Shooting Reported at Las Vegas Casino Hotel

Air Money said:
Nra has bought out our country
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Big part of it but another has to be the resulting glorifying and fetishizing of gun culture,violence and firearms in general imo to the point were they've somehow become woven into and an integral part of American society.
 
rolaholic said:
Big part of it but another has to be the resulting glorifying and fetishizing of gun culture,violence and firearms in general imo to the point were they've somehow become woven into and an integral part of American society.
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This.

 
sundoobie said:
Exactly. Gun control laws wouldn't have stop this man, because he probably purchased the weapons legally a long time ago anyways! Only legit way gun control work is if the Feds go door to door confiscating ALL guns because the ones ready to kill today are already trained and probably already stocked away a ton of armory. Hell a city in LA, Lawndale, just last week an entire neighborhood block was evacuated because police found military weapons including artillery shells, mortars and grenades from World War II in some parolee's home.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/09/29/grenades-lawndale-evacuation/
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The idea isn't to stop this man though. That's a naive and macro level of looking at this.

This is an outlier of an event, typically something like this doesn't happen that frequently.

The idea for stricter gun control laws is far more Micro. There will be criminals who use guns despite stricter gun control laws, of course. But if on the average day to day, the average person has to go through much more strenuous path to attaining a gun, then in theory we should benefit from that.

I don't think stopping what happened from Last night is even realistic. But if, it's harder for people to get guns then maybe, just maybe it may become realistic in the years ahead.
 
sooperhooper said:
Gun 'control' only goes so far. Kinda like making a drug illegal only goes so far. Money +resources +persistence will get you damn near anything in America: guns, drugs, murder, sex. Virtually anything. If someone wants to commit a heinous act, they just gotta get their money up and not get caught.
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This is a terrible argument

It is like saying if a law can not be written perfectly, there is no point to pursuing the policy goal.

Let us not try to improve our health insurance and care system, because some people still might not have insurance

Let's not pass Civil Rights laws, because racism and discrimination will still exist.

Let us not govern and try to improve our country try, because it can never be completely perfect

Whether or not any gun law would have stopped this is really not that important.
But events like this just reminds people how stupidly our country handles the gun Issue.

I am a massive left winger and I am not interested in taking away anyone's guns. But geez, I am tired of debating this issue because most on the other side is never willing to discuss it in good faith. It is just having to deal with deflection after deflection.
 
Based Jesus said:
Why even have laws at all? Anyone can do something if they REALLY want to.
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Right. Exactly.

And the idea isn't to stop something like what happened in Vegas, or at Sandy Hook.

Thousands upon thousands of concerts will be attended in the coming months and nothing will happen. Everyday kids go to elementary schools without even a thought of a threat. Harsher gun control laws aren't meant to stop those outlier events.

But, if you make it harder for the average citizen to acquire a firearm, then that should have a trickle down effect on criminals.
 
blackdynamite said:
I’m pretty sure top notch terroist are way ahead of this dude.


We should just legalize prostitution, I’m sure bro would have thought twice about doing this dumb ****.
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The shooter lived in a state with legal brothels

If he could have drove the same time at made it to a brothel

Please, let us stop with these hot takes
 
frink85 said:
In a lot of other countries, hotels/malls/casinos any large public space will have security guards checking your bags and body and metal detectors at the entrance. This is where we are headed.
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Yea metal detectors in hotels/touristic places are the reality around much of the world,I could def see that eventually spreading to the States in the future
 
rolaholic said:
Yea metal detectors in hotels/touristic places are the reality around much of the world,I could def see that eventually spreading to the States in the future
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I lived in SE Asia for a few years you get used to it, put your bag on the table walk through the metal detector put your hands up to get a quick pat down on your waist as you walk through and be on your way

But one of the reasons I liked being home is going somewhere and not having to go through that.

RIP to the victims. I love Las Vegas, this is terrible :frown:
 
frink85 said:
In a lot of other countries, hotels/malls/casinos any large public space will have security guards checking your bags and body and metal detectors at the entrance. This is where we are headed.
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Won't be surprised if this is implemented after this event
MGM resorts probably gonna be hit with a multi million class action lawsuit for negligence....they gonna have to change up their security right away to prevent tragedies like this.
 
Father arrested in Vegas after robbing a bank in Phoenix. Diagnosed as psychopathic with suicidal tendencies. The FBI seems to think this is a big clue to motive, NBC reports.
 
frink85 said:
In a lot of other countries, hotels/malls/casinos any large public space will have security guards checking your bags and body and metal detectors at the entrance. This is where we are headed.
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Surprised we're not already there to be honest. We care so much about "security" yet I can walk into a hotel, crowded mall, subway station, and (some) music festivals without even as much as a pat down. Seems backwards to me.
 
Have they figured out what his motive was? I know mental illness is a serious thing, but these people that plan **** out for days, get dramatic, harm a ton of people then turn the gun on themselves once the police have you cornered needed to have turned the gun on themselves way beforehand. I'm sick of this ****. You wanna kill yourself, just ****ing do it in your own home and leave other people out of it.

EddieDoyers said:
Won't be surprised if this is implemented after this event
MGM resorts probably gonna be hit with a multi million class action lawsuit for negligence....they gonna have to change up their security right away to prevent tragedies like this.
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How dude spent a week in Las Vega at that hotel with 10 guns and 100s of magazines and didn't get caught blows my mind.
 
pch roadwinder said:
Right. Exactly.

And the idea isn't to stop something like what happened in Vegas, or at Sandy Hook.

Thousands upon thousands of concerts will be attended in the coming months and nothing will happen. Everyday kids go to elementary schools without even a thought of a threat. Harsher gun control laws aren't meant to stop those outlier events.

But, if you make it harder for the average citizen to acquire a firearm, then that should have a trickle down effect on criminals.
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How did that work during prohitbition and the War on Drugs?
 
malikdagoat said:
Surprised we're not already there to be honest. We care so much about "security" yet I can walk into a hotel, crowded mall, subway station, and (some) music festivals without even as much as a pat down. Seems backwards to me.
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That is one of the things about Vegas that people expect. The go anywhere theme with little hassle

I mean people in my office are actually arguing with me that the ID thing would hurt the hotel in court because that is common practice in hotels to let someone that is on the reservation use the other person's ID to check in.

They actually think that will save them when the class action lawsuit come, because hey, hotel policy.

I am in disbelief at some of the hot takes I am hearing.
 
Peep Game said:
How dude spent a week in Las Vega at that hotel with 10 guns and 100s of magazines and didn't get caught blows my mind.
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Nobody was paying attention to/suspecting an old white guy with multiple bags/luggage at a hotel.

He looked like any other old white guy on vacation that stayed there.

If the smoke alarm didn't go off he could have done more damage. Alarm alerted the hotel staff and they figured out which room he was in.
 
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