Shooting Reported at Las Vegas Casino Hotel

[dwalk31]

Tough marijuana laws have not reduced the use or accessibility of the drug. People who murder do not care about gun laws. You cant legislate terrorism away. People who are determined to kill a lot of people at once will do so. Sad reality, someone plowed a car into a crowd, "car control" doesn't prevent that.

 

[sfc415]

Let's be honest, if new research comes back with recommendation that gun regulation will lower death of all kind, dudes will ignore it.

I can already spell the goal post move to "Welp, maybe we need to look into profiling mass shooter better".

I mean c'mon.....

I mentioned this in another thread, but look at the demographics of the top 10-15 states on this list. They'll keep bringing up Chicago and villainizing/blaming black people and Mexicans though

 

[MVP]

Tough marijuana laws have not reduced the use or accessibility of the drug. People who murder do not care about gun laws. You cant legislate terrorism away. People who are determined to kill a lot of people at once will do so. Sad reality, someone plowed a car into a crowd, "car control" doesn't prevent that.

SMH WOW.
This is straight off of Faux News. That crazy lady even made the car control analogy a few hours ago.

 

[bossdonvah]

Why do so many people assume anyone who wants to illegally obtain a gun can ...especially suburban white people ... the same people who have a hard time getting bud which easier to get than guns are plugged in enough to be copping illegal firearms ? Let alone have the balls to actually meet up ? And most people can’t even operate a smart phone but there gonna be able to navigate the deep web ? rightttt

 

[MVP]

Why do so many people assume anyone who wants to illegally obtain a gun can ...especially suburban white people ... the same people who have a hard time getting bud which easier to get than guns are plugged in enough to be copping illegal firearms ? Let alone have the balls to actually meet up ? And most people can’t even operate a smart phone but there gonna be able to navigate the deep web ? rightttt

Another NRA talking point.

 

[dwalk31]

Why do so many people assume anyone who wants to illegally obtain a gun can ...especially suburban white people ... the same people who have a hard time getting bud which easier to get than guns are plugged in enough to be copping illegal firearms ? Let alone have the balls to actually meet up ? And most people can’t even operate a smart phone but there gonna be able to navigate the deep web ? rightttt

You obviously have no idea how easy it is to get an illegal gun. This isn't television. You don't have to go to a dark meeting with armed men and body guards in a bulletproof SUV. They legit sell guns on letgo,offerup, and craigslist.

 

[guccjermaine2]

In Georgia especially in Kennesaw it's against the law if you don't own a gun. Crime has decreased in that city since the law passed.

 

[getback]

Tough marijuana laws have not reduced the use or accessibility of the drug. People who murder do not care about gun laws. You cant legislate terrorism away. People who are determined to kill a lot of people at once will do so. Sad reality, someone plowed a car into a crowd, "car control" doesn't prevent that.

The gun control talk is about gun violence in general, not necessarily ONLY mass shootings. You don't think tougher gun legislation would reduce gun violence at all?

 

[iamdef]

Tough marijuana laws have not reduced the use or accessibility of the drug. People who murder do not care about gun laws. You cant legislate terrorism away. People who are determined to kill a lot of people at once will do so. Sad reality, someone plowed a car into a crowd, "car control" doesn't prevent that.

Yea but roads and speed limits do prevent a lot of people from driving all over the place.

Laws have a purpose to define order and are not made with what law breakers are gonna follow in mind.

 

[bossdonvah]

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[MVP]

What's funny is that there actually is more 'car control' than gun control, you have to register a car get licensed or made sure you qualify to operate a vehicle. And it's purpose is not to be an agent of destruction. Crazy.

As for marajuana laws being tough dude must not have been paying attention the last 4 years. Over half the country is using it medically now and more and more states recreationally.

 

[dwalk31]

The gun control talk is about gun violence in general, not necessarily ONLY mass shootings. You don't think tougher gun legislation would reduce gun violence at all?

I don't. There are already tough laws in place against shooting/murder.... But it doesn't prevent people from shooting/killing people.

 

[RustyShackleford]

How much of this is suicide related? I know Alaska's at the top because their #1 suicide method is gun, and it makes them highest on the gun death list by percentage.

I believe it includes it, but the same trend has been found for homicides

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vo.../3/9444417/gun-violence-united-states-america

Also, if suicides are correlated in the same way, it strengthens not weakens the case for gun control. So less homicides and suicides sounds great to me.

 

[dwalk31]

What's funny is that there actually is more 'car control' than gun control, you have to register a car get licensed or made sure you qualify to operate a vehicle. And it's purpose is not to be an agent of destruction. Crazy.

Right... because no one drives a vehicle that isn't registered. Nobody drinks and drives. Everyone wears a seatbelt. AND no one drives unless they have car insurance. Uninsured Motorist coverage is really pointless because EVERYONE obeys the law.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

The gun control talk is about gun violence in general, not necessarily ONLY mass shootings. You don't think tougher gun legislation would reduce gun violence at all?

When most gun deaths come from suicides, no.

When most mass shootings come legal owners who planned their attacks months in advance, no.

 

[Magic33]

What's funny is that there actually is more 'car control' than gun control, you have to register a car get licensed or made sure you qualify to operate a vehicle. And it's purpose is not to be an agent of destruction. Crazy.

More than 30,000 people are killed in car accidents a year

Nothing crazy about that.

 

[RustyShackleford]

More than 30,000 people are killed in car accidents a year

Nothing crazy about that.

And we as a society actively pass law and regulations in an attempt to reduce those numbers.

How about America treats owning a gun like own a car, then we can entertain this comparison.

 

[MVP]

More than 30,000 people are killed in car accidents a year

Nothing crazy about that.

And from 1999-2005 there were an average of over 33k gun related deaths. So that means what?

 

[iamdef]

More than 30,000 people are killed in car accidents a year

Nothing crazy about that.

But how many would have been killed if there were less laws?



How long are y'all gonna poke holes and offer little to no suggestions? Y'all say you're not saying you don't want to do nothing but gahdamn the only thing y'all have said is,"Nothing will prevent this from happening again. Nope, that won't work either.. These laws don't stop this issue so...."

 

[dwalk31]

Yea but roads and speed limits do prevent a lot of people from driving all over the place.

Laws have a purpose to define order and are not made with what law breakers are gonna follow in mind.

If the laws are not made with what law breakers are going to follow in mind, then what is the point of bringing up the debate every time a law breaker breaks the law? There are already laws against murder. They did zero to keep dude from murdering. Whatever penalty congress could create for illegal gun ownership will be far less than the penalty for murder. This really isn't complicated.

 

[julesbeats]

Why do so many people assume anyone who wants to illegally obtain a gun can ...especially suburban white people ... the same people who have a hard time getting bud which easier to get than guns are plugged in enough to be copping illegal firearms ? Let alone have the balls to actually meet up ? And most people can’t even operate a smart phone but there gonna be able to navigate the deep web ? rightttt

 

[hipstermike]

 

[MVP]

If the laws are not made with what law breakers are going to follow in mind, then what is the point of bringing up the debate every time a law breaker breaks the law? There are already laws against murder. They did zero to keep dude from murdering. Whatever penalty congress could create for illegal gun ownership will be far less than the penalty for murder. This really isn't complicated.

There are harsh penalties for murder though. If there weren't or laxed ones akin to gun control do you think there would be less or more violent crime or murderers?

 

[dwalk31]

But how many would have been killed if there were less laws?



How long are y'all gonna poke holes and offer little to no suggestions? Y'all say you're not saying you don't want to do nothing but gahdamn the only thing y'all have said is,"Nothing will prevent this from happening again. Nope, that won't work either.. These laws don't stop this issue so...."

This is the unfortunate reality. I understand why people want to try to find a solution, but some things are beyond legislation.

 

[Magic33]

And we as a society actively pass law and regulations in an attempt to reduce those numbers.

How about America treats owning a gun like own a car, then we can entertain this comparison.

So is vehicle registration about them taxing you or a restriction?