in there and i can see subtle racial discrimination
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lol wym. Richard Spencer young as hellThe point for that last part should be old ppl are racist
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I realize that distinction is important to you and I have no problem further clarifying my comments, but I don't think you have a perfect recollection of exactly the sorts of things you defended during those days. Rather than put you on blast here with a laundry list of offensive positions you once argued, I'm happy to take some time to discuss via PM. It's not really central to the point I was making.
I imagine it frustrates you to have your past repeatedly brought up. Unfortunately, I can't think of any other examples of users who've "reformed" in the same way, who made certain types of offensive statements and later recanted them, rather than slipping up and rendering, in explicit terms, that which was merely implied by serving as an apologist for racial inequality.
You were a determined, if not belligerent, proponent of "culture of poverty" explanations for social inequality, including racial inequality. While that was the "new Coke" of scientific racism in the 1980's, and distinct from biological inferiority, its policy prescriptions were about far more than mere "post-racial" denials of culpability. What are attempts to justify, if not sanctify, contemporary racial inequality if not laying the groundwork for continued subjugation?
That you considered the status quo "better than the alternative," rather than an ideal goal state, offered little salve. You routinely dismissed or minimized the persistence of racism and the experiences of those made to endure it. How would you interpret such sentiments today?
We have lost some of the older posts, and formatting issues have rendered others difficult to read, but I'd wager that if you took a stroll down memory lane you'd understand where I'm coming from on this.
A substantial number of those who've been banned for outright racist hate speech in recent years were people you co-signed for back then, and who, in turn, routinely agreed with you. Whether or not you were in the same category depends on how you choose to define the boundaries. I'm sure you want to separate yourself, but a lot of us who posted back then feel that you had more in common with those other users than you'd care to admit. Are there differences? Yes, and I never suggested otherwise.
Dustin Hoffman isn't Bill Cosby or Roy Moore, but he also doesn't get to decide whether his actions caused harm based on his recollection or intentions. If his main concern right now is "hey, don't lump me in with those freaks, and that was a long time ago" his focus is in the wrong place.
Overt White Supremacist hate speech has always been "ban on sight." That's not really the issue here. The challenge (and frustration) revolves around when and where staff members take action against those who make racially derogatory statements in more subtle ways.
To extend the Hoffman metaphor: someone doesn't have to engage in unwanted physical contact to contribute to a toxic workplace environment. If lewd, insulting comments become normative, commonplace, sanctioned, or just frequently overlooked, that's more than enough.
That's where I feel your posts fit in.
Should I have allowed them, or others like them? There's no easy answer to that, and it's a question I find myself returning to in situations like this one.
We value diversity, and would like to use that diversity in constructive ways, but that shouldn't come at the expense of making the community safe and welcoming. There's value in a sanctuary, too, especially as there are fewer and fewer real choices in online communities now, due to the increasing consolidation of social media.
You're an example of someone whose views have changed, and you've given some credit for that to your interactions with our fellow community members. In that respect, it could be argued that the patience paid off for you - though it was the community, not you, that paid the price.
Was it worth it? I don't know.
Even as I disagreed with you and was, frankly, disgusted by much of what you posted years ago, I honestly tried (sometimes to perceptible strain and with questionable success) to treat you with respect. Revenge should never be mistaken for justice.
Today's White Nationalists are terrified of backlash and retribution. They're scared they'll become the oppressed minority soon, and many have convinced themselves that they already are. Public Enemy had it right in 1990.
NikeTalk was a "majority minority" community from the very start - which is precisely why it, and its predecessors, have been such lightning rods for White Supremacists. It is, in some ways, a microcosm of what they fear. I'd argue that such fear is misplaced. Ignorance is best treated through education, not execution or exile.
Online communities were still a relatively recent development in the late '90's. I wasn't able to access the Internet until mid-way through high school, as PC's were vastly more expensive in those days. I didn't grow up with technology, and its sudden introduction in my life was a liberating experience in many ways. It would sound silly to someone long accustomed to the Internet, but just being free to type in dialect and use slang freely in a written exchange felt like a big deal. If you were an adolescent, bristling under the authority of parents and teachers, you'd likely use that freedom like Macaulay Culkin in Home Alone, stay up all night, eat ice cream for breakfast, read Playboy, and curse up a storm. For idealists, though, it was an opportunity to design a better system than those we inherited. That's what we've tried to do with NikeTalk.
What kind of society do you want? What kind of future do you want? We demonstrate that through the institutions we create and through how we treat one another.
When designing NikeTalk, we chose to build it on the principles of mutual respect.
From a pragmatic standpoint, banning everyone who would so much as risk damaging the community makes sense. If you can choose, why choose to share a community with bigots? Err on the side of caution and purge anyone who seems suspect. That's clearly the strategy many people here would prefer, and I can understand why. Perceived anonymity can do horrible things to people, and many of them were pretty horrible to begin with. Everyone's sick of dealing with online abuse. Why be patient with anyone? They don't deserve it.
The idealist's path, though, was to try to be the change we wanted to see in the world.
We don't want to eliminate all those with whom we disagree. As long as you're here in good faith, practice civility, and demonstrate respect, there is a place for you.
Don't promote the false peace that is the absence of tension. Strive, instead, for justice.
I believe in those values and I still believe that's a worthy effort. It does, however, come at a cost - and, as usual, that cost is rarely paid by the privileged.
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In the past, I would have typed and typed and filled up a half dozen pages worth of text. I'm too old for that now. I also want to avoid any adversarial discussion with you since I respect you a great deal.
I am just very sad that you doubt my commitment to justice: economic, social, racial and gender justice. Your arguments are sound but this exchange still feels like a gut punch.
BTW, I would not have shown the same amount of patience that you showed when faced with a series of problematic posts that talked about a "culture of poverty." You're a better and more patient man than me.
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i mean
just cause a person changed for the better
doesn't mean
that everyone that had interaction with said person
has to forget the things they did
i may be wrong
but is that why u feel like its a gut punch
that since u changed
its "all good"
as a bystander to u and meths discussion with each other
im curious on why u feel like that???
i mean sometimes the truth about a person or their past can hurt
but many folks have said
u have done a complete 180
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