RIP Joe Paterno

Originally Posted by MisterP0315

Originally Posted by dmxfury

I simply have a hard time celebrating a man's death. We all know the story (tragedy) that unfolded (and continues to unfold). We have discussed levels of responsibility to its end, and how much it tarnishes a legacy. That's fine and worth discussion for another day. But I can't celebrate and cheer for the death of a man that died with a broken spirit. Condolences to family, friends, and really anyone that has been affected by this passing


And...I'll quote this.

Dudes are simply out of line wishing hell on him. I already have a hard time with people celebrating death.
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You can stop quoting other people, dude. We know how you feel about this and we don't care.
 
^You cared enough to make that response. Good job supporting that you don't care.

I do what I feel. Deal with it.
 
Originally Posted by seasoned vet

Originally Posted by af1 1982

All I have to say is that a lot of dudes would be acting differently if Paterno was their grandfather.
 
....i hate this way of thinking.
 
...right is right, and wrong is wrong. someone being close to you doesnt make any difference one way or the other.
 
....ftr, ive supported Joe PA since this whole fiasco started, never had one bad thing to say about the man. but that whole "if it was your grandfather stuff is a bunch of !%*%%$*$"
 
 
I see where you're coming from. But one thing I've learned about life in the last couple years is perspective is very important. It all depends where you're coming from. We are here sitting at a computer judging a man where the judgement would be different if we were put in a different situation. I'm not saying that he was right or that he was wrong. I'm just saying, were judging him and this situation when it really has no direct effect on our being, for most of us. 
For the next few days, there will be events that will honor Joe Paterno. Today is the public viewing at the spiritual center here on campus. Tomorrow is the private family funeral and Thursday is a memorial service at BJC. Luckily, I was able to cop a ticket this morning at 10am on ticketmaster. Sold out in 3 min 
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. At least it was practice for the cement IV release 
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A ticket that was free to his memorial is now selling for $35,000...

within two minutes, its above 60,000
 
Originally Posted by MisterP0315

^You cared enough to make that response. Good job supporting that you don't care.

I do what I feel. Deal with it.
Here let me take another minute out of my life to tell you. !#%# Joe Paterno, and we still don't care how you feel
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There are still a few quotes about how people like me are disgusting, might wanna go back and quote some more folks.
 
Originally Posted by an dee 51o

Originally Posted by MisterP0315

^You cared enough to make that response. Good job supporting that you don't care.

I do what I feel. Deal with it.
Here let me take another minute out of my life to tell you. !#%# Joe Paterno, and we still don't care how you feel
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There are still a few quotes about how people like me are disgusting, might wanna go back and quote some more folks.

Just let it go, both of you. Take it to the PM, no one wants to hear you kids argue. You're gonna get this damn thread locked. People get so butthurt over an online message board
 
Originally Posted by DaG311

A ticket that was free to his memorial is now selling for $35,000...

within two minutes, its above 60,000
that's ridiculous. 
RIP Joe Pa.
 
Yall cant even let him Rest In Peace....don't yall see alla this drove him to the grave to begin with....
 
Originally Posted by af1 1982

Originally Posted by DaG311

A ticket that was free to his memorial is now selling for $35,000...

within two minutes, its above 60,000
*$%, where did you see this? smh at exploiting someones death for money. 
EDIT: http://www.businessinside...erno-tickets-ebay-2012-1

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It's not like he and his cohorts haven't been exploting kids for money for the last 50 years.
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Originally Posted by MoonMan818

Originally Posted by af1 1982

Originally Posted by DaG311

A ticket that was free to his memorial is now selling for $35,000...

within two minutes, its above 60,000
*$%, where did you see this? smh at exploiting someones death for money. 
EDIT: http://www.businessinside...erno-tickets-ebay-2012-1

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It's not like he and his cohorts haven't been exploting kids for money for the last 50 years.
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You're just picking fights now troll.  You're acting like he himself were pimping out these kids. You're acting like Joe Pa went to these donators and said "I've got a blonde, white 8 year old. How much you offering?". And last time I checked that was a rumor and an allegation. I haven't been keeping track of it but I definitely haven't seen it in news yet. Innocent until proven guilty my man. So much ignorance in this thread, on both ends of the spectrum. 
 
Originally Posted by af1 1982

Originally Posted by MoonMan818

Originally Posted by af1 1982

*$%, where did you see this? smh at exploiting someones death for money. 
EDIT: http://www.businessinside...erno-tickets-ebay-2012-1

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It's not like he and his cohorts haven't been exploting kids for money for the last 50 years.
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You're just picking fights now troll.  You're acting like he himself were pimping out these kids. You're acting like Joe Pa went to these donators and said "I've got a blonde, white 8 year old. How much you offering?". And last time I checked that was a rumor and an allegation. I haven't been keeping track of it but I definitely haven't seen it in news yet. Innocent until proven guilty my man. So much ignorance in this thread, on both ends of the spectrum. 
don't listen to this troll; it's obvs. just some blogger starting rumors and fools believe it
 
Originally Posted by an dee 51o

Originally Posted by MisterP0315

^You cared enough to make that response. Good job supporting that you don't care.



I do what I feel. Deal with it.
Here let me take another minute out of my life to tell you. +$#% Joe Paterno, and we still don't care how you feel
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There are still a few quotes about how people like me are disgusting, might wanna go back and quote some more folks.


You can say whatever the hell you want to say about Joe Paterno. That doesn't phase me.
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If I agree with something said, I'll co-sign if I want to. I don't need your approval, random irrelevant kid.
 
af1 1982:
Just let it go, both of you. Take it to the PM, no one wants to hear you kids argue. You're gonna get this damn thread locked. People get so butthurt over an online message board
 
Originally Posted by akajaedeuce

Damn, reading through this thread you would think Joe Paterno was the one who molested those kids.

People hate him more than Sandusky.

RIP


It's causes of who he is, he's the easy target for a lot of people. He definitely should've done more but at end of the day that sick bastard is responsible for what happened. Joe was put in a bad situation and he handled it bad but that does not take away his legacy as a coach and all the good he's done. This leaves a mark on his legacy but it doesn't whip it away.
 
From a PA prosecutor on how Joe handled the situation.

"I'd like to set something straight for those (even Joepa's supporters) who are writing and saying Joepa made an error in judgment or failed in his leadership by not calling the police or "following up" on what McQueary told him. He did not make an error or fail to follow up. He did what every other teacher and/or school employee does in Penn...sylvania every day. When they learn of such an allegation (usually directly from a student victim), they report it to the guidance office and/or principle, who then reports it to Children & Youth Services, who then notifies police. This is without exception and is and has been accepted protocol in PA for years. It is not the responsibility of the teacher to follow up because he/she expects the administration officials to properly report it. Additionally, the police will not share details of the investigation with the teacher, outside of possibly interviewing him/her. Believe me, we (police) don't want people doing their own investigation or follow-up. How do I know this? I investigate and prosecute these crimes every day and have done so for 17 years. I'm tired of hearing that Joepa made a mistake by not contacting police. Not only did he follow the law in PA, he followed normal protocol which is in place for a reason. If Joe made a mistake and deserved to be fired, then we should be firing hundreds of teachers every year. Joe did NOT make a mistake and those who say he did have no idea what they are talking about. I hope Freeh and his people look into child abuse reporting protocol in PA so Joepa's actions can be placed in the proper perspective. I'm sorry this is so long, but it needed to be made clear to those unfamiliar with these investigations, which I imagine is most people."

Even though people don't care anymore since he has passed away
 
^^^^^That doesn't mean anything. We know what he did was acceptable under law. It's protocol to shoot this up the chain of command. That's why he's not liable criminally. The problem is in the position he was in armed with the knowledge he had he could have and should have done more to stop the guy from molesting children in his own damn lockeroom, showers, sauna etc.



The same lames from the other thread protecting this dude.
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Originally Posted by DaG311

From a PA prosecutor on how Joe handled the situation.

"I'd like to set something straight for those (even Joepa's supporters) who are writing and saying Joepa made an error in judgment or failed in his leadership by not calling the police or "following up" on what McQueary told him. He did not make an error or fail to follow up. He did what every other teacher and/or school employee does in Penn...sylvania every day. When they learn of such an allegation (usually directly from a student victim), they report it to the guidance office and/or principle, who then reports it to Children & Youth Services, who then notifies police. This is without exception and is and has been accepted protocol in PA for years. It is not the responsibility of the teacher to follow up because he/she expects the administration officials to properly report it. Additionally, the police will not share details of the investigation with the teacher, outside of possibly interviewing him/her. Believe me, we (police) don't want people doing their own investigation or follow-up. How do I know this? I investigate and prosecute these crimes every day and have done so for 17 years. I'm tired of hearing that Joepa made a mistake by not contacting police. Not only did he follow the law in PA, he followed normal protocol which is in place for a reason. If Joe made a mistake and deserved to be fired, then we should be firing hundreds of teachers every year. Joe did NOT make a mistake and those who say he did have no idea what they are talking about. I hope Freeh and his people look into child abuse reporting protocol in PA so Joepa's actions can be placed in the proper perspective. I'm sorry this is so long, but it needed to be made clear to those unfamiliar with these investigations, which I imagine is most people."

Even though people don't care anymore since he has passed away

you kidding right? quit with that he did what he could bull crap. especially coming from a PA prosecutor..
JOE PATERNO WAS GOD at penn state. a king. he ran things there. he could have persuaded the so called "superiors" to do the right thing but he knew if this scandal got out his kingdom would crumble. Even if he didnt lay a hand on any child it was under his watch and you know once a school goes down all are deemed guilty by association. instead of doing the right thing he swept it under the rug by not making sure that man was done with. and that everything was put to a stop. he chose his legacy over doing the right thing.

all you guys saying the remarks are too harsh and people are no better thats a load of bull. Most of you guys defending paterno, if he wasnt a college fooball god would be saying the same stuff.

If this was regular ol billy bob not turning in his friend garfunkel and harboring him at the trailor parks, you guys would not give a damn. lets be real here man...
 
"Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should have accomplished with your ability."
- John Wooden

As far as REPORTING things is concerned, Joe did what he had to do.
As far as STOPPING things is concerned, he fell short. Period.

Protocol has nothing to do with the hundreds of possible actions Joe could've taken to adamantly insist that this thing end.
 
Originally Posted by NobleKane

Originally Posted by DaG311

From a PA prosecutor on how Joe handled the situation.

"I'd like to set something straight for those (even Joepa's supporters) who are writing and saying Joepa made an error in judgment or failed in his leadership by not calling the police or "following up" on what McQueary told him. He did not make an error or fail to follow up. He did what every other teacher and/or school employee does in Penn...sylvania every day. When they learn of such an allegation (usually directly from a student victim), they report it to the guidance office and/or principle, who then reports it to Children & Youth Services, who then notifies police. This is without exception and is and has been accepted protocol in PA for years. It is not the responsibility of the teacher to follow up because he/she expects the administration officials to properly report it. Additionally, the police will not share details of the investigation with the teacher, outside of possibly interviewing him/her. Believe me, we (police) don't want people doing their own investigation or follow-up. How do I know this? I investigate and prosecute these crimes every day and have done so for 17 years. I'm tired of hearing that Joepa made a mistake by not contacting police. Not only did he follow the law in PA, he followed normal protocol which is in place for a reason. If Joe made a mistake and deserved to be fired, then we should be firing hundreds of teachers every year. Joe did NOT make a mistake and those who say he did have no idea what they are talking about. I hope Freeh and his people look into child abuse reporting protocol in PA so Joepa's actions can be placed in the proper perspective. I'm sorry this is so long, but it needed to be made clear to those unfamiliar with these investigations, which I imagine is most people."

Even though people don't care anymore since he has passed away

you kidding right? quit with that he did what he could bull crap. especially coming from a PA prosecutor..
JOE PATERNO WAS GOD at penn state. a king. he ran things there. he could have persuaded the so called "superiors" to do the right thing but he knew if this scandal got out his kingdom would crumble. Even if he didnt lay a hand on any child it was under his watch and you know once a school goes down all are deemed guilty by association. instead of doing the right thing he swept it under the rug by not making sure that man was done with. and that everything was put to a stop. he chose his legacy over doing the right thing.

all you guys saying the remarks are too harsh and people are no better thats a load of bull. Most of you guys defending paterno, if he wasnt a college fooball god would be saying the same stuff.

If this was regular ol billy bob not turning in his friend garfunkel and harboring him at the trailor parks, you guys would not give a damn. lets be real here man...
So you're saying if he wasn't a football god I would still say the same stuff? If he was a regular Billy Bob I wouldn't give a damn? If he wasn't a football coach he would basically be a 'Billy Bob' so IDK where you are going with that...I would honestly say the same thing. You can look back at what I have said, I always say he could have done more. He did what he was obligated to do, by law. I am not saying he is off the hook cause HE COULD HAVE done more, I am saying that people are over looking all the great stuff he did for the stuff that other people did or didn't do.

I have an opinion and it is he could have done more, did the minimum, but what he did was ONE correct thing to do. There are many options that are correct and he chose that route. What makes me mad is when people are only being so hard on him because he is Joe Paterno, the legendary football coach. I also had when people are letting it slide just because he is Joe Paterno, the legendary football coach. Both types are unwilling to listen to the other sides point of view.

The fact that most people on here are one or the other is annoying almost childish in the way they won't budge or listen to another opinion.
 
I had a problem with people celebrating his death, not the criticisms of his actions.
 
This Onion article says it all, as usual:Jerry Sandusky: I’ll Never Forget All The Things Joe Paterno Did For MeJANUARY 25, 2012 | ISSUE 48•04ARTICLE TOOLSEmailPrintShareRELATED ARTICLESJustin Verlander Doesn’t Bother Telling Parents Difference Between No-Hitter And Perfect Game05.13.11Juror Brings Baseball Glove To Barry Bonds Perjury Trial04.06.11STATE COLLEGE, PA—As thousands of mourners gathered at Penn State's campus spiritual center Wednesday afternoon to say their farewells to Joe Paterno, former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky took the opportunity to express his "deep, everlasting gratitude" for everything his late mentor had done for him."When I think of how much of my life I owe to Joe Paterno, I don't even know where to begin," said Sandusky, who confessed to feeling "overcome" while attending the former football coach's funeral. "I think it's safe to say I wouldn't have been able to lead the life I've led, wouldn't have grown into the man I've become, if it hadn't been for his leadership. I can't even begin to imagine what would have become of me if not for Joe Paterno.""Truly, he gave me a place where I could reach my full potential—not just as a coach, but as a man," continued Sandusky, his voice cracking. "So many of my accomplishments would not have been possible without him and the unique atmosphere he created at Penn State."Paterno and Sandusky enjoyed a relationship stretching back almost 50 years, with each helping the other to pursue his passion. Sandusky said that while it was true the two men harbored different dreams, aspirations, and desires, Paterno was careful never to stand in his way. In fact, he affirmed, Paterno's wholehearted attention to the overall success and reputation of Penn State football allowed Sandusky to focus on building his own legacy at Happy Valley, where he was always able to go after what he wanted most."How many people honestly get to fulfill their very deepest desires in life?" Sandusky said. "Let alone fulfill those desires over and over again, year in and year out, day after day, for decades? That's the kind of life Joe allowed me to live."Sandusky added, "I owe it all to the tradition he established at Penn State University."Although Sandusky said he "cherished the freedom he was allowed" under Paterno, he admitted there was never any question as to who was ultimately in charge of and responsible for the football program."Make no mistake—Joe would give you free rein, but he always knew exactly what was going on in State College," said Sandusky, grinning slightly at the memory of his friend and colleague. "He had ways of letting us know that as long as we weren't interfering with Nittany Lion football, we could do our own thing and let him worry about the big picture.""I could not have asked for a more perfect boss," Sandusky added tearfully.Under the legendary head coach, 67-year-old Sandusky established a charitable organization called the Second Mile, which allowed him to bring thousands of underprivileged and at-risk youths to campus, introducing them to all aspects of the Penn State tradition. Paterno served Second Mile for years as one of the program's biggest fundraisers, thereby single-handedly helping Sandusky's involvement in the lives of as many children as possible."Life is about more than just football—it's also about being active in the community," Sandusky said before speaking at length about the particular vulnerabilities of children, and going into great detail about how badly young boys need strong, confident figures in their lives. "I remember how much Joe cared about the image of Penn State football, and how determined he was to protect that image within this community.""I'll tell you this from the depths of my soul: Joe Paterno could do no wrong in my book," he added. "And I believe he wanted people to think the same of me."After stepping away from the program in 1999, Sandusky was given an emeritus position with the Nittany Lions that included an office and unrestricted access to recreation rooms, showers, and other athletic facilities, a privilege Sandusky admitted he "wouldn't have known what to do without." "This was a man who looked out for his program, but at the end of the day, he was very much aware that a program is its people," Sandusky said of Paterno. "He knew that taking care of the program meant taking care of me. Sure, we had our tough times, but some things are bigger than football—like friendship, and the legacy you hope to leave behind."With Paterno's passing now closing the final chapter in their relationship, Sandusky said he can't help but smile when he reflects back on their tenure together at Penn State."I had years of great times at Penn State," Sandusky said. "Years and years of great times. And I owe every minute to Joe Paterno."
 
Don't really care what the rest of you think. I believe we lost a man of honor and integrity, who should be remembered for the first 85 years of his life, and not the last 3 months. R.I.P. JVP, one of the greatest coaches and philanthropists of all time.
 
Originally Posted by ajcollector9290

Don't really care what the rest of you think. I believe we lost a man of honor and integrity, who should be remembered for the first 85 years of his life, and not the last 3 months. R.I.P. JVP, one of the greatest coaches and philanthropists of all time.

Exactly. I don't care what you guys think of it, you're free to say what you want. Just let him rest in peace. If you want to argue about it and criticize him, start another thread or gravedig the other one. This one is to celebrate his life. I feel like were going in circles here, just let it go, both sides.  Oh and btw, Phil Knight (founder of our beloved Nike) spoke at the memorial today. He had some interesting things to say
 
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