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I regret bringing the original intent of the second amendment into this thread. It seems that people have forgotten it, so I thought I'd ask why/when people stopped worrying about the government becoming too big.

I don't expect troops and citizens to fight on the ground, but I do think it's a valid concern to be able to defend yourself against your government.

And again, if it no longer is, when did that change and what happened to convince us.
 
PLVN said:
Because that's the company line

Invoke the hypothetical threat of the government bogeyman to distract from the real issue of gun violence
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That's not at all why I brought it up. I was and still am on the other side of the argument in wanting much more regulation. I just want to know when the general consensus changed and people began to feel safe with and not worried about their government infringing on their rights?
 
harlemtothebronx said:
That's not at all why I brought it up. I was and still am on the other side of the argument in wanting much more regulation. I just want to know when the general consensus changed and people began to feel safe with and not worried about their government infringing on their rights?
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You kinda goofed famb :lol
 
that's actually an interesting discussion...gotta be somewhere in that Second World War-Cold War era when all the big threats to Real Americans were outside the borders. went from an industrial upstart catching up with Europe to The Global Powerhouse of Liberty and Justice in what, 100 years?

it's easy to see why Yanks got so comfortable.
 
harlemtothebronx said:
That's not at all why I brought it up. I was and still am on the other side of the argument in wanting much more regulation. I just want to know when the general consensus changed and people began to feel safe with and not worried about their government infringing on their rights?
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It's not that people aren't concerned its that the ship has already sailed and we aint winning a war with the us govt

americans let bush run wild after 9/11 and now folks wanna be worried about protecting their rights?
 
cosmiccoffee9 said:
that's actually an interesting discussion...gotta be somewhere in that Second World War-Cold War era when all the big threats to Real Americans were outside the borders. went from an industrial upstart catching up with Europe to The Global Powerhouse of Liberty and Justice in what, 100 years?

it's easy to see why Yanks got so comfortable.
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This is what I'm thinking. Not that people trust the government more, but that people are comfortable and so far removed from soldiers going door to door, that we don't worry about it happening again. It's easy to forget the adversarial nature of the relationship between the people and their government.

Again, I don't expect it to, but history repeats itself.
 
The government already waging ground war in inner cities. Pookie and Ray Ray got guns and that ain't stoping po po from killing people.
 
RIP sleazyy said:
People say you can't just give up on a solution to gun violence/regulation, but bring up fighting back against hostile tyrannous govt and it's "oh no that ain't gonna work". :lol:
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Right because the odds of us having to physically combat government tyrants is right up there with everyday gun violence :lol:
 
yeah, it's beyond dispute that the United States military and its trillions in hardware would easily crush an armed insurrection.

that does bring up the international community's response to a military turned against large factions of its own people.

not like it would matter, I guess.

I guess the whole thing rests on the pinky swear that the American government will never do us harm.

honestly I'm just thinking into my keyboard, it's a complicated issue.
 
SneakerProSr. said:
Why is he delusional the full might of the military hasn't wiped out Isis and I'd say the armed citizens of this country have better resources than they do.
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First, Its very profitable for the US to be engaged in these things. So we know why We’ve had a presence in the Middle East for 15 years.

And uh, U might wanna check the paper trail of where Isis, the taliban etc are getting their weapons. They aren’t exactly shooting civil war era muskets bro. They got rocket launchers, anti aircraft. Etc.

After spending 15 months in Afghanistan. Guys with guns just stand no chance against drones and planes. And the technological difference between the military weapons and you’re average joe with an AR with all the bells and whistles is astounding.
 
I definitely feel like any serious form of gun regulation legislation has to be accompanied by a sweeping bill aimed at demilitarizing law enforcement and having some sort of equivalent form of actual accountability for them

I feel like it's a tough sell selling folks on cutting back big time on their arms purchases when law enforcement have the firepower of modern infantry units and can kill people with impunity...
 
digitaljordan said:
I said it earlier, but why do we allow people to buy so much damn ammo and so easily? In the state of Oregon we can no longer buy sudafed because of all the meth and in Washington one needs to show ID and is only allowed a limited amount. YET I can swing by Walmart on my way home and buy all the ammo I want with cash and no one would know.
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They've made adjustments to laws regarding purchasing ammo, it's not perfect but better than before.
Idk if it was true but there's a story that a man bought a gun and some ammo instore and after purchasing it he sat down in the store, unboxed it, loaded it, and fired off some shots killing some folks. Supposedly that caused a law to be created that requires a person to purchase his weapon and ammo separate. Again not perfect but it was a step.
 
Any regulation that would come needs to state explicitly that it's not about removing weapons already in possession
 
getback said:
They don't utilize drone strikes in the middle east? The US military has never fired a missile? Very interesting.
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But they're on the ground too is what I'm saying. You ignoring stuff to fit your argument right now.

I don't even think we would stand a chance against the military but you talking like they'd just straight carpet bomb suburban neighborhoods and urban areas. You know how big the US is? :lol:
 
rolaholic said:
I definitely feel like any serious form of gun regulation legislation has to be accompanied by a sweeping bill aimed at demilitarizing law enforcement and having some sort of equivalent form of actual accountability for them

I feel like it's a tough sell selling folks on cutting back big time on their arms purchases when law enforcement have the firepower of modern infantry units and can kill people with impunity...
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Has to?

Those fools could do what they want.

Are we expecting and/or demanding FAIRNESS from THIS nation?

Why?
 
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