Shooting Reported at Las Vegas Casino Hotel

How did that work during prohitbition and the War on Drugs?
These are two examples. If this is the way we're going, we could go back and forth sharing examples that support either of our arguments until tomorrow morning.

Do you honestly not see the difference between illegal drugs and guns?

The goal is to make an attempt to get this issue under control. Do you have a better suggestion, or do you think we're helpless and just have to accept these mass murders the way we do car crashes?
 
How dude spent a week in Las Vega at that hotel with 10 guns and 100s of magazines and didn't get caught blows my mind.

What do you mean how? If his bags were put away nicely and covered each day he left the room why would there be any red flags. People check in hotels with all kinds of crazy amounts of luggage

Now if theres evidence he just walking freely thru the hotel wigh his guns out then ok but other than that theres no reason to question he he got it in there. They dont search bags
 
It's tough to make that comparison though when alcohol and drugs aren't made for the explicit and sole purpose of taking life...

What guns are designed for are irrelevant to my point.

There are more guns in America than people. I'm willing to bet there are more legal owners than recreational drug users.

My point is when there is something as widespread as gun ownership you can't outlaw them or even regulate them realistically at this point. That ship has sailed.
 
What guns are designed for are irrelevant to my point.

There are more guns in America than people. I'm willing to bet there are more legal owners than recreational drug users.

My point is when there is something as widespread as gun ownership you can't outlaw them or even regulate them realistically at this point. That ship has sailed.
What?

I don't think anyone is calling to outlaw guns. I also don't think the goal is to regulate those guns that were already legally purchased.

The point is to be more critical of who is allowed to purchase guns going forward.

It's like we aren't even talking about the same thing, because you seem to go off on a tangent and claim things that no one was even proposing. Don't you think it would be ridiculous for us to think we can outlaw or regulate guns that are already legally in someone's possession. I don't think we disagree in how unrealistic that is.
 
What guns are designed for are irrelevant to my point.

There are more guns in America than people. I'm willing to bet there are more legal owners than recreational drug users.

My point is when there is something as widespread as gun ownership you can't outlaw them or even regulate them realistically at this point. That ship has sailed.
So we can't properly fund the ATF probably to go after illegal gun sales

We can't put a larger VAT tax on guns and bullets to push down their sales

We can't explore smart gun tech to hopefully hurt the illegal gun trade

We can't do background checks for the thousands more guns that will be sold

We can't do any of that, because the shipped has sailed?

Yeah, I'm not buying this. Seems like you are more focused on debating a strawmen over people that have a disagreement with you on this issue.

The Swiss have a ton of guns too, and they don't see the same level of buffoonery we do.
 
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What do you mean how? If his bags were put away nicely and covered each day he left the room why would there be any red flags. People check in hotels with all kinds of crazy amounts of luggage

Now if theres evidence he just walking freely thru the hotel wigh his guns out then ok but other than that theres no reason to question he he got it in there. They dont search bags

Didn't know they don't check bags, but the guy had 10 assault rifles and 100s of magazines. Even if you do break down 10 rifles, I'll ask again, how are you getting them in there? There's no way in hell something like that should slip by
 
Father arrested in Vegas after robbing a bank in Phoenix. Diagnosed as psychopathic with suicidal tendencies. The FBI seems to think this is a big clue to motive, NBC reports.

That’s crazy , in the interview the Brother said they don’t even really know their father. Wasn’t even sure of his name. Said “I think” after saying it
 
I saw this last night. Didn't think anything of it until this morning since the news I read was limited. Way crazier than expected. These god damn hurricanes are enough to deal with. So much crap going on in this world.
 
Didn't know they don't check bags, but the guy had 10 assault rifles and 100s of magazines. Even if you do break down 10 rifles, I'll ask again, how are you getting them in there? There's no way in hell something like that should slip by

For all we know he could have walked in each day with a new bag with a gun. Or when he checked in made several trips to get a different bag. Or like any other tourist had multiple bags.

Its not impossible.
 
It's like we aren't even talking about the same thing, because you seem to go off on a tangent and claim things that no one was even proposing. Don't you think it would be ridiculous for us to think we can outlaw or regulate guns that are already legally in someone's possession. I don't think we disagree in how unrealistic that is.

It's very telling when people automatically assume those for gun control want to take away every gun. Very telling. :lol:
 
Didn't know they don't check bags, but the guy had 10 assault rifles and 100s of magazines. Even if you do break down 10 rifles, I'll ask again, how are you getting them in there? There's no way in hell something like that should slip by

Rifles can be broken down into easily assembled parts. It's Vegas.. people go in/our of their hotel rooms carrying multiple bags all day/night. As long as you have that Hotel keycard.. security doesn't question you.
 
Didn't know they don't check bags, but the guy had 10 assault rifles and 100s of magazines. Even if you do break down 10 rifles, I'll ask again, how are you getting them in there? There's no way in hell something like that should slip by

Umm it's not difficult at all to bring multiple bags in over the course of a few days. Housekeepers aren't allowed to go through people's luggage.
 
Didn't know they don't check bags, but the guy had 10 assault rifles and 100s of magazines. Even if you do break down 10 rifles, I'll ask again, how are you getting them in there? There's no way in hell something like that should slip by

Have you ever been to Vegas? The strip is extremely busy, and the hotel lobbies/casino are always extremely populated.

Hell, the bellhop wouldn't even think twice about pushing a huge cart filled with heavy luggage into someone's room.

People can bring whatever the hell they want into their hotel room if it fits in a bag. Hotels don't ask questions or do bag checks
 
Last I heard it was something like 6, but I've honestly been avoiding all the reporting on this. Right after incidents like there, there is so much misinformation going around I think I'm going to wait before consuming all the news that's being thrown around.

I wouldn't be surprised if they were legally obtained. That's the part that blows my mind. Right now, people can legally obtain a militia worth of guns, but people don't want to discuss whether or not it's too easy for people to get their hands on them.

Can't seem to understand the logic.
I'm the current owner of 6 firearms myself (5 shotguns, 1 varmint rifle), at least for now as I have no permit and have to turn in 4 of them for destruction by the local police's firearm department, but I know most of the requirements my dad had to go through to obtain them. I don't believe he should have passed the psychological test in the last 10 years or so but some people are bound to slip through. Either way over here you can only legally acquire a limited range of firearms through either first obtaining a hunting license or alternatively through sports-shooting club membership. The latter requires a minimum attendance at the shooting range but I'm not sure on the exact amount. It's quite frequently though, you can't just sign up at a shooting club and occasionally go here and there.

Both require a bunch of theoretical and practice classes, followed by an exam for both categories. In the case of shooting clubs, these requirements are passed by the shooting club itself. You also need to pass a background check and a medical review to determine if you are capable of owning and handling a firearm. Then the governor will decide if you are eligible for a permit. You can pass both exams and still be refused at the end of the day. When you do get your permit, there's an annual fee on it as well as a provincial tax in most provinces. Any guns legally purchased have to be electronically monitored. You can do a private sale but the office of the provincial governor has to sign off on it so it's gonna end up in the database whether you legally buy it from a store or a private individual.

There's a couple other conditions as well. For example, anyone over the age of 18 who resides in the same house as the individual trying to acquire a permit can block the process. If your wife doesn't want you to have a permit for example, she has legal authority to block the husband from doing so and vice versa.
If an individual has been forcibly committed to a psychiatric facility, any firearm permit application will be denied on the spot.
If all members of the individual's direct family don't sign off on the permit application, it'll be denied.

On top of that, your permit has to be renewed every 5 years. In the case of shooting club permits, there's an annual check-up as well. If you don't meet the annual requirement for a shooting club firearm permit you'll lose it and your firearm(s) will be confiscated.

Personally I believe our system works pretty well considering how loose it used to be before the 2006 shooting spree in Antwerp. I know a number of older individuals (hunters) with firearms that I know are unregistered because there was no real database pre-2006 but it is what it is. The point is that you now have to go through quite a lot of steps to acquire a permit in the first place and to hold on to it. The electronic database was a great step in the right direction in my opinion as well.

I don't believe guns are inherently problematic. Again, Switzerland is the prime example of a wealthy country that comes closest to the US' guns per capita rate, has relatively loose regulations and they have relatively little problems resulting from the huge amount of guns amongst the population or the regulations. I can't exactly recall more than just a few instances of mass shootings in Switzerland and its gun crime in general isn't even very high. I'd have to check but I'm pretty sure ours is higher.
Switzerland does an excellent job in educating its population about guns and allowing a healthy gun culture to flourish rather than a toxic NRA-type stranglehold. It's the proof that you can have tons of guns per capita without really being problematic. Their model is something all nations with many firearms should strive for.
 
So we can't properly fund the ATF probably to go after illegal gun sales

We can't put a larger VAT tax on guns and bullets to push down their sales

We can't explore smart gun tech to hopefully hurt the illegal gun trade

We can't do background checks for the thousands more guns that will be sold

We can't do any of that, because the shipped has sailed?

Yeah, I'm not buying this. Seems like you are more focused on debating a strawmen over people that have a disagreement with you on this issue.

The Swiss have a ton of guns too, and they don't see the same level of buffoonery we do.

At the very least we need a system by which we can track legal gun sales in a computer database. Thats the BARE MINIMUM to getting started.
 
These are two examples. If this is the way we're going, we could go back and forth sharing examples that support either of our arguments until tomorrow morning.

Do you honestly not see the difference between illegal drugs and guns?

The goal is to make an attempt to get this issue under control. Do you have a better suggestion, or do you think we're helpless and just have to accept these mass murders the way we do car crashes?

So we can't fund the ATF probably to go after illegal gun sales

We can't put a larger VAT tax on guns and bullets to push down their sales

We can't explore smart gun tech to hopefully hurt the illegal gun trade

We can't do background checks for the thousands more guns that will be sold

We can't do any of that, because the shipped has sailed?

Yeah, I'm not buying this. Seems like you are more focused on debating a strawmen over people that have a disagreement with you on this issue.

The Swiss has a ton of guns too, and they don't see the level of buffoonery we do.

You people keep missing the point.

You can ban all new guns sales tomorrow and there are already enough guns and ammo in circulation to kill every person in America.

How are you going to stop me from selling a gun I legally already own to a private citizen when there are no records that I own it in the first place?

That's why I'm saying that ship has sailed.
 
Idk I gave him a pass cause of nerves . I’d probably come off the same way if I just found out my brother killed/injured hundreds. Probably is in shock
I figured as much also. He just seemed to jovial to me. Then again like you said shock makes people react differently.
 
I don't believe guns are inherently problematic. Again, Switzerland is the prime example of a wealthy country that comes closest to the US' guns per capita rate, has relatively loose regulations and they have relatively little problems resulting from the huge amount of guns amongst the population or the regulations. I can't exactly recall more than just a few instances of mass shootings in Switzerland and its gun crime in general isn't even very high. I'd have to check but I'm pretty sure ours is higher.
Switzerland does an excellent job in educating its population about guns and allowing a healthy gun culture to flourish rather than a toxic NRA-type stranglehold. It's the proof that you can have tons of guns per capita without really being problematic. Their model is something all nations with many firearms should strive for.
Switzerland still isn't a good comparison to the United States because Switzerland has far less relative poverty than the United States does.
 
You people keep missing the point.

You can ban all new guns sales tomorrow and there are already enough guns and ammo in circulation to kill every person in America.

How are you going to stop me from selling a gun I legally already own to a private citizen when there are no records that I own it in the first place?

That's why I'm saying that ship has sailed.

You are the only one missing the point

You are so stuck on this "banning all guns" thing, that you are ignoring what people are actually saying on the issue.

That this point, your argument is just a strawmen. Gun Control doesn't necessarily mean banning all guns.
 
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