Shooting Reported at Las Vegas Casino Hotel

[RustyShackleford]

I love the assumption that it will be all citizens vs. the Government. Then ISIS is used as an example of how well they can hold out

Ever think that many if not most citizens will not support domestic guerilla fighters especially if the war is over guns.

And how will you get these fortified urban and suburban locations if people don't give them to guerillas, lemme guess, by force?

Oh the fight against tyranny!

I understand the historical argument for the having the right to bear arms. But in a modern sense it become a more ridiculous talking point the more you think about it.

Some dudes I know don't want to learn about politics, public policy and civics, yet they feel a military state is right around the corner.

 

[daruma]

Sorry if posted . There’s also a pic of dude with his head partially blown off. Won’t post that for obvious reasons but it’s on social media

how is his foot under the bipod in the second picture if he offed himself?

 

[kicks2024]

Sorry if posted . There’s also a pic of dude with his head partially blown off. Won’t post that for obvious reasons but it’s on social media

Someone posted a pic of the guy in the replies ....BRUH!!!

 

[freeze]

omg. I wasnt ready. thank you for posting though. thats really ****in sad.

 

[iamdef]

WOW

 

[Jimmy Two Times]

The government turning on it's own people would never happen. U.S Soldiers wouldn't fight against their own country.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Why is it far fetched? There still has to be people to operate the weapons. The power has and always will be with the people. (Whatever the outcome would be there's no way im bowing down when it comes to protecting my family.)
On a more direct note, if the government were to turn against the people how many people would we really be looking at versus those who would resist?
And if the government were to bring out means of massive destruction what would be the point in killing all the people you were hoping to oppress?

Where did I suggest bowing down?

I simply said us vs them, we don't stand a chance. I am sure you understand how and why. We can agree to disagree here.

You feel we stand a chance.

Cool

 

[C.Magneto]

It's far fetched because of training and experience.
I don't expect Jimmy who has 3k Youtube plays on his AR-15 review to be an equal to Martin who has combat and arms training

Also factor in the intimidation factor of war itself. Don't think most regular people are ready for seeing the man next to them get splashed around them

Who is Martin and where did he get his combat arms training? How many Martins are there out there of exceptional combat training that would be down to ride for the cause?

As someone whose served in the military, most of the people in there are just trying to get a free education and make a livelihood for themselves. Furthermore, a large percentage of the military serves in a support capacity with little to no combat experience.

As someone who served in special ops and worked intimately with special ops from all the other branches, it seemed most of them were fighting for what they believed to be the protection of their country and the people in it. I can't see a large majority of them slaying those same people they laid their life on the line for. (That's not to say people can't and haven't been swayed to turn on the people)

So where would be pulling these Combat Geniuses from? And that's not say they don't exist as these tragedies clearly indicate they do, but to just put your means of protection with out any critical thought doesn't make sense to me.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

possibility of 2 shooters?!?!?!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-03/was-there-second-shooter-vegas

Possibilities are endless when they are allowed to tell the stories

 

[monstar]

where do i find the reddit page about this?

i am also interested in this

this thread has turned into the politics thread of people making this strictly about legislation and half *** ideas around why things are ok now or why things cant change, but as you read further you realize very few understand civics and how the government works to begin with smh Civics needs to make its way back to the classroom

 

[kicks2024]

Google.. reddit vegas etc

Easy to find

 

[monstar]

Possibilities are endless when they are allowed to tell the stories

the biggest issues with this accusation is I have yet to see a broken window on the 4th floor and nobody has posted video of the shots from the 32nd floor and 4th floor at the same time where muzzle fire is visible

 

[iamdef]

Who is Martin and where did he get his combat arms training? How many Martins are there out there of exceptional combat training that would be down to ride for the cause?

As someone whose served in the military, most of the people in there are just trying to get a free education and make a livelihood for themselves. Furthermore, a large percentage of the military serves in a support capacity with little to no combat experience.

As someone who served in special ops and worked intimately with special ops from all the other branches, it seemed most of them were fighting for what they believed to be the protection of their country and the people in it. I can't see a large majority of them slaying those same people they laid their life on the line for. (That's not to say people can't and haven't been swayed to turn on the people)

So where would be pulling these Combat Geniuses from? And that's not say they don't exist as these tragedies clearly indicate they do, but to just put your means of protection with out any critical thought doesn't make sense to me.

Martin would be a member of the military forces that is combat ready.

Of course the level of "ready" is not going to be constant across the board for either side but I'd have to assume that the majority of the armed forces are trained decently while the majority of the public would be self taught.

May be I'm over simplifying it but I liken it to comparing somebody who picked up playing a sport compared to somebody who trains people in the sport.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

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i am also interested in this

this thread has turned into the politics thread of people making this strictly about legislation and half *** ideas around why things are ok now or why things cant change, but as you read further you realize very few understand civics and how the government works to begin with smh Civics needs to make its way back to the classroom

And you have people that have never shot a gun or purchased one in their lives trying to explain why people don't need one.

 

[tomdiginson]

whoa

I saw this interview live Sunday night. They tried to discredit her and she said no, it looks as if there were two shooters because there shots being fired from multiple directions and they immediately told her no it was one and then cut the interview.

 

[blackfrankwhite]

i am also interested in this

this thread has turned into the politics thread of people making this strictly about legislation and half *** ideas around why things are ok now or why things cant change, but as you read further you realize very few understand civics and how the government works to begin with smh Civics needs to make its way back to the classroom

You've read 60 pages worth of posts to know who understands Civics and Constitutional Law?

Impressive.

 

[va757va]

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[iamdef]

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And you have people that have never shot a gun or purchased one in their lives trying to explain why people don't need one.

It's like I get it, but the connection you tryna make is weak

 

[cosmiccoffee9]

I saw this interview live Sunday night. They tried to discredit her and she said no, it looks as if there were two shooters because there shots being fired from multiple directions and they immediately told her no it was one and then cut the interview.

I caught that one too, I chalked it up to a "10 witnesses, 11 stories" thing but hell, you never know.

 

[deleted]

Really wish you pro-gun folks would stop translating "increased measures to possibly prevent mass murder" to "total abolition of gun ownership"

 

[DCAllAfrican]

I saw this interview live Sunday night. They tried to discredit her and she said no, it looks as if there were two shooters because there shots being fired from multiple directions and they immediately told her no it was one and then cut the interview.

So that makes me wonder how much "in the know" are news reporters?

 

[freeze]

dammit reddit. I'm seeing hella people cracking jokes in the comments. ****. I try and give that site a chance for more than the marketplace and to stream ppv's and every time

theyre just 4chan dweebs with a different color scheme.

 

[a55a5in11]

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And you have people that have never shot a gun or purchased one in their lives trying to explain why people don't need one.

I don't get this argument. As somebody who has shot multiple types of guns, I don't see why somebody would need anything more than a handgun and a hunting rifle

 

[blackfrankwhite]

Really wish you pro-gun folks would stop translating "increased measures to possibly prevent mass murder" to "total abolition of gun ownership"

Some people's opinions are black and white in a world of grey. They are incapable of seeing any middle ground, which is terrifying considering that's where realistic soulutions are.

So that makes me wonder how much "in the know" are news reporters?

News outlets are rarely in the know in the days following an event like this. They're all just rushing to be the first to report something, whether it is verified or not.

 

[C.Magneto]

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I am with you 100 my man, in no way was i trying to play down the importance of the support units. One couldn't exist with out the other, i think we both know that.

What i was saying was that most of the people in the military aren't the highly trained combat vets the majority makes them out to be. If were keepimg it 100, You're average trigger happy red neck is probably more combat ready then the average person in the military when it comes to fire arms.

If you're speaking on a oppressive government, there has to be a population to fulfill the enforcement role. I don't know where those numbers would come from to the extent it would be possible subdue a nation of 300,000,000 plus. Hence, i dont think it's just "they" would completely annihilate the people and it would be foolish to unconsciously surrender a means of protection for such a scenario.