Seattle SuperSonics Thread

[dmbrhs]

Wow, Softy went live on KJR tonight. Doing a special show just for this.

 

[dakid23]

we did it!

Smh to all the people who told us to just accept seattle as a none NBA city.

 

[651akathepaul]

Just wondering if any team will jump at trying to move to Seattle or how long it'll take now to get a team here.

 

[dmbrhs]

Heard 2016, at the latest. The problem is Hansen won't accept a team just moving here. He has to get someone to sell.

 

[651akathepaul]

It'll be Minnesota.

 

[Sinner]

Hahaha...

 

[Deleted member 38182]

Hansen having this plan set in place and with major corporations in the fold (Comcast/VA City), Sac can't really compete if they get into a bidding war if the Maloofs hope to sell.

Lets hope KJ gets Burkle back out here or the Maloofs really stick to their guns and don't sell 

 

[Deleted member 38182]

Bruski is a good and fair writer, and obviously I'm a biased Kings fan... but this is a good read on the circumstances of the Kings and the Maloofs. Worth a read

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[h1]Will Seattle billionaire Chris Hansen drastically overpay for the Sacramento Kings?[/h1]
Aaron Bruski
 
Sep 11, 2012, 5:26 PM EDT

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News of billionaire Chris Hansen striking a deal with the Seattle City Council hit the wire late Monday night, as the sides have agreed to a framework on an arena deal that moves them a few smaller hurdles away from becoming an NBA-ready city (courtesy of Chris Daniels of King 5 in Seattle).

In a bit of twisted irony, the city that had its team stolen away  will now set its sights on any available team, and there is no team that is more available than the Sacramento Kings, who nowadays have a different rumored destination every week.

This most recent news solidifies Seattle’s place on the top of that list, though they still need the Maloofs to sell, and they still have to outdo Sacramento. Neither task should be considered a slam dunk, or even likely at this point.

The idea that Sacramento could lose its team, of course, is a black eye for the league as the city has supported its team in every conceivable way, including where it counts financially and at the ticket gate. The only reason we’re having this discussion is because the Maloof family, internal squabbles aside, doesn’t want to be there.

Their roots are in New Mexico, Los Angeles, and Las Vegas, and being broke in relative NBA owner terms they’re looking for a short-term infusion of cash, which they hope to find by moving the team to another city that will both build them an arena and also let them keep the profits from it.

Cities such as Virginia Beach, Louisville, Vancouver, Kansas City, and the like are potential candidates if anything because they’re willing to pay to be on the NBA map. But the math starts to get fuzzy because the markets are smaller than Sacramento, and the Maloofs end up no better off than they were in Sacramento over the long haul.

That, and the NBA doesn’t really want those markets, at least not at the expense of Sacramento, where the league enjoys the No. 20 sized TV market without interference from other sports leagues. When you factor in the public relations hit of moving the team – it’s hard to see the league supporting a move and to date we have not.

Even when considering a larger market like Anaheim, the league isn’t falling all over itself to allow a move. The NBA blocked the Maloofs’ relocation attempt last year after Sacramento mayor Kevin Johnson raised over $10 million in untapped sponsorships at the drop of a hat and promised a viable arena deal. Things seemed to be moving along reasonably well and a deal for a new arena was agreed to in principle during All Star weekend in Orlando.

But that was before George Maloof created a how-to-guide for burning bridges in Sacramento. He torched the deal live on public television in a tirade for the ages, and any goodwill that was leftover at the league offices was probably lost. Commissioner David Stern has used measured words in describing the arena situation since then, and none of them have painted the Maloofs in a flattering light.

In fact, the commissioner would probably like to see the family sell the team, but as usual the issue comes down to money, antitrust law, and the other 29 owners that one day will be negotiating with both the league office and their home city about something.

Aside from not wanting anybody to tell them what to do, owners want the right to move their teams to the cities they feel they can make the most money in. Leagues don’t like to allow this as it creates a number of problems, and the courts have found that the intersection of those opposing ideals lies in the concept of a relocation fee. Relocation fees are the amount that a league can charge to indemnify parties that are damaged by an owner’s decision to move.

The law is much more detailed than this, and the case law that has been favorable to relocating owners isn’t an exact match to the situation in Sac, but one thing is clear – neither party wants to land in court over this.

And that’s why the Kings arena situation has been allowed to play out, to the detriment of the league’s image, and as an affront to the other 29 owners that one day will have to negotiate with their municipalities.

While it’s unclear right now what impact the Maloofs’ apparent bad faith dealings in Sacramento will have on other team owners seeking public subsidies, a small shift in public sentiment could cost the league and its players tens of millions of dollars and a large scale shift could put the billion dollars the league has received in subsidy back on its balance sheet.

But even with the Maloofs’ name now toxic inside the league and out, to the point it’s being pulled off the signage at the Palms, the league cannot afford a bad ruling in an antitrust case. Aside from treble damages the Maloofs would seek, which are significant, a bad ruling would be held over all sports leagues’ heads by owners wanting to play franchise free agency.

The best hope for the league has always been to see the issue play out on its own, with the Maloofs realizing that they have no options besides going back to the city with its hat in its hand, or selling the team outright.

And with Seattle standing in the on-deck circle and doing what they need to do to land itself an NBA franchise, the question on everybody’s mind is whether or not Hansen will be able to drastically overpay for the Kings.

The Maloofs owe about $70 million to the city of Sacramento and well over $100 million to the NBA, and a sales price in excess of $400 million is needed to give the 43 percent stakeholders an easy way out of Dodge. Considering the franchise is valued at $300 million by Forbes, which is a generous valuation, Hansen would need to hope that the bump of moving to a larger market in Seattle and owning land near the arena would justify the Maloofs’ likely asking price.

But more importantly, when you factor in a relocation fee, which sources tell me will be assessed to give Sacramento buyers a fair shot at buying the team, Hansen could be looking at $500 million or more to buy the Kings. After paying $300 million and counting to build an arena, that’s approaching a billion dollars to get in the game.

It’s possible that the man known for his patience  will wait for a less toxic situation to pop up, and it’s fair to wonder now if the league would reconsider expansion now that multiple cities have expressed interest in NBA clubs.

As for Hansen’s involvement with the Kings, he said weeks ago that he had not made an offer to purchase the Kings after a local report emerged saying otherwise. If he decides to make a play for the team, and assuming the Maloofs are ready to cry uncle, it probably puts Sacramento on notice that it’s time to formalize an offer to buy the team.

Sources on the city’s side have indicated that they have more than one buyer lined up, and ultimately Seattle’s progress could force some sort of endgame here. If the goal is to sell for the Maloofs, then they will likely have squeezed the best sales price out of Sacramento that is possible, and anything close to a Seattle offer (after the relocation fee) will likely be supported by the league.

If the Maloofs still don’t want to sell, they’ll continue to play the dating game with other cities and the league will continue to deal with a public relations nuisance. The family will not get a different arena deal in Sacramento, and any talk of renovating the unrenovatable Arco Arena with public funds has been met with collective laughter both inside and outside of the city.

Even if the Maloofs can find a sweetheart deal somewhere else, it’s unlikely that they’ll have the clout to force a move the league doesn’t want. Sure, they may have some antitrust law on their side, but they probably can’t afford the lawsuit and even if they win, they’re left in a place where they’re not wanted. They don’t have the fortitude of antitrust victor and deceased Raiders owner Al Davis. And other than George, they want to be wanted.

In Sacramento, the framework for a deal exists not just for the Maloofs but for any owner that wants to pick up the ball and run with it.

The deal that was struck between the city, arena giant AEG, and the NBA is still considered a good deal by each of those parties, and the only thing that would theoretically change are the owner contributions. In a concept the Maloofs cannot come to grips with, if a new owner wants to pay more for arena construction they can enjoy more of the profits.

Unlike anywhere else in the country, including Seattle, an agreement can be reached in Sacramento under the current terms and design could start within about a month according to sources.

As usual, though, the story goes right back to the Maloofs and whether or not they’re ready to face the music. They can’t do nothing, as Arco Arena is dilapidated and barely up to NBA code. They’ll eventually need to do more than polish the concourse floors.  Eventually, they’ll either need to take the Sacramento offer, try to make something out of nothing in an unlikely move out of town, or sell the team.

And when the music stops and the only thing left to do is sell, will Hansen or any other buyer want to drastically overpay for this particular franchise to the extent that Sacramento can’t match the offer?

Until these questions are answered or the Maloofs are nudged out the door with greater efficiency, Sacramento Kings fans have to endure the same fears that plagued Sonics fans before their team was ultimately ripped away.  And that’s just not right.

 

[dakid23]

I'm hearing the Kings price is around 500 million.

 

[Deleted member 38182]

Ya, so on top of the arena price tag; that would send Hansen's transaction to 1 billion 

 Good for that guy if he pulls that off, can't even be mad 

 

[dmbrhs]

He has Ballmer on his side. Dude is richer than any current owner in the NBA. He can make it happen.

 

[dmbrhs]

Nice of the Mariners to chime in with their anti-arena rhetoric again.

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2019139418_arenamic13m.html

 

[Deleted member 38182]

He has Ballmer on his side. Dude is richer than any current owner in the NBA. He can make it happen.

I understand this. which is why I'm 

 with the thought of someone going through this much trouble just to get the Sacramento Kings 

 

[651akathepaul]

I never should've changed the original thread title.

It could very well end up being Sacramento and Phoenix after all.

 

[dakid23]

I never should've changed the original thread title.
It could very well end up being Sacramento and Phoenix after all.

Yeah it can

 

[Deleted member 38182]

Great news for Seattle!

Breaking. A group representing the #Edmonton Oilers, including team president, owner was in Seattle today taking a tour of Key Arena. #NHL
— Ian Furness (@IanKJR) September 24, 2012

 

[dmbrhs]

But Keyarena can't support hockey. It's not designed for it.

Anyway, city council had their official vote today: 6-2 in favor.

 

[Deleted member 38182]

What do you mean it can't support it?

And maybe since there are actually NHL teams for sale, Hansen is aiming for that first so that he'll have a tenant and can get the building built. And then continue the search for a NBA team?

 

[Deleted member 38182]

Per local Sacto reporter, hope you guys are happy

Seatle city councilman Bruce Harrell: "...I think Sonics fans will be excited to know that we'll have an NBA team here shortly"
— Jim Crandell (@JimCrandell) September 24, 2012

 

[dmbrhs]

What do you mean it can't support it?

And maybe since there are actually NHL teams for sale, Hansen is aiming for that first so that he'll have a tenant and can get the building built. And then continue the search for a NBA team?

It's not designed for NHL hockey. It's not big enough, and the sight lines are terrible (for hockey). It's why the NHL has never considered Seattle. The Key was designed for basketball, and it was a great venue. Very steep, and the crowd was packed together and right on top of the action. It was like a large college arena atmosphere.

It's NBA or bust for Hansen. The NBA team would make way more money than a hockey team, and Hansen wants that first. Also, I wouldn't read anything into what the councilman said. At the Sonics rally a couple weeks ago, the mayor slipped up in his speech to the crowd, to similar effect. The only person who knows anything about that situation, I think, is Hansen. Lots of NDAs probably tied to negotiating purchasing a team.

 

[Deleted member 38182]

Ah I read in this interview that if Key Arena were to be modified for hockey use it'd only sit 11,000~ 

 At the Oilers selling out each night in 11-12 and the owner still giving no damns about Clay Bennett'ing this team 

Heres the interview, doubt there isn't much new info here you haven't seen

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2012/...talks-seattle-arena-deal-with-sactown-royalty

 

[elpablo21]

 First Gretzky, now this...damn Edmonton

 

[dakid23]

Edmonton using us

 

[dmbrhs]

Edmonton using us

Yeah, they aren't serious about moving. Probably an idle threat to Edmonton.

 

[dmbrhs]

Mini update from Chris Hansen. This makes everything officially official:

Another big step today. The amended MOU passed and both Seattle City Council and King County Council are planning to vote on Sonics Arena next Monday. Here we go...